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Author Topic: Agentgates´s TPU setup with strange wavehill hump  (Read 272372 times)

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Re: Agentgates´s TPU setup with strange wavehill hump
« Reply #30 on: January 05, 2010, 09:42:34 PM »
No problem Tony, I was asking since you might have already done some of this. If not we can try it too. I will start when I get home, I am currently at work so not much I can do yet. :)

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Re: Agentgates´s TPU setup with strange wavehill hump
« Reply #31 on: January 05, 2010, 10:00:31 PM »
Can anyone post the circuit diagram if known?
Thanks

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Re: Agentgates´s TPU setup with strange wavehill hump
« Reply #32 on: January 05, 2010, 10:06:30 PM »

2. Where the hell the energy comes from?
There is no shortage.

Check out this awesome free ebook:
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Google for:
1. Hal Puthoff,
2. the 1957 Nobel Physics prize
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Re: Agentgates´s TPU setup with strange wavehill hump
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Re: Agentgates´s TPU setup with strange wavehill hump
« Reply #33 on: January 05, 2010, 10:09:45 PM »
There is no circuit just a coil configuration and how it is wound.

Input low voltage low amps (mA) he is using 31vdc @ .09A (90mA) and getting over 1KW out

Current issue is the BEMF (or ???) to the input drivers which causes failure due to over voltage/curent. Read the thread for more on this.

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Re: Agentgates´s TPU setup with strange wavehill hump
« Reply #34 on: January 05, 2010, 10:30:19 PM »
There is no circuit just a coil configuration and how it is wound.

Input low voltage low amps (mA) he is using 31vdc @ .09A (90mA) and getting over 1KW out

Current issue is the BEMF (or ???) to the input drivers which causes failure due to over voltage/curent. Read the thread for more on this.

From what I understand there is a circuit that consists of more than just a set of coils.
This is what I derive from the earlier descriptions:
- A pulse generator drives a fet driver
- The fet driver drives three FETs that are connected in parallel
- The three drains are connected to one end of the primary winding
- The power source is connected to the other end of the primary winding
- A secundary winding is wrapped around the primary winding and holds a load.

I wonder whether there is any flyback diode used to protect the FET(s) against the large voltage occurring at the drains right after switching off the primary coil....

The description of the output power is still vague.
It's not said that the output is > 1KW. It says 'it moves > 1KW'. Probably to the switching fet(s), instead of the output.
I'll have some more patience to see what exactly the input / output configuration is.
« Last Edit: January 05, 2010, 11:12:25 PM by teslaalset »

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Re: Agentgates´s TPU setup with strange wavehill hump
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Re: Agentgates´s TPU setup with strange wavehill hump
« Reply #35 on: January 05, 2010, 10:46:25 PM »
still cant find any pictures can somebody help

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Re: Agentgates´s TPU setup with strange wavehill hump
« Reply #36 on: January 05, 2010, 10:52:27 PM »
in his last long post you'll see that the start of most lines are links, just not highlighted.

tak

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Re: Agentgates´s TPU setup with strange wavehill hump
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Re: Agentgates´s TPU setup with strange wavehill hump
« Reply #38 on: January 06, 2010, 12:34:33 AM »
Hi agentgates and All,
I moved this topic now into this
Devices applied for the OU prize
area.

I confirm, that agentgates
has contacted me by email and has applied for the prize.

I hope he will first post videos and picture with driving
a lamp load from a small battery, so we see the OU power
output.

Many thanks agentgates.
I hope it will change the world.

Regards, Stefan.

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Re: Agentgates´s TPU setup with strange wavehill hump
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Re: Agentgates´s TPU setup with strange wavehill hump
« Reply #39 on: January 06, 2010, 12:37:01 AM »

Quote:
" I wonder whether there is any flyback diode used to protect the FET(s) against the large voltage occurring at the drains right after switching off the primary coil...."


Would the stress be relieved by attaching a load of some type to the point where the extra current migrates ?

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Re: Agentgates´s TPU setup with strange wavehill hump
« Reply #40 on: January 06, 2010, 12:52:44 AM »
Seems like user Bolt agrees

Quote aug 31 09:

its a while since a looked at the TPU but i always maintained that coil banging with pulses, and logic control is wrong!

In the past few months/years many many more RE/OU devices are shown on the net and they all have common themes. SM said the answer lay with Tesla and he is right. Its only a case of resonance and self oscillation. Again SM emphasized there is no mass control circuits and in fact no more then self running oscillators.

What i do know based on the work of Tesla and Don Smith is that RE = RF in a node of time space and magnetic coupling does not suffer entropy loss and this is the KEY!

In order to make RE you must first excite the local ambient space. Anything over 100Khz enters the RF arena and split EM can occur. 

Take HV coil transformer as used in strobe supply it will give 5Kv if we drive with  5Khz clock using a 12 volt source battery.  If i couple this through a balun driver i can match this into a collector loop of 5 turns.

if i take this  collector loop i get this to self oscillate at say 1 meg with a 2,200pf cap and the result will be around 1 meg that contains 5Khz modulation.

If this coil is loaded in anyway i will kill the source! if i rectify this i end up with DC 5000 volts with 5Khz hash as modulation, so far so good. EACH turn on the collector now has 5000/5 turns = 1000 volts. But i don't touch this source and this is unlike what everyone does on this forum is play with the source you must NOT touch this!

Now make another collector of 1 full turn. Its LC =F will be quite a bit higher then the primary driver the ratio needs to be 1.618 higher so 1.618 megs.   In open air non cored magnetic coupled to the source this loop will acquire 1000 volts. Remember SM explained all this in his notes.

This secondary collector will acquire magnetic non loss induction to the primary driver. Its o/p tank is fed to a FWBR and will be 1000 volts and the current is limited ONLY by the wire resistance.

Again if i want more current i add another collector and it COPIES from the source! SM explains all this again in his notes. If i want more volts i add this collector in series to give 2000 volt supply.

SO

What are the magic frequencies? There are NONE!!! only magnetic induction is 1.618 higher then source F

1  Clock driver to start HV

2 Driver RE energizer collector F = diameter of L plus C

3 collector load = F = diameter of L plus C and is tuned to 1st collector for best results look for 1.618 higher then source.

O/p = turns ratio of collector 1 to collector 2 into FWBR = DC PLUS source modulation = 5Khz 1000 VDC

Sounds too simple then read Tesla patents, read everything about Don Smith and Kapanadze the latter has several working systems using RF magnetic induction devices.

Can i build this using parts from Rat Shack? YES Is it simple like SM said? YES and does it work like Tesla as SM suggested? YES Does it rely on resonance? YES and of simple low cost circuits no complex mosfet coil bangers? YES

The minimum number of collector coils required is 2 one source one copy. But i can have one source and 5 copies each copy becomes a NEW supply of FULL capacity.

Don't forget RE = RF in energy transformation!





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Re: Agentgates´s TPU setup with strange wavehill hump
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Re: Agentgates´s TPU setup with strange wavehill hump
« Reply #41 on: January 06, 2010, 01:09:15 AM »
@agentgates

Wow things changing fast around here. This sounds like great news indeed so first I would like to commend you for coming forward with this build spec.

Man I had tried many variations of those coils. Almost like basket weaving. Also reminds me of tests we did with a similar winding of @otto's TV Yoke ferrite idea back in June of 2008. Got so hot it burned a permanent circle on my work desk. I put an image of that yoke coil below. lol

So from what I understand, you feel this design is close enough to the SM TPU's. I am having trouble trying to fit in the physicals of your build with the physicals observed in the SM TPUs.

It would be very essential if you could prepare a quick wiring diagram, hand draw or whatever way so those able to can replicate.

Whatever this is, if it is doing what you say it is doing, then who the hell cares if it is in the SM TPU style or not. What matters is the end results and the build is very easy to do.

I grabbed all the photos and saved each page and will eventually put them on my OU FTP site for redundancy.

Again. Well done.

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Re: Agentgates´s TPU setup with strange wavehill hump
« Reply #42 on: January 06, 2010, 02:31:30 AM »
Believe it or not, a few months ago, I had a vision of how to as you say, accelerate electrons, or have more leverage on them and the angle of the windings was part of the idea. Im an inventor as was my grand father and his dad also. My  grand father told me that when he was looking out the window or looking at the tv, that he wasnt always seeing outside or seeing the tv, he said he was seeing visions of ideas and inventions. Basically just thinking and visualizing in the mind. And what you have here , I had seen. It wasnt exactly the same. But the principal and idea were the same. I dismissed it as how could it work. It must be inefficient.  But as we are here, I was wrong.
When I read the 1st post I was shocked. And then I saw the picks and bam, I had to make one. Its not the same wire and such, but it is my attempt. Here it is, made it about an hour ago.

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Re: Agentgates´s TPU setup with strange wavehill hump
« Reply #43 on: January 06, 2010, 03:28:41 AM »
@AgentGates,

Thank you, and congratulations.


@all Validation replications up asap

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Re: Agentgates´s TPU setup with strange wavehill hump
« Reply #44 on: January 06, 2010, 03:33:27 AM »
Ok, Gentleman I gave up to try to sleep and I made new coil. I used the main coil as a base with those small alterations we discussed:

Changes
- 45 degree on the primary angle, that I achieved by cutting shorter tube. The length is now 46mm instead of 70mm.
- I made it a bit tidy, so cut the edge in at every 10 degrees, you will have wire 36 holding gaps on each side. (altogether 72) It makes the winding process 5 minutes on the primary!
- The turnes on the secondary. It was 36 on the completed coil (I didn't post pic on that, only with 3 turn on the same tube) now it is 3 again.
- The gaps between the secondary turns, they were tight now there is 10mm gap. (the most important found)
- The secondary diameter, it was 0.74mm, now 1.40.

What didn't change
- The diameter and wall thickness of the tube (80mm and 2mm).
- The diameter of the primary wire. (0.40mm)
- The materials: solid copper, paper tube.
- My curiosity: still cant sleep. :)


Test environment

Input parameters 500kHz/50% square wave, 31VDC, 0.8A. 3x IGBTs in parallel. Rated 1200V/74A/500W per each.


Conclusions

Positive results
- The output peak became just beautiful. Rises on an exponential curve and symmetrically falls dow. If you make 3 channels of it you will get the "JET-turbine effect" SM said, so we can decrease the input current as well and the IGBT's will not heat as they only need to pile movement on a wire that already has some electron flow triggered by the previous channel.
- RF noise components disappeared after the peak as I wanted, no rectifier bridge needed anymore to clean up the negative range.
- Output peak goes to 153V. No significant drop on it after connecting the 250V/50W halogene light bulb. Only a few volts.
- IGBTs are doing better due to the lack of noise components.

Negative results
- Primary wire is still heating, so time to increase the channels to 3 and change it to a bigger on the next device if still an issue. (The next size I'v got handy is 0.74mm.)
- Voltage is too low to make light on the bulb, so need to increase the secondary turnes and decrease the gaps. e.g fully wound secondary from top to bottom with 2x bigger gaps than the diameter (~3mm).
- Need more spikes to fill the gaps, so the next milestone is the 3 channel and a syncronised driving circuitry. (I have professional equipment with 12 CH pulse generator and an own PC software to create any kind of bit pattern)

Is that a left handed wind on the primary I see?

I don't know what handed that is. :) But it only changes the polarity of the secondary.

Also have you tried a lesser or greater angle on the primary winds? And if so what did you see?

Yes but I also changed some other parameters as well, so we don't know about the result of it. Now the standard is 45 degree and will remain as it seems perform well. But it is a useful idea, later we can try to change it.

If this is indeed a source of such a huge power then two questions arise:
1. The design is very simple. Why has nobody observed this effect during billions of experiments before? People have successfully developed and applied technology for extracting power from a controlled nuclear chain reaction and missed this simple and clean path? Unbelievable.

The design is naturally very simple and indeed the primary winding technique is still in use within CRT TVs as an electron accelerator. This is what I use it for. :) To find simple things is always difficult.

2. Where the hell the energy comes from? What are we dealing with?

The energy is very likely from cosmic background but I will talk about it in a video lecture as it is not easy to understand in writing. I will have to make charts to make it understandable as it is.

Tomorrow I'll try this design... I just can't believe it until I see the bulb glowing on my table.

I hope so. ;) Keep an eye on the updates as I am trying to make it simpler and cheaper to duplicate.

What would happen if it was wound in a right handed manner?

Would change the polarity on the secondary output. :)

What would happen or be experienced if one was left handed and another was right handed and those were stacked and inter connected?

I presume that you'd get very bad results. Remember it is not only a switching power supply, but also an electron accelerator. It is a very important thing you have to keep always in mind.

Imagine the secondary as hose pipe where you want to make a liquid flowing. If its in an untidy pile and you open high pressure water on it it's going to wave to the neighbors. :) In our case it would cause unexpected collisions, rather than a smooth flow. In other words you need to make the electron flow as smooth as possible. You can only do it if you avoid primary-primary and secondary-secondary wires crossing or touching each other.

You create this smooth electron flow with the primary is a spinning manner. You spin up the electrons as vortex and yet it will automatically flow much faster and much more electrons you'd expect at a normal transformer.

I wonder whether there is any flyback diode used to protect the FET(s) against the large voltage occurring at the drains right after switching off the primary coil....

Naturally not as I want that energy to be harvested on the secondary side and not on the primary PSU. :) So Need to adjust the winding parameters to make the flow in the secondary as smooth as possible.

The description of the output power is still vague.

Not really as top IGBTs don't cook from nothing, especially not in 3 sec with molten solder and zinc plating on the back side. (I will post photos of that)

It's not said that the output is > 1KW. It says 'it moves > 1KW'. Probably to the switching fet(s), instead of the output.

Yes, presently it is true but I am on it to get that out on the output.

I'll have some more patience to see what exactly the input / output configuration is.

My task list is presently so long that probably that will be the last thing we do when I finish the demo device in a few days to Stefan and make it selfrunning.

 

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