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Author Topic: Agentgates´s TPU setup with strange wavehill hump  (Read 341275 times)

Magluvin

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Re: Agentgates´s TPU setup with strange wavehill hump
« Reply #300 on: January 10, 2010, 05:16:57 PM »
Hey, thinking about particle accelerators. Na, couldnt be.  Could it?


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Re: Agentgates´s TPU setup with strange wavehill hump
« Reply #301 on: January 10, 2010, 05:19:03 PM »
But there is the possibility that this thread could be put into another thread box, if the claim isnt shown soon.

1. There is no deadline in my schedule. If is in yours will still not make any difference on whether I disclose it or not. Not this is the only website where I can get this opportunity.

2. Stefan was the one who requested to post the application and the blueprints, etc. in the meantime. I was not intended first as I was far from the goal (overheating, 2 TPUs, junk design, etc).

3. Everybody has the right to their own belief and will not change my ambition or purpose.

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Re: Agentgates´s TPU setup with strange wavehill hump
« Reply #302 on: January 10, 2010, 05:34:15 PM »
If the primary creates a high speed rotating magnetic field the field will continue rotation between pulses and generate a DC output in the secondary. Is there a spin-up and spin-down effect in this device?


I have stayed out of it to give a chance for tony to finalize, but the same question comes to my mind. How can a dc line on the scope remain on the sec. if the primary is pulsed? That would assume that something is still happening in the primary or within the coil as a whole, during the off cycles. To have a solid dc line along with lil hump pulses on the sec. would suggest that the coil is acting as a capacitor of sorts. And with so few windings, I find it hard to comprehend.
Still awaiting a video

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Re: Agentgates´s TPU setup with strange wavehill hump
« Reply #303 on: January 10, 2010, 05:42:11 PM »
If the primary creates a high speed rotating magnetic field the field will continue rotation between pulses and generate a DC output in the secondary. Is there a spin-up and spin-down effect in this device?

Yes. There is two way to do it. You give it a single big spike and many tiny ones to keep it rotating. The other solution is simpler: start slapping it up with higher voltage and when you reached the demanded output voltage just keep it up with the tiny slaps. Only a few mA you need to keep it spinning, not more.

Magluvin

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Re: Agentgates´s TPU setup with strange wavehill hump
« Reply #304 on: January 10, 2010, 05:46:21 PM »
I understand your position here. Sorry if it sounds bad.   It just sets us on edge as there was a point , what 3 days ago that some editing was being done but no vid in site. i voted to keep you up till the weekend before moving.
But a 2 min vid would be like a double dose of Tylenol er if they like Valium. It wont hurt your goal by showing even initial findings on a coil that you discovered this on.
I want you to get that prize ton. Everyone will be glad to see you receive it. Its just when things happen the way this is going, and many here are used to it, many times, they know the questions to ask and they know that if the claim is made, then That claim is all that need be presented. I dont want to associate you with Mylow, I dont know if you know of him.
If refining is necessary for a beyond the shadow of a doubt, then so beit. 
Good luck
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Re: Agentgates´s TPU setup with strange wavehill hump
« Reply #305 on: January 10, 2010, 06:01:02 PM »
For those who are in trouble with the thicker secondary winding:

http://www.samsonium.org/sites/default/files/P1100283.JPG

I use fast bonding epoxy for the edge around to make a support for the next turns, thus they will not run off. Don't use superglue on very hard wire or if you have acrylic as ketone has.

mflynn44

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Re: Agentgates´s TPU setup with strange wavehill hump
« Reply #306 on: January 10, 2010, 06:05:09 PM »
The secondary acts as if it were a capacitor but the actual mechanism is the rotating field  generating a continuous DC output which looks like capacitor action. Does this initial starting pulse complicate our electronic driving circuit? Also, for the most efficient device, Mannix will need to wind his coils in the reverse direction.



Yes. There is two way to do it. You give it a single big spike and many A ones to keep it rotating. The other solution is simpler: start slapping it up with higher voltage and when you reached the demanded output voltage just keep it up with the tiny slaps. Only a few mA you need to keep it spinning, not more.

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Re: Agentgates´s TPU setup with strange wavehill hump
« Reply #307 on: January 10, 2010, 06:13:34 PM »
The secondary acts as if it were a capacitor but the actual mechanism is the rotating field  generating a continuous DC output which looks like capacitor action.

Yes, it is like a virtual capacitor.

Does this initial starting pulse complicate our electronic driving circuit?

No, those are 2 options. The second is easier to keep the circuitry simple. You only need variable input voltage but if you set it to a fix voltage will also work. But perhaps you will need to wait a couple of seconds while it spins up. (The JET-turbine effect that SM mentioned) Actually you will be able to vary the output with the frequency alteration but that will be not that efficient. (for now it is enough, you need the variable input only if you want the maximum from your device :) )

Also, for the most efficient device, Mannix will need to wind his coils in the reverse direction.

I don't know yet, we will find out. If his device won't work with the same winding on the southern hemisphere then it is a possibility.

teslaalset

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Re: Agentgates´s TPU setup with strange wavehill hump
« Reply #308 on: January 10, 2010, 06:29:29 PM »
@ Tony,
I am about to wind my first coil after finishing my drive electronics and Arduino software.

When 45 degrees is used, the wires at the inner side of the tube have quite some distance from the tube itself.
Is that OK or should I stick the wires to the inner tube with tape or glue?

Magluvin

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Re: Agentgates´s TPU setup with strange wavehill hump
« Reply #309 on: January 10, 2010, 06:37:28 PM »
So are you saying that these spinning fields have a flywheel effect, as in inertial effects that are not restricted due to proper spacing? So in a standard solenoid coil, the proximity and direction of the wraps impedes the flywheel effect? Well if I remember correctly, Enik from the Land Of The Lost said the same thing!  just kidding =]  We need a laugh.
Well I have seen many coils lately that have some pacing between wires and maybe some crossings, depending on the direction the spiral happens.
Is it this flywheel effect what we have not noticed before? I remember many old photos of single conductor experiments, maybe that is where the real discoveries lie. Maybe these ideas were shut down back then.
Well that poses many ways of taking advantage of the effect. Like the eorbo and now the solid state.
It would be interesting to find the maximum diameter from the wire axis these fields have negligible effect. This would give us optimal spacing. One thing that still remains unknown is how the proximity of the inner primary affects the secondary or does it need be close like the outer.  Consider the effect of only the outer primary on the secondary , if the outer primary is made to be outside the secondary, the dc should be one direction, the polarity on the secondary would change if the secondary were wound outside. So the inner primary can be in close proximity, as long as it is on the proper side of the secondary in order to complement the outer primary objective. This all sounds so lost in space, but it makes a whole bunch of sense. And its easy to follow.
An investigation should be had on the primaries effects on itself as to how those lil flywheels are affecting the input.
Welp, I hope this is how the world spins. And by yer copper while you can.

Mags

teslaalset

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Re: Agentgates´s TPU setup with strange wavehill hump
« Reply #310 on: January 10, 2010, 06:49:16 PM »
@ Mags,
I think what we try to do here is to replicate a physical effect that is not well understood yet.
If others can confirm this 'weird' behaviour, we might be on to something and many, many variations on the basic concept are needed to build up new insights and understanding.

Magluvin

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Re: Agentgates´s TPU setup with strange wavehill hump
« Reply #311 on: January 10, 2010, 07:06:10 PM »
 I agree Tes

Was just thinking of Tesla saying, "electrical inertia"  And that idea, spinning disks having inertial spin that continue current flow beyond the cut off of the original source, makes the bifi pancake coil come to life if made with a flat strip of copper, wound with proper spacing, can store a lot of energy. 


Anyways, I got my popcorn ready to pop.  =]

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Re: Agentgates´s TPU setup with strange wavehill hump
« Reply #312 on: January 10, 2010, 08:07:27 PM »
Tony maybe to help explain it more visual I made a small presentation so people don't get too confused. It can be found on this page:

http://ziosproject.com/NJ/AAcoilPres/index.htm

But I recommend to download this .rar file for off-line viewing as well in case it goes down:

http://ziosproject.com/NJ/AAcoilPres/AAcoilPres.rar

Winding that many wire is bound to make one slip up especially if the tube is transparent and renders your vision fuzzy.

Edit: Fixed rar link.
« Last Edit: January 10, 2010, 09:44:52 PM by broli »

gyulasun

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Re: Agentgates´s TPU setup with strange wavehill hump
« Reply #313 on: January 10, 2010, 09:19:33 PM »
Hi Broli,

Thanks for the nice animations! very good.

I cannot download the .rar file however, I get this error:

Not Found

The requested URL /NJ/AAcoilPres.rar was not found on this server.

(I use Firefox and Win XP).

Thanks, Gyula

teslaalset

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Re: Agentgates´s TPU setup with strange wavehill hump
« Reply #314 on: January 10, 2010, 09:38:58 PM »
@  Broli
Awesome instruction!
One issue I encountered during my coil implementation:
If you use exactly 45 degrees, then after 4 time up-down winding you end up exactly at the beginning angle. This means if you want to continue, you have to make one winding at 55 degrees or 35, which disturbs the patron.

In the picture below I am trying to visualize this issue.
Each rectangle represents 10 degrees of the circle.
You can find 36 rectangles in total, representing on circumference of 360 degrees.
The black lines are according an angle of exact 45 degrees.
The red lines use a 50 degree angle.

The red lines will use same angle every time while the black line needs once a 360 degrees a different angle, which disturbs the symmetry of the coil.