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Author Topic: Agentgates´s TPU setup with strange wavehill hump  (Read 341297 times)

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Re: Agentgates´s TPU setup with strange wavehill hump
« Reply #630 on: January 15, 2010, 08:16:42 AM »
Hi Tony,
I don´t want to have an argument with you.
But you promised something else.

You said you have a working device and would send videos and
pictures first.
We even send you the encoding parameters for the video
a few pages ago and you said, you are just converting the video.

So where is it ?

Why don´t you just post a picture with your old setup
where one can see the lightbulb shining ?

Nobody asked you to use harmful glue and the coils
could have been fixed probably differently than using this nasty
glue.
ALso I am sorry, that you had this "glue gas breath accident" and needed to go
to the hospital.

Only from the scopeshots from Marek we see now, that there is
a mystical hump wavehill, but not from your posted scopeshots Tony.

So why don´t you just upload your old pictures from your big IGBT
setup first, so that people can really see, what you had ?
Did you destroy that setup and took no pictures of it ?

I am in no way want to sound negatively here and I like your hard work,
but I just wanted to get the facts straight, that you firstly promised
to post some proof pictures or a video.

Okay, just say so , that we should still wait a few days for it and it will be okay
with me.
Maybe in the meantime Marek will have bigger lights running
with less input power.

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Re: Agentgates´s TPU setup with strange wavehill hump
« Reply #631 on: January 15, 2010, 09:33:52 AM »
Agentgates, Magluvin 0 7 here, I apologize for any negativity I have lent to this thread. My reasons were based basically on things like Stefan said. He nor I have any beef with you. Whether you agree or not it is just how it was first presented and how it progressed, from the start we assumed from early posts that things were going one way, but those assumptions based on what was posted, were soon reversed.
Dont take this as me getting down on you. I would love to see more also and still hoping. I know you have shown many pics so far, but as a whole, we cannot make anything of it as in exactly how do we produce the given effect, of which you seem to be able to get at will or in good chance. We have nothing but questions that need answers. Some say they have working setups of varying degree, but they seem to be laying down beyond saying so.  So the rest of us are like  What? Say what?  um what....? But I thought...  etc.  So of course you will be bombarded, from easy questions to difficult to stomach. 

I get that you want to be the first, as you stated, and thats what we thought you already accomplished. And thats fine but you should have laid that on the line to Stefan and told him you needed a week or 2 to show a presentable setup. But he nor anyone from the start knew that this was how it was going to go. And it is good enough reason for some to become skeptical, even though they normally are not except toward crude frauds. Maybe this was your plan all along but we all here have been a bit diffused as this progressed and most, now including me have to submit and just wait till your ready and thats all we can do. You have the stage.

And thats cool dude. Why didnt ya just say so in the first place. I wasnt at all negative from the front. But things brought up red flags and I had to question those. Much of my skepticism was based on things that were not consistent with other things. Some of it was good argument. But really now that I see how this is suppose to go down, Im cool. Dont take this as me being a dick. Im just leveling with you. ;]

So just say hey Stefen, I made some decisions as this went along and we will get it all straight very soon and sorry for the delay. But say it like you talking to the man who will hand you a fat check when your done.
You have stated your position and you say you want the world to have it and all you want is the prize. But you just have not made up your mind on that yet and thats understandable to the nth degree. This kind of thing has a powerful pull on the mind, its a tug of war between the ears.  :-\
Stefan is a cool dude and very intelligent from what I read, and you too. But if the check man asks about some pics or a vid or some particular info, why blow him off?  Reply to the check man, before anyone else. lol  Sorry Stefan for pinning you as the check man, and I mean no offense, just a point. Heck you just may get real deal moola to further your skilled new knowledge beyond OU prize, unless that doesnt appeal to you.
You proceed how you will, it is said that this is fine. And be well. And from here on out its bubble gum and scotch tape for you young man!  =]

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Re: Agentgates´s TPU setup with strange wavehill hump
« Reply #632 on: January 15, 2010, 09:49:07 AM »
@ Tony,
I just want to let you know that you should hang in there, despite all the impatience people around.
I agree with Stefan that you could not meet expectations but I also know as professional researcher that the law of Murphy can be in the way.

So, please continue, but pay attention to your health first.
If you need support let me (us) know.
There are still a few loyal forum members that have patience.

If you think you made fundamental mistakes, then please mention them and be open about them.

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Re: Agentgates´s TPU setup with strange wavehill hump
« Reply #633 on: January 15, 2010, 10:31:47 AM »
Guys,

Is there any replicator living near Tony? Perhaps 2 or 3 people working at the same desk could improve things faster and would calm down the (naysayers) light sceptics by having 2 witnesses around.
On the other hand this story is reminding me of the early Mylow-saga. (No evidence so far, but much emotion and theories). I understand Stefan that he does not wish to commit the same mistake as Sterling did with Mylow.

@agentgates
Keep up the good work, most of us have still faith and hope. But please also share some photos and videos at any stage you are now. Thank you.  ::)

Viktor
« Last Edit: January 15, 2010, 01:04:15 PM by victore »

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Re: Agentgates´s TPU setup with strange wavehill hump
« Reply #634 on: January 15, 2010, 11:33:12 AM »
Vic
I hope you 2 are not calling me a nay sayer. Throughout, show me my nay.
I apologized for my pursuing posts, and my above post lays it on the line. Tony is right, he doesnt work for me or anybody. Stefan seems like a fair guy, ask him what he thought was suppose to be and read what he thinks now. The same as me about some of it. But I also am saying there, hey we coool  we coool. ok
I gave explicit reasons for my behavior, and some can say I was ignorant or even negligent. Hey even though I think things got a lil twisted along the way, I know tony doesnt owe anyone anything. And Im not asking for an apology from him or anything. Im not really interested in further answers to my bold questions, because no answer is the answer for some things. Its just his way for now for whatever reasons. Coool, no prob.

Hey I feel for the guy, as I would feel for anyone that was hurt or ill. And really, he had himself checked in, he is ok now and working on the thing. Heck, take the weekend off dude.
Look things were stated and they never really came to fruition yet. Now that I know how things are, thats the way they are.  cooool.  Some others can say the same, they were told something but then that thing, just isnt, as of yet. But we were left a bit high n dry with near expectation. Some dont see it that way, BUT some do. Nothing a lil open explaining couldnt handle.

My post above was a, Hey ton, sorry bout everything and this is why I behaved as I did. Hope you and Stefan can be cool and you and I also. Hope ya feel better and crack a lil joke.

My post above was not asking why about anything, just appologizing, explaining, facts, reality and settled.

And this post is to explain things for you, not as a nay for tony and his idea.

He has clearly stated that he wants now to figure this thing out write all about it and get it down to the T. And I would feel the same way. Along with peoples help here, he can hopefully get it done easier. But if what I think he is saying about all that stuff he wants to do, is all before he really opens it up to YOU all, you might be sitting around for quite a bit. And thats cool, except I cant tell for sure if what I think, is the way I just said yet, and its puzzling, why, well can anyone here tell me why?  But coool. =]   
I think he has something, others have said the have seen something but then disappear. I dunno, pretty much, I dunno.
But I do hope he is well as I do any of you or any one.  The storyline is another thing.

No Nay

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Re: Agentgates´s TPU setup with strange wavehill hump
« Reply #635 on: January 15, 2010, 12:15:16 PM »
And now for the business at hand.

Tonyton  The resistor on the primary, someone had stated earlier that it seems funny that a 30 ohm resistor, or which ever ohm, on the primary. As to say, well, if the coil is even 10 ohm, then the actual volts across the coil should only be about a 3rd of PS voltage, or something to that nature.
But it had me thinkin about Tesla, the dc impulse that created the radiant pulse, Tesla felt it was due to the inrush of dc into a resistance, and then as the current started to distribute in the lines, that the radiance would end. Do you think that is what is happening here? Some here have questioned the resistor in different ways, but is that the intent for the resistor to be a key ingredient for this process to work as you say?
Now if you are smoking transistors, is it at the time that the effect is working that the transistor is melting or is it because the fet cant handle the ohm load of the coil. I know you said that filling the holes and such, but what connects me to what you are explaining is, and I didnt quite realize it before, I would have to say that a coil of whatever size or ohm with a 20 to 30 ohm resistor in series, if that can load a fet to melt a lead then something really wacked is happening.  So I would look into what resistor value per a particular coil, as we have so many variations.
Can I have a poll on primary ohms here? Just for variety stats.
Your fet just may be getting a dc impulse rejection from the primary resistor. Most might think that so what, the current is just being resisted, but Tesla says differently about this situation. Now I havnt gotten into Tesla enough to see if he had experimented in higher resistance values in his impulse dc experiments, but maybe you are. ;]   Because I messed with my coil in different ways that you suggest except I didnt use a resistor just direct connect.
I used a large coil, about 300 turns of 16 ga  about .8 ohms  .9 on a good day, lol, and a reed with a magnet to make an osc. running on 5v aa. That osc can produce over 300v bemf, without a load. Chopper. So the bemf stored through a bridge to a cap. Now I use a 12v relay core, aired out, and put that as a load on the charge cap. Depending on the cap, the osc freq and pulse width, I can vary that load voltage. The freq of the osc and pulse width are adjusted buy the proximity of the osc reed to the osc coil core and how far the osc reed  activator magnet is away from the reed. I get 10v on the bemf charge cap with the 12v relay coil as a continuous load. So I add a 150 ohm res to the 12v coil to decrease that load and the bemf charge cap voltage is just over 20v. This is how I am achieving your prescribed voltages. So a 220ohm in series with the 12v coil leaves me with close to 30v on my charge cap. Now for the goods. Tesla style,  I insert another Big reed in the 12v relay coil core and use that to pulse your transformer. + from the charge cap goes to the primary of the transformer, and the second reed in the 12v coil connects the other transformer primary lead to - of the charge cap.  When the charge cap fills, the 12v coil wont fire the reed till 30v is achieved. When the reed closes, dumps 30v to the primary, the cap voltage drops causing the reed to open and the process starts all over. It works like a Tesla spark gap, but at low voltage.
I know its crude but hey, Im a cave man baby.  =] 

But that resistor needs looking into also. I havnt tried the res yet. Just thought about it really, I didnt think of its importance till a bit ago, and remembering we are not working with the norm here.

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« Last Edit: January 15, 2010, 01:10:33 PM by Magluvin »

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Re: Agentgates´s TPU setup with strange wavehill hump
« Reply #636 on: January 15, 2010, 12:49:49 PM »
@Magluvin

I agree i should have written 'light sceptics' instead of naysayers.
I just had to shout out loud, why i agree with Stefan.
Here is the end of my non-productive outburst :) PC heroes like me are not moving the world forward.

Viktor

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Re: Agentgates´s TPU setup with strange wavehill hump
« Reply #637 on: January 15, 2010, 01:18:17 PM »
Its coool vic. I was a bit over anxious and its over and we just have to wait or try. simple.

Mags

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Re: Agentgates´s TPU setup with strange wavehill hump
« Reply #638 on: January 15, 2010, 01:38:18 PM »
I'm going to build this. I've got ideas for both of the problems.

I don't need angles any more obviously, but I'm a bit confused about the desired # of windings

I built a rudimentary model with two crown washers that I had.  When I rotated the rings, they did make the "hourglass" shape.  Looking at this shape gave me an interesting idea.  Towards the waist of the hourglass, the windings are extremely close together.  They're also very long circumferentially, while being very narrow axially (in respect to the axis of the bore of the tube).  It'll be interesting to test how this increasing coil density affects the secondary.

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Re: Agentgates´s TPU setup with strange wavehill hump
« Reply #639 on: January 15, 2010, 01:46:51 PM »
To this clown , shut up.

Who ask you , did you even tried it , this is a new type of transformer , and this is exciting by it self , now what can it do , magic or not , i am still learning and having fun ..

People that are pain in the A, are not here for the right reason , they have hidden motive , they really want to make money off your back , they even tread you like an employee.


@agentgates , take your time be well first , then we will be there for you .

I am not making a replication yet , but a am learning about the coils configuration and i must say it doesn't work like the usual transformer .

I am having fun , thanks Agent.

Well said Mk1.  :)

There are two types of people in the world.  Those who divide people into two types, and those who do not.   ;)

Seriously though.  Your comment shows the heart of successful experimentation.

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Re: Agentgates´s TPU setup with strange wavehill hump
« Reply #640 on: January 15, 2010, 01:55:56 PM »
Hey Tal

But thats just it, coil density is not what we want, according to Tony.  But a min and max has not been established yet. So dense it up, and loosen the goosen. See what haps.  The general way to go about it is to build as close to prescribed till you at least get the prescribed effect so that you will know it and can vary from there to see what is best. You could get lucky and melt your tv in the other room, but you may be spending an enormous amount of time before getting an effect by going oblong, while everyone else is lighting 50watt light bulbs with a couple of 9v bats. And I say a couple to raise the volts.

Mags



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Re: Agentgates´s TPU setup with strange wavehill hump
« Reply #641 on: January 15, 2010, 02:18:24 PM »
Hey Tal

But thats just it, coil density is not what we want, according to Tony.  But a min and A has not been established yet. So dense it up, and loosen the goosen. See what haps.  The general way to go about it is to build as close to prescribed till you at least get the prescribed effect so that you will know it and can vary from there to see what is best. You could get lucky and melt your tv in the other room, but you may be spending an enormous amount of time before getting an effect by going oblong, while everyone else is lighting 50watt light bulbs with a couple of 9v bats. And I say a couple to raise the volts.

Mags

That's the good thing about the convertible model.  With it, one can rotate the rings to achieve something very close to the prescribed model, while still having the flexibility to dynamically test angle and increasing/decreasing density.  All of it is speculation anyway, until I can get a different P/S.  I'll give it a shot and see what happens.  If nothing else, I'll post some pretty pictures.   ;)

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Re: Agentgates´s TPU setup with strange wavehill hump
« Reply #642 on: January 15, 2010, 02:21:40 PM »
Alright Gentleman. I go back to my cave and finish what I was doing and when I'm finished I'll disclose my work in a scientific journal and I will start it with lightbulb-junkies videos.

Stefan, no need the prize. I am tired. And you can handle this statement as official. For moral reasons you don't deserve this device. I will hand it to somebody else.

I hope Marek will have more patience to beat the wolfs around his workbench, entertain the children house and focus to his work in the same time with higher production capability that I have. I am sure he can but I don't have this multitasking capability. I wish him a good luck and safety as if I leave the wolfs will put the crosshair on HIM.

@All
About the device. Whatever I told was clear and helpful. I did not make any mistake in the theories behind of it and never intended to mislead anybody or dance in spotlight. If Stefan will find the email I sent to him I clearly stated that I had NO intention earlier to open a topic with my discoveries.

I wish you all a good luck for the competition on making shiny OU light bulb. That is more important here than the way you achieve it. Don't worry about me, when I am feeling satisfied with my performance and comfortably but precisely have documented everything I will find serious funding source.

When you guys will hold the final device in your hand in a few years time, remember this post.

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Re: Agentgates´s TPU setup with strange wavehill hump
« Reply #643 on: January 15, 2010, 02:52:14 PM »
Oh BooHoo. Wait Agentgates please don't go. I'm sorry I'm the only one who had any sense to see through your pathetic charade. Look I put my purple nikes on, see, just like teslaset, and pauldude and ramset and MK1 who wanna believe you so bad that they have lost any critical thinking capabilities. Please I want you to mind punk me so hard like the others that my a$$hole hurts. All you guys should be ashamed of yourselves, your all very smart know doubt but can't see a fraud for what it is. Agentgates I think you should have ended this a little more dramatically you know, like the men in black came and got you. Reminds me of the story of Plato's cave, where someone comes in to tell everyone the shadows on the wall are not the real reality and just turn around and go outside to see the real people, yet they refuse..

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Re: Agentgates´s TPU setup with strange wavehill hump
« Reply #644 on: January 15, 2010, 02:59:14 PM »
@ agentgates,

 :'(  your decision makes me sad, but I can understand that you feel insulted.
Please do take some time off, and then, maybe, consider keeping us informed through another forum where there is no Prize attachment, nor any "contracts".

The last week and a half has been a revelation for me. You were a source of inspiration.

Sincere regards,

Altair