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Author Topic: Agentgates´s TPU setup with strange wavehill hump  (Read 344108 times)

FatBird

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Re: Agentgates´s TPU setup with strange wavehill hump
« Reply #285 on: January 10, 2010, 02:14:45 PM »
Hey Lindsay,

Yeah, I too have wondered and wondered about how SM said they rotated the other way in the Southern Hemisphere.  You are the only person that has mentioned it.

So it seems to me that if we just Reversed the polarity going to the coils, and used the Polarity that gave the Highest Output to the Load.

What is your opinion?

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agentgates

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Re: Agentgates´s TPU setup with strange wavehill hump
« Reply #286 on: January 10, 2010, 02:19:25 PM »
Quote from: Mk1 on January 10, 2010, 10:45:15 AM
@all

I made one with a jt circuit 18 turns , with a secondary of 4 turns , i get 4.5 volt once rectified leds light on it , due to the design i made i get AC but if you really can get true DC from it i will.

Btw i used a 15/75 degree , 2n2222 transistor and 300 ohm pot , 1.5 v aa...

There is interesting stuff happening , i am surprised to even get anything from the secondary...

Mark

Hi Mark,

How big is the space you have between the turns? 10 or 20 degrees? Please note that if you don't finish the winding on the coil you will receive the incorrect signal I also posted above.

If you have 18 turnes, you need 20 degrees spaces, but you really have to struggle to make high curent spikes.

You get the AC beacuse the current is low.

My advise is to check the 45 degrees to the centreline, use 10 degrees between each turnes and make the 36 turnes complete. Afterwards lay the 2 more primary between the 10 degrees spaces. That is 3.33 degrees.

Use thin wire for primary, 0.38mm or 0.19mm. The thinner the better but also the more difficult to work with.

The secondary should be alright if the spaces are more than 2x of the diameter and the diameter is greater than the primary. I wouldn't go below 0.74mm (this is the lowest I tried so far, the thicker secondary performs better)
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agentgates

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Re: Agentgates´s TPU setup with strange wavehill hump
« Reply #287 on: January 10, 2010, 02:28:36 PM »
Quote from: Mannix on January 10, 2010, 01:23:59 PM
I wonder if being in the southern hemisphere I may  need to wind the primary in reverse direction, just something that Steven said once.

Yes, please do try it and let us know the deatils. And please don't destroy your other coil wound in the opposite direction as we can verify it later whether it's a problem.

Many thanks.
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Re: Agentgates´s TPU setup with strange wavehill hump
« Reply #288 on: January 10, 2010, 03:38:23 PM »
Quote from: agentgates on January 10, 2010, 12:43:17 PM
@Stefan

Do you want an inverter on it? As if you do please let me know it now and I'll wind the secondary for 2x200V on your coil.

Hi Tony,
what is your normal output voltage ?

Well, high voltages AC or DC for driving directly 230/240 Volts incandescent bulbs would be great.

Did you succeed to convert the video ?
I just see, that no new video is uploaded on your agentgates youtube account.

Regards, Stefan.
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Vortex1

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Re: Agentgates´s TPU setup with strange wavehill hump
« Reply #289 on: January 10, 2010, 03:52:28 PM »
Pardon my question but in photo 281 the area on the waveform under the zero line roughly equals the area above the zero line (the peak). This would imply an AC oscillation on the secondary, not DC. correct me if I'm wrong, but I have been often fooled by this.

Also photo 254 was earlier touted as being a correct response on the secondary and now is stated as incorrect.

If you believe your secondary is producing DC, you should be able to put a cap on it without any problems. Use an isolating diode if necessary, but shouldn't be required.

A diode and cap in the forward direction and diode and cap in the reverse direction on the secondary with small loads across the caps will quickly give an indication of DC balance or imbalance or whether your secondary is producing balanced AC.

Most handheld DMM's will read zero volts DC when connected to an AC waveform, but waveforms with HF components can trick the meter.

Just a suggestion as determining DC from an irregular waveform can be tricky.

Thanks for all your work.......V
« Last Edit: January 10, 2010, 04:12:37 PM by Vortex1 »
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Magluvin

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Re: Agentgates´s TPU setup with strange wavehill hump
« Reply #290 on: January 10, 2010, 04:12:10 PM »
I have stayed out of it to give a chance for tony to finalize, but the same question comes to my mind. How can a dc line on the scope remain on the sec. if the primary is pulsed? That would assume that something is still happening in the primary or within the coil as a whole, during the off cycles. To have a solid dc line along with lil hump pulses on the sec. would suggest that the coil is acting as a capacitor of sorts. And with so few windings, I find it hard to comprehend.
Still awaiting a video

Mags
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agentgates

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Re: Agentgates´s TPU setup with strange wavehill hump
« Reply #291 on: January 10, 2010, 04:14:33 PM »
Quote from: Vortex1 on January 10, 2010, 03:52:28 PM
Pardon my question but in photo 281 the area on the waveform under the zero line roughly equals the area above the zero line (the peak). This would imply an AC oscillation on the secondary, not DC. correct me if I'm wrong, but I have been often fooled by this.

Also photo 254 was earlier touted as being a correct response on the secondary and now is stated as incorrect.

If you believe your secondary is producing DC, you should be able to put a cap on it without any problems. Use an isolating diode if necessary, but shouldn't be required.

A diode and cap in the forward direction and diode and cap in the reverse direction on the secondary with small loads across the caps will quickly give an indication of DC balance or imbalance or whether your secondary is producing balanced AC.

Just a suggestion as determining DC from an irregular waveform can be tricky.

Thanks for all your work.......V

Ignore the negative range as the spikes will jump together when I increase the freq and voltage. The negative range is due to the very high voltage going in. (34V)

http://www.samsonium.org/sites/default/files/P1100282.JPG

This was never stated as correct:

http://www.samsonium.org/sites/default/files/P1060254.JPG

as that coil didn't make a full 36 turnes, only 12 or 24 with 10 degrees gaps. That is an incomplete circle and you'll need to struggle to clean it up with LC and much loss. I posted that to show it is incorrect. ou can still make OU with that but the performance will be high below the optimal.

If I did that then was not intentional (perhaps I got mixed up with the numbers) and please show me the comment thus I can correct it.
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Re: Agentgates´s TPU setup with strange wavehill hump
« Reply #292 on: January 10, 2010, 04:23:54 PM »
Quote from: Magluvin on January 10, 2010, 04:12:10 PM
To have a solid dc line along with lil hump pulses on the sec. would suggest that the coil is acting as a capacitor of sorts.

That is the point. The secondary behaves as a cap. Take a look at the previous photos with 12V ~0.2A going in. You don't need to go above ~20V with the voltage to get spikes without negative range. That negative range is due to the extrememly high input voltage (34V).

Presently I'm winding Stephans secondary so I decided to make another vid with that.
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Magluvin

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Re: Agentgates´s TPU setup with strange wavehill hump
« Reply #293 on: January 10, 2010, 04:26:49 PM »
The picture of the light bulb hooked up to the singe secondary winding, is the light bulb actually lighting or is that just the cam flash?

Mags
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FatBird

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Re: Agentgates´s TPU setup with strange wavehill hump
« Reply #294 on: January 10, 2010, 04:31:52 PM »
@ Magluvin

How can a dc line on the scope remain on the sec. if the primary is pulsed? That would assume that something is still happening in the primary or within the coil as a whole, during the off cycles. To have a solid dc line along with lil hump pulses on the sec. would suggest that the coil is acting as a capacitor of sorts. And with so few windings, I find it hard to comprehend.

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SM said in his videos that the Output from his TPUs was DC with AC Hash (pulses) riding on it.

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Magluvin

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Re: Agentgates´s TPU setup with strange wavehill hump
« Reply #295 on: January 10, 2010, 04:38:16 PM »
I would agree that the coil being made for Stefan should be a video in operation so he and we know that he is receiving a working model. It is the waiting for results of the claim that most, even Stefan, are becoming wary the longer things go on. I want to believe, but my enthusiasm has grown low.
I hope there is a vid soon.  If the pic of the light bulb hooked up were actually showing the filament hot, I would be convinced further, but we cannot tell if it is hot or not.
Mags
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Magluvin

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Re: Agentgates´s TPU setup with strange wavehill hump
« Reply #296 on: January 10, 2010, 04:44:18 PM »
I hear ya, about what SM said. But I find it hard to settle on that till I see it, and that would be great if it is the case. A suspended high current dc component on a single secondary turn in a transformer. Absolutely incredible.
But its hard to stay optimistic.

Mags
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Re: Agentgates´s TPU setup with strange wavehill hump
« Reply #297 on: January 10, 2010, 05:00:01 PM »
Important

A summary to those are not up-to-date:

1. This device is NOT a regular current driven transformer. It is a voltage driven particle accelerator where not the vacuum is the electron carrier medium but an electric conductor.

2. The secondary behaves literally as a cap. If you let it discharged you loose significant energy.

3. The bulb is not on. That is the flash light. (Sorry I've forgotten to address to it)

4. Yes, Stefans device will be wound to 2x200VDC that I will refine to get 230VAC when the inverter is done.

5. On the one turn secondary. Yes it is incredibe and I am wondering that nobody paid attention to these significant details over years when they were walking around the same tree. also the current doesn't rise/drop when you remove the bulb. so I presume that Stefans device will produce min 500W.
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Magluvin

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Re: Agentgates´s TPU setup with strange wavehill hump
« Reply #298 on: January 10, 2010, 05:01:27 PM »
Dont get me wrong here. I want this to work as many of you do.
But there is the possibility that this thread could be put into another thread box, if the claim isnt shown soon.
I get it that tony wants a perfect presentation, but the life of this thread will be determined by the criteria of Stefan. So toilet paper roll or plexi, the goal is to light that light bulb. Or show in time, input and output with scope shot on a known load. That is enough for anyone here without the tidy pretty.
Like I said, even just a nice pic of those things will help others get theirs up and running.
Heck, someone could get a pat on this by now, at least be pat pending by having it in the mail.

Mags
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Magluvin

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Re: Agentgates´s TPU setup with strange wavehill hump
« Reply #299 on: January 10, 2010, 05:14:12 PM »
Well when its all done and we have a bunch of replications, we can all have a Particle Acceleration party.  =]

It would make an excellent battery charger.

Mags
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