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teslaalset

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Re: Agentgates´s TPU setup with strange wavehill hump
« Reply #480 on: January 12, 2010, 11:29:34 PM »
@teslaalset
Yes, you are doing well. So not to afraid of, what you see is normal and more than perfect if you don't see oscillation and negative pulses after your pulse. If you are at that stage then you are doing very well.

BTW frequency, yes the pulse length will NOT change if you increase the input clock. That is perfect. Now you need to turn on the 2 other coils to get even more pulses and get them closer to each other.

Thanks for the encouragements.
I am still suffering from 'old school' syndromes  ;)
Basic thoughts are still that if you load a primary coil with steady current and switch the current off real quick the electrons still keep flowing and build up a large voltage spike. I think that is what I see happening still.
Because of the very steep spike, it has very high frequency spectrum that is very easily transferred to a secondary winding.
Just my thoughts.

What are the dimensions of your new coil by the way?

Magluvin

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Re: Agentgates´s TPU setup with strange wavehill hump
« Reply #481 on: January 12, 2010, 11:30:20 PM »
Dont get me wrong keys, heck as far as wee know, that will be the way we do it in the end.. lol
I wonder if this effect can be implied upon the primary itself by crossing its own path at different angles. But we just got to get to know the effect in order to make those decisions properly.
I hear the concept, I see examples of coils that should work,etc. ,  but I dont KNOW anything for sure.
He has laid it out finally that we will always be a step back.  I would love to take the time and bang out some twizzlers. But without the secret recipe, its not going to taste the same, and for some here not the same at all. =[

Dont take this badly....
And Im sure Stefans meaning of opening the thread wasnt so we should be led down this road. I hear ya tony about that part of your deal. But man, what are we not atune to? Are you sliding the secondary down the primary to get a good spot. What?  Throw us some bones here. So far testers are not seeing dc. Do you have times that you dont get dc on the sec. ? And what does it take to correct that.  You seem to be confident at producing it. They should not have been encouraged well knowing they will fail. Why doesnt Stefans coil work? Actually why was it known not to work and sent?  "Ask bold questions"  And these questions are fair according to what is presented.  If keys got his up and running you would still be the man, and up until now, it would be keys working model that would make you the man.
If we were all going at this time, then this thread would really rock! We would be discussing serious theory and new ways of making it better. But we sit with our broken, tasteless twizzlers.

You might think the pressure is all on you. Some stay home from work for this stuff. Because it is important.

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Re: Agentgates´s TPU setup with strange wavehill hump
« Reply #482 on: January 12, 2010, 11:32:04 PM »
No see i actually have success as there are more and more people that are starting to question this entire TPU thing and i hope i can convince them that this device is going nowhere!, so they can use their time and money on things that deserve it!! :)

It is very generous from you spending so much time from your life on others "benefit". BTW, are you writing from an oil rig? 8)

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Re: Agentgates´s TPU setup with strange wavehill hump
« Reply #483 on: January 12, 2010, 11:36:08 PM »
The thing that is important is that I was not able to see this this effect clearly untill i switched ranges on my cro.

That is still the case and different istruments display this differently.

This experience surely is important for every body and I dont have the answer

I thought" no go" for a while as well but knew that Tony was surely getting something.

@ Tony do you have any thing to add on this ?..like try and older cro.
The folks here may be suffering the same as I was just to see the effect.






I would suggest that everybody try this.

Follow Tony,s advice over and over

If you are sure everything is correct, including the nature walk.


use a single turn of thin copper pipe, or thick wire. Hold it   above the unit with cro leads connected  to just below trigger level, in one shot if you like but it makes no difference.

now lower the ring over the running unit and see if it triggers..ok nothing? turn the ring over !


I needed 22 volts to see the effect but 30 was better


I hope that this at least will show you that there is something that the cro is picking up but possibly not displaying as we would expect.


@ marco, and others of doubt

Just wind one of these , one more ..it will be so easy for you ,it does not take very long.

It does not cost much. and so what if you dont get any results. have a go



remember marko rodin?
We need your help here . Whatever ......it is at least very, very  interesting.

@all
 please work hard to get to see this effect IT IS THERE !

Tony ,Thanks again. It is a fine thing you are showing and I admire the way you are handling it.

Lindsay

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Re: Agentgates´s TPU setup with strange wavehill hump
« Reply #484 on: January 12, 2010, 11:37:28 PM »
What are the dimensions of your new coil by the way?

Only the diameter bigger 127mm to make larger gaps on Stefan's device as it is from acrylic and perhaps he wants to take it to presentaions or other things and show people there are coils and no flat batteries around... :D

BTW the secondary is also different but ignore it, you have nothing to do with that yet. I use 3 secondary. 2x200V for inverter and another one for ~30V to comply his request on self-driving.

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Re: Agentgates´s TPU setup with strange wavehill hump
« Reply #485 on: January 12, 2010, 11:46:22 PM »
@Lindsay

Thank you for your positive comment as always. It also helps me to work faster as I cna get lazy very quickly.. :D
And thanks for the useful advices to others and helping them.

Unfortunatelly I don't have cro (died a few months ago hand in hand with my PG due to another TPU experiment :D ).

BTW, what is your experience with the Northern/Southern hemisphere thing. Do the winding and polarity make a difference?

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Re: Agentgates´s TPU setup with strange wavehill hump
« Reply #486 on: January 12, 2010, 11:52:51 PM »
Tony, Thank you for telling us about how you had one of your TPUs Melt Down.

It reminded me of how Bob Boyce's TPU caused a Lightning Bolt to hit him inside his garage when he got his 3 FREQUENCIES TOO CLOSE.


http://waterfuel.100free.com/wf_boyce.html


Serious warning needs to be given here. The combination of sharp pulsing and accurately wound toroid core composed of an iron powder matrix, draws in so much extra power from the environment that it is essential that it is only used with the electrolyser cell which is capable of soaking up excess energy surges. The extra energy drawn in is not always constant and surges can occur which can generate currents of 10,000 Amps. It should be understood that this electrical current which we can measure is only the 'losses' part of the real power surge which is in a form which we can't measure as we have no instruments which can measure it directly. Consequently, the actual environmental power surge is far, far in excess of this 10,000 Amps. It is very important then, that the electronics board and toroidal transformer are NOT connected to other equipment 'to see what will happen'. Even more important is not to arrange a pulsed, rotating magnetic field in the toroid by sequential pulsing of coils spaced around the toroid. These arrangements can generate power surges so great that the excess power not soaked up by the circuit (especially after it's instantaneous burn-out) is liable to form the ground-leader of a lightning strike.

Bob experimented with this and was hit by a DIRECT LIGHTNING STRIKE. He was very lucky to survive being hit and he now works in a worshop which has metal walls ans roof, and lightning grounding at each corner of the building, plus a separate ground for the equipment inside the building. A device like this is not a toy, and it demonstrates the incredible level of free-energy which can be tapped by quite simple devices if you know what you are doing.




teslaalset

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Re: Agentgates´s TPU setup with strange wavehill hump
« Reply #487 on: January 12, 2010, 11:56:18 PM »
Only the diameter bigger 127mm to make larger gaps on Stefan's device as it is from acrylic and perhaps he wants to take it to presentaions or other things and show people there are coils and no flat batteries around... :D

BTW the secondary is also different but ignore it, you have nothing to do with that yet. I use 3 secondary. 2x200V for inverter and another one for ~30V to comply his request on self-driving.

What's the height of your new coil?

teslaalset

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Re: Agentgates´s TPU setup with strange wavehill hump
« Reply #488 on: January 13, 2010, 12:01:17 AM »
The thing that is important is that I was not able to see this this effect clearly untill i switched ranges on my cro.

That is still the case and different istruments display this differently.

This experience surely is important for every body and I dont have the answer

I thought" no go" for a while as well but knew that Tony was surely getting something.

@ Tony do you have any thing to add on this ?..like try and older cro.
The folks here may be suffering the same as I was just to see the effect.

I would suggest that everybody try this.

Follow Tony,s advice over and over

If you are sure everything is correct, including the nature walk.


use a single turn of thin copper pipe, or thick wire. Hold it   above the unit with cro leads connected  to just below trigger level, in one shot if you like but it makes no difference.

now lower the ring over the running unit and see if it triggers..ok nothing? turn the ring over !


I needed 22 volts to see the effect but 30 was better


I hope that this at least will show you that there is something that the cro is picking up but possibly not displaying as we would expect.


@ marco, and others of doubt

Just wind one of these , one more ..it will be so easy for you ,it does not take very long.

It does not cost much. and so what if you dont get any results. have a go



remember marko rodin?
We need your help here . Whatever ......it is at least very, very  interesting.

@all
 please work hard to get to see this effect IT IS THERE !

Tony ,Thanks again. It is a fine thing you are showing and I admire the way you are handling it.

Lindsay

The spike is so nasty and small that the maximum bandwidth capabilities of oscilloscopes matters. Any device capable of max 20 Mhz is no good.

The reason why higher voltages work better for you is that the current in the primary is larger, which will give a larger spike while switching off.
(according to my insights, but I looks like Tony has additional effects too).

update
The quality of your scope probes matters too, of course  ;)

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Re: Agentgates´s TPU setup with strange wavehill hump
« Reply #489 on: January 13, 2010, 12:01:49 AM »
@agentgates...i know what you mean about being careful putting on the secondary, very difficult little process,spaces were a bit unequal as well on this one, so i'll just use as a museum piece for now
 I will paint the outside with glue first before attempting that again, so, on to build another one of yours tonight ...btw, has anyone had experience using wirewrap aka kynar? i can get to 33 awg and still have strength but unsure of shielding effect.

@mag...i hear ya...all credit goes to agentgates...and broli with insightful diagrams i've been wanting to wind

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Re: Agentgates´s TPU setup with strange wavehill hump
« Reply #490 on: January 13, 2010, 12:05:52 AM »
FatBird,
 Tony has said this from the very first[the 5 year old "Killed" in Chicago]Thus the very light gauge wire he insists on.

BTW Very different than Bobs design.


Chet
PS has anyone tried this??
http://www.associatedbag.com/product.asp?cn=ABC&c1=BGB&p1=BGB
instead of waiting for glue to dry
 apply double sided tape to tube for 1st layer , install light gauge wire than cover with above to keep everything straight.
Then put on second layer of heavy wire.

« Last Edit: January 13, 2010, 12:36:03 AM by ramset »

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Re: Agentgates´s TPU setup with strange wavehill hump
« Reply #491 on: January 13, 2010, 12:15:23 AM »
What's the height of your new coil?

That was calculated by my formula I sent earlier at every 45 degrees coils:
l = (d x 3.14) / 6

"l" is the length you need to cut to get the 45 degrees. :)

UPDATE

Oh, pardon, to be complete: the length is ~67mm. :)

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Re: Agentgates´s TPU setup with strange wavehill hump
« Reply #492 on: January 13, 2010, 12:19:41 AM »
Hmmm Key,  by looking at that Phat =] secondary, made me think should the start of the secondary be, lets say we go clockwise from the start, above or below the secondary end. Just the from an angle standpoint and secondary proximity to itself, might affect the spins.  Like do we start at the bottom and end at the top? Or the other way. Just a thing to try. It is an open option.

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Re: Agentgates´s TPU setup with strange wavehill hump
« Reply #493 on: January 13, 2010, 12:21:13 AM »
I started remaking the 3d renditions with the correct angles, I will probably finish it up tomorrow.

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Re: Agentgates´s TPU setup with strange wavehill hump
« Reply #494 on: January 13, 2010, 12:22:13 AM »
@ramset

Thanks, yes I did try that earlier but not easy with a thick and hard copper. I think I will try the hot glue thing next time. This one is very annoying and stink. I have to keep window open in this cold winter... :D