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CompuTutor

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Re: Agentgates´s TPU setup with strange wavehill hump
« Reply #600 on: January 14, 2010, 09:31:52 PM »
I don't follow.

Has a divine aspect ratio been discovered
I didn't catch reading all this?

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Re: Agentgates´s TPU setup with strange wavehill hump
« Reply #601 on: January 14, 2010, 09:32:31 PM »
Sorry that doesn't work , the angle change also require wire length change.

I believe that's why he said "sprung center" so that the distance between the rings would be adjusted as opposed to the wire length.

edit: I'm sorry. You're right the secondary coils would need to change length. I'll go back to silent observing!

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Re: Agentgates´s TPU setup with strange wavehill hump
« Reply #602 on: January 14, 2010, 09:34:46 PM »
Correct bullsnbears1

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Re: Agentgates´s TPU setup with strange wavehill hump
« Reply #603 on: January 14, 2010, 10:51:18 PM »
Quote from: CompuTutor link=topic=8586.msg222514#msg222514 A=1263499936

Referring to the most recent picture of a coil above,
in this case, FatBird's Post#587 PVC coupler coil form.

If two two rings were notched,
instead of a single tube.

They could be spaced with a sprung center,
then wound straight initially.



After a loose collector winding around the outside,
you could just turn only one of the rings.

That would give you the ability to test all angles.

The angle would go from zero, to well past 45 degrees easily.

And of course, both sides of zero degress
just in case that reveals more anomalies.

They could be spaced with a sprung center,
then wound straight initially.



After a loose collector winding around the outside,
you could just turn only one of the rings.

That would give you the ability to test all angles.

The angle would go from zero, to well past 45 degrees easily.

And of course, both sides of zero degress
just in case that reveals more anomalies.

I had to think about this for a moment.  ???  Now I understand what you're saying :)  and the idea is a great test coil for varying primary angle.  Naturally the "tube" length would change as you rotate one ring to adjust the crossover angle, but the diameter and the primary wire length would remain the same.  In essence, as you looked down the bore of the tube, the inner primary windings would look like an iris aperature as you counter-rotated the rings.  You could also change it from a lefthand to a righthand tube instantly.  Perfect!

It couldn't actually be sprung though, else the angle would be 90°, as the spring came to full extension.

I'm wondering how the angle of the secondary in relation to the angle of the parallelogram produced by the primaries would affect the individual fields' density, and their electron incidence on the secondary.  Right now everything is circumferential on the secondary, without respect to its crossover position to the parallelogram.  Definately a lot of dynamics to consider...  What about other than round cross-sectional extrusions for the primary wire?  Would a sharp edge intensify the spin?  Printed primary tube?

-T  :)

edited -  The more that I think about this setup, the more I realize that the inner primary winding would be further from the outer winding as you counter rotated the rings, with the largest separation being halfway up the height of the tube... the center of the iris as viewed down the tube bore.

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Re: Agentgates´s TPU setup with strange wavehill hump
« Reply #604 on: January 14, 2010, 11:03:05 PM »
For the people with the coils and scopes. Could you do a side by side experiment with the same power and loads but using conventional coils. By winding 12 conventional windings per primary on a same sized tube and the same amount of secondary windings used with the special tony coil. This would be a good reference.

@tony do I understand it correctly that the acceleration phenomena happens in the primaries and that the secondary is just picking up the changing magnetic field according to Faraday's equation?

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Re: Agentgates´s TPU setup with strange wavehill hump
« Reply #605 on: January 14, 2010, 11:03:31 PM »
I believe that's why he said "sprung center" so that the distance between the rings would be adjusted as opposed to the wire length.

edit: I'm sorry. You're right the secondary coils would need to change length. I'll go back to silent observing!

I had a similar idea some days ago:

On a very side note (from a PC hero without any testing skills):
I am sure some of you thought already about changing the 45 degrees later on.
I was thinking of a variable angle toroid, which would have a plastic ring on top and also at the bottom (for holding the primaries), and these two could be twisted independently from eachother, connected with a plastic rod in the middle of the toroid. Of course, the upper ring would go a bit up/down, in order not to damage the primary winding.
In other words, the primaries would be sitting on these twistable rings, while the secondary would be still on a PVC/toalet paper  ;) .
Thus, you could tune the angle while the device is turned on.


What i don't understand is why would you need to modify the collector coil? Can't it remain untouched, while the inner primary coil is being adjusted independently?

Viktor

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Re: Agentgates´s TPU setup with strange wavehill hump
« Reply #606 on: January 14, 2010, 11:15:45 PM »
Victor,  I thought about that too.  With the "convertible" model, the secondary diameter would need to change too.  Unfortunately as the notched rings are rotated, there is no solid wall to support the outer primary windings.  Winding the primaries on a fixed tube produces a curved outer primary winding path and a straight inner winding path.  The difference in distance between the inner and outer primary winding elements is shortest at the tube ends, and longest half-way up (or down) the tube height.  It isn't constant.  With the "convertible" notched-ring model proposed above, the distance between the inner and outer elements of the primary windings would be constant.  As you counter-rotate the notched rings, it would produce a primary coil with a waist, as viewed from the outside, and an iris, as viewed down the bore.

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Re: Agentgates´s TPU setup with strange wavehill hump
« Reply #607 on: January 14, 2010, 11:18:46 PM »
Little bulb connected to the collector coil. Shines bright (P~2.5W). Collector made with AWG20 insulated wire. Rectifying diode and capacitor 180u connected as well. Scope shot shows voltage on the bulb and capacitor. Voltage is DC 9.7V "with some hash on it"

@Lindsay
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I do believe in TPU working, you misunderstood me. Please do not write like that any more without knowing what I think

Hi beboszek,
please can you let us know, where your ground line is on the scope ?
Is it in the center ?
So did you connect the scopeheads inverted so this voltage
goes negative ?

Otherwise well done, but what was your input power ?

As you have a dual trace scope, please also show your
driver signal at the input coil in the second beam.

This negative hump wavehill is very interesting and we
have to find out, how this is generated.
Many thanks for your efforts.

Regards, Stefan.

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Re: Agentgates´s TPU setup with strange wavehill hump
« Reply #608 on: January 14, 2010, 11:34:44 PM »
Can someone please tell me where the latest greatest coil layout is located in this thread? The one that definitively shows the correct layout/ angle/ # of legs, etc. Thanks

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Re: Agentgates´s TPU setup with strange wavehill hump
« Reply #609 on: January 14, 2010, 11:49:45 PM »

I have no Idea except that particles are being moved along wire as I have not seen before.

It is as perplexing as it is is  exciting


I agree, it is quite perplexing. We might be talking about new particles. Truthfully, it would not surprise me at all to find that what we have called "electricity", comprised more particles than just merely electrons.



the field is above and below the unit but not much to the side.

It has a polarity and creates dc pulse  in  wire imersed in it


That IS the boggle isn't it?

If it were purely magnetic, we would expect alternating current pulses with each commensurate field collapse. At an even 45 degrees winding in relation to a horizontal coil, we should see little or no magnetic re-action from the horizontal coil. The magnetic field is almost uncoupled from the horizontal coil.

Something most have ignored throughout our entire trek on this project is that these collectors, or "secondaries".... should not be putting out jack squat. The magnetic field generated by a vertical coil should be completely uncoupled from a horizontal coil placed within it's influence. That is the technique we use to PREVENT inductors from reacting to each other in close proximity!


The loads seems to have little or no effect on the primary accelerator circuit.


As far as the load not affecting the primary effect.... that is the only reason I am getting excited again.... Mangneto(field) and Electro (field) friction.... Consider Newton.

An object in motion tends to stay in motion, and conversely an object at rest tends to stay at rest. This is as true with fields and packets as it is with particles (which are just packets themselves).

Yet, what causes entropy in a field system? Why does any motional field degrade over time?

Friction...... Forces of drag which it encounters from anything placed in the field with which it interacts kinetically.

For every action there is an equal and opposite re-action. Press on an electron or other particle to push it into motion, and it pushes back, just as a 'for instance'.

For the load not to affect the driving force, friction has to be removed. That is why I am excited.

An imbalance or charge slope has been created somewhere, somehow, which allows something to press on something else greater than the inherent back-pressure.

It should not be moving, yet it is.



The primary switch on time time must be fast.

It is not frequency dependant but frequency has an effect on how may pulses are there.

If this device can be syncronised with itself it seems many things might be possible.

The primary switch time is the problem with semiconductors. Examine a tube. Current is applied, and a beam of electrons blasts through the vacuum an strikes a plate, and is absorbed extremely quickly into the system. As a switch, it can be compared to a solenoid operated gate valve.

A semiconductor however.... You apply electricity, and it builds to saturation then conducts fully. However the conduction is not instantaneous, as it actually starts conducting slight amounts of electricity long BEFORE the hypothetical valve is fully open. It can be compared to a hand operated ball valve in this instance.

I have no choice but disagree on the next statement. Please bear with me on this for a moment. The unit IS HIGHLY frequency dependent, and probably critically so. I think the EFFECT ITSELF is not critically frequency dependent, it is geometrically dependent. The EFFICIENCY is critically frequency dependent component.

The specific frequency would then be determined solely upon the circumference of the affected collector. The field spin up would not have to be dependent upon frequency, but the greatest potential slope for a given section of collector would most definitely be node dependent, and therefore frequency specific.

Many things may well be possible, which we have not even dreamed of yet with this concept.




placing an alluminium can in the centre kills the effect


Which brings us back to two things. Field type and friction. Think about these two things, and ask yourself why. Several possible answers should jump out at you almost immediately.



Tonys explanation is still the best but it is ony for the purpose of visualization.

Untill i can see an electron or whatever they are ,I remain ignorant with the possibility that a better understanding on my part will develop.


I agree, agentgates has done an admirable job.

We are all guessing as far as the nature of the lowly electron, as well as other 'supposed' particles. Don't feel alone in this. :)



Class has begun , now go and get some wire and a tube and join in with no expectation other than you will enjoy the process.
Wether this is ou or not is not important to me at this point


I intend to build, and have the equiptment....... So long as my mother-in-law didn't destroy it.... You know what sucks?

Coming back from a week long vacation, to find your parent-in-laws moved into your den, which is also your lab.....

and see a pile of sensitive expensive equipment haphazardly thrown in a pile because 'it was in the way'.......... My B&K oscilloscope for instance had a hand axe, a pile of tools, and a function generator just thrown on top of it.

I have been too depressed to even check them out yet. If they ARE broken, I can do nothing about it. Even if not, can I trust their output as still calibrated?

This sucks. Possibly four grand down the drain because of impatience.

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Re: Agentgates´s TPU setup with strange wavehill hump
« Reply #610 on: January 14, 2010, 11:56:29 PM »
@bullsnbears
Just use the first one ..you will wind more Im sure .

@all

The problem is that those with the effect in front of them will have a different discussion than those with no means or inclination to do it.

I would like to suggest a thread that's read only for those with no physical coil.
Not a closed thread,  just so the different discussions wont get mixed up with who,s got steam and who has not...yet.

When somebody say test this or that , I wonder why they dont just make this thing and see for themselves.

If it was a difficult build I would understand it better and as we progress it may become more difficult but I doubt it.


The optimum will be only found by experimenting Physically.

Im am sure that my wind is not by any means optimum.

Thin wire for  the primary IS important (at this stage)

Thanks fatbird i will do your twin wrap



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Re: Agentgates´s TPU setup with strange wavehill hump
« Reply #611 on: January 15, 2010, 12:03:07 AM »
quick question: when you say pulse at 50% duty cycle you mean to make a square wave from 0 volts to 30 volts (let's say) and 50% of the time, goes to 0 volts and repeat over again?

You are NOT using AC so that it would go from -30 volts to +30 volts, correct?

Correct. No AC involved at all. :)

@zerotensor

broli has perfectly described the problem. There are several milestones to add to the first post. Especially to the last section where it would be more than important to extend the list of safe experiments. We don't want anybody to put his lab on fire or worse.


@Stefan

I never gave you any reason to presume the bad willing. You never said that there is a deadline as there are wolfs hiding on this website in every bushes hunting for their favourite stakes: proof/prestige. You also never mentioned that there are OU-fanatics here and the only thing can cause them orgasm is light bulb on OU. If you mention this I never open this topic (especially not here) until I am 100% satisfied with my device, theories behind it, safe operation instructions, complete building tutorials, etc and is ready for mass-production.

Believe it or not the latter is the most critical and almost the hardest job as if the device is not bullet-proof when reaches the market and anybody gets only a hairline bend all the hard work was a waste of time as the BS machine mass-media will vomit the garbage that this device can "kill people". (Naturally they will not address to the multiple times higher danger of gas connected into homes and liquid explosives in cars tank with whole families sitting on it...)

Sure, when the time has arrived and I feel satisfied with it in operation, safety and look I will be more than happy to present a complete lecture with the devices, guides to build and other things to make sure nobody's going to get killed by OU-junkie overexcitement and skipping important steps.

Another thing I want to address to. When I sent you the first email with my simple question about the OU-prize/TPU together whether it would be possible my primary agenda was to find the right person. Somebody who seems a real fighter on the field and would well deserve to get this technology first hand to release. You are the founder of the OU-prize and as far as I know it was intended to protect those inventors who want to release their knowledge and technologies to the public. I said to myself this person would well deserve it to receive this device in his hand that he can carry proudly. Thing is that Stefan since I know you (a couple of days) you keep pushing your subliminal under my nose with the other OU-junkies with the "wanna see it".

I thought you are a serious and mature person who believes that the main purpose is perfection, clean air, end of wars and energy dependency. As the days passing I am starting to realize that I was wrong.

Before you or anybody else would overrun me again. I opened this topic because I know that this device works and it was the main point. I held it in my hand and doesn't make a difference in my eye whether others believe it or not. I do, because I can still think clearly that what I experienced was not OU-junkies dream. Sure it was melting the plastic, massive heatsinks, 500W-rated IGBT and needed 2 TPU stages boosted each others with caps to see light, all this from a tiny PSU. One TPU stage to 500V and the next stage to 800V to reach 190V with palm of LCs and overheating wherever you looked. All this at such a performance that is well over the limits of the used PSU.

I was not intended to go for a presentation with that pile of junk, instead in a few days time I cleaned the way of electrons to let them to go towards the load, instead of the well oversized switching ss devices and massive heatsink. Another milestone done. Decrease the consumption drammatically. Done. Next is to create more spikes. Done...

Two more things to do:
- merge the spikes safely (I already know that how to do it unsafely and keep trying to warn everybody if they reach that stage it is critical)
- voltage sense fb to keep the output constant, safe and clean without workaround like LCs and other decoration tools because it is possible, since it is a swiss watch and not a copper mining competition...

You see, in a few days time my Ambitious and Helpful Team and I have put more onto the desk on this website than anybody from the TPU Circus Team over the last 4 years - and I wont mention the understanding of theories behind the device that more and more people confirms.

Now make a comparison Stefan between my and your performance/attitude in the last couple of days.

When I saw your new masterpiece comment today I grabbed your coil and tossed it in the far corner after the ambulance took me home from the detox unit in the morning cause I was happy and eager to make it for you even by sucking the stinking ammonia of the glue for 2 days that holds it together.

I would have a respectful request to you Stefan. Sit back and read love stories or walk in the nature instead of doing things behind me out of agreement that takes away my remaining pleasure, like disabling my access to keep everybody up-to-date or just tossing your daily depression to our noses.
« Last Edit: January 15, 2010, 12:32:50 AM by agentgates »

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Re: Agentgates´s TPU setup with strange wavehill hump
« Reply #612 on: January 15, 2010, 12:32:50 AM »
I saw a simple approach to a needed variable.

I threw that idea in in case it had validity.

I was way wrong and wish to retract.



When the idea of two rings is employed,
and you turn them from natural 90 degrees,
It starts to turn "Hourglass" in the center of the side.

This occurs even though the span of wire
from the the bottom to top ring
maintains a straight path.

The variable concept I proposed,
sadly introduces a second variable too.

And it of course causes the outer secondary
to change the distance relationship with the primary.



.....It couldn't actually be sprung though, else the angle would be 90°, as the spring came to full extension.


Thank you for catching my omission,
I forgot to state the obvious need
of a retention mechanism of some sort.

There would need to be a fixation mechanism
to overcome the "Sprung" setup...



Well, I'd rather be able to toss an occasional idea in,
and have it be proven wrong by almost anyone.

Than hesitate, and have it be a missed opportunity.

So I thank you for pointing the error out,
instead of flaming me like I have seen
in other threads I read today.  :)



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Re: Agentgates´s TPU setup with strange wavehill hump
« Reply #613 on: January 15, 2010, 12:34:26 AM »
Tony I wouldn't be too frustrated about it. Just remember the prime reason you want this technology out, some posts here are like hills you have to overcome to reach the top of the mountain. They might drag you down but they make you stronger and more confident each time. When you feel you are about to fall your companions behind you will help you continue.

Also don't forget about your health. Sleep long and plenty, eat regularly. Consider coming only once a day online at a fixed time set, after you are done for the day for example, to perhaps brief us on your progress and address people on their builds.
 

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Re: Agentgates´s TPU setup with strange wavehill hump
« Reply #614 on: January 15, 2010, 12:41:04 AM »
Any body who has bothered to actually do anything with your guidance has nothing but apreciation for what you are doing.

Expectaions are the problem ..try not to have any


Thank you Tony.

Its time for your nature walk..come back soon