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Author Topic: Agentgates´s TPU setup with strange wavehill hump  (Read 294800 times)

Offline Mk1

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Re: Agentgates´s TPU setup with strange wavehill hump
« Reply #855 on: February 15, 2010, 12:21:01 AM »
@all

NEW MOVIE for my Slim Version 5 turn 16 layer

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U9BMTAlL0dU

Lighting leds on the satellite coil , and the 2 volt bulb on the secondary .

8 turn secondary about 10 v rectified dc .

Mark

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Re: Agentgates´s TPU setup with strange wavehill hump
« Reply #856 on: February 15, 2010, 07:21:15 AM »
Thanks for the video, MK1,

got a question, though:
in the vid you first connect the battery and then you fiddle/twist with a round kind of button at the right, which changes the brightness of the bulb.
What is that round thing/button?

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Re: Agentgates´s TPU setup with strange wavehill hump
« Reply #857 on: February 15, 2010, 07:24:10 AM »
Thanks for the video, MK1,

got a question, though:
in the vid you first connect the battery and then you fiddle/twist with a round kind of button at the right, which changes the brightness of the bulb.
What is that round thing/button?


Its a 1k trim-potentiometer connected to the base of a 2n2222 transistor.

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Re: Agentgates´s TPU setup with strange wavehill hump
« Reply #857 on: February 15, 2010, 07:24:10 AM »
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Re: Agentgates´s TPU setup with strange wavehill hump
« Reply #858 on: February 15, 2010, 03:28:32 PM »
@Mk1

Congratulations you seem to be making good progress !

Can you post the details of your new circuit, it seems you have changed a couple of things since your last circuit...

What size of cardboard cylinder are you using?  It seems a bit different than the roll of duct tape in size.

I see you mentioned in the JT thread the following:

5 turn 16 layer
8 turn secondary

I understand the 8 turn secondary but don't understand the 5 turn 16 layer.

Got a couple of clarifications about your current circuit if you don't mind:

1. What are the dimensions of the cardboard cylinder?
2. What size gauge are you using on the primary?
3. How many turns on primary 1?
4. Same amount of turns on primary 2.
5. 8 turn secondary, same gauge wire as primary?
6. 2N222 transistor.
7. 1K potentiometer.
8. What are the dimensions of the smaller cardboard cylinder that you use on the inside of the larger one to light the LEDs?
9. How many turns and what gauge are you using on the smaller cardboard cylinder?

10. Have you tried feeding back some of the rectified voltage from the secondary back to the battery to see if it would run by removing the battery once started?  That would make it a self runner  ;D

PS:  Seems kind of odd that this thread was red hot at first and that now that you seem to be making it work nobody is paying much attention, how odd  ???

Anyways, best of luck to you, I tip my hat to you sir :)

Regards,
Paul

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Re: Agentgates´s TPU setup with strange wavehill hump
« Reply #859 on: February 21, 2010, 08:36:45 AM »
@all

I just finish a new video showing my last JT construction , but also the bulb lighting from the battery the E-C connection and the 3 different secondaries .

The E-C on this one is really strong , but this design is flawed , with parallel layers the load is transparent but not on this one ...

Its a good one anyway.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iz4pN-LybGo

The best is still to come !

Mark 

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I will start a new tread , and explain everything .

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Re: Agentgates´s TPU setup with strange wavehill hump
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Re: Agentgates´s TPU setup with strange wavehill hump
« Reply #860 on: February 21, 2010, 03:33:12 PM »
MK1
As I see from your video ( maybe I am seeing too much ) the bulb lights much brighter across EC than
if it was placed across the battery.

1- How bright would be the light in comparison if the battery was totally disconnected from the circuit?
2- What are the current draws from the battery with different placements of the light bulb?

Thanks

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Re: Agentgates´s TPU setup with strange wavehill hump
« Reply #861 on: February 21, 2010, 04:00:17 PM »
Its the fact that the output is higher in voltage to light the light bulb. There is plenty of amps from the battery to light the bulb but the voltage wont permit the amperage needed through the filament resistance as does the secondary, or even the bemf from the primary can light the bulb brighter than battery alone. But its not to say that the input is less than the output of the gates coil just because the bulb is brighter on the output than it is on the input voltage. For instance, When I pulse one of my big coils and capture the bemf from the coil, I can light a 12 filament on the bemf much brighter than the 5v running the circuit. My 5v is at 1.1A and my light bulb is at 10v .48A , my input is 5W and my output is 4.8W yet the output can run the bulb better.
Light bulbs are strange elements.Just the way the resistance gets higher as the heat builds, etc. The initial current is the hardest on the source and after the load is much easier.

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Re: Agentgates´s TPU setup with strange wavehill hump
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Re: Agentgates´s TPU setup with strange wavehill hump
« Reply #862 on: March 08, 2010, 06:50:11 PM »
@all

I made a new video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eiLcbTBewhw

Running the motor/generator , detail on the connections ...

I know i know but this coil shows me new stuff .

@Mag

I know you can get better results from your coil , by having fatter wire for secondary makes a huge difference , and adding a second coil to make it 2 phase .

Mark


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Re: Agentgates´s TPU setup with strange wavehill hump
« Reply #863 on: March 08, 2010, 07:09:48 PM »
Very cool Mk   5 stars   ;)

How do you feel about the conversion rate from in to out?
Anything exciting? ;D


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Re: Agentgates´s TPU setup with strange wavehill hump
« Reply #863 on: March 08, 2010, 07:09:48 PM »
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Re: Agentgates´s TPU setup with strange wavehill hump
« Reply #864 on: March 08, 2010, 07:21:28 PM »
Very cool Mk   5 stars   ;)

How do you feel about the conversion rate from in to out?
Anything exciting? ;D


mags


Thanks!

Well the output never stops going up , some prototype show no load from the secondary at the transistor , i get around 67 volts on that one , the current is still a mystery to me on the output side anyway , on the input its around 160 mili , i get a glow from a 6 volts 250 mili bulb .

Now having the possibility to take juice from the transistor and the secondary opens new possibility .

Mark 
« Last Edit: March 09, 2010, 02:59:08 AM by Mk1 »

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Re: Agentgates´s TPU setup with strange wavehill hump
« Reply #865 on: March 09, 2010, 12:13:03 AM »
Hi Mark,
so you say you have 160 Milliamps as the input current.
That would be around 160 MilliWatts, if the 1.2 Volt Battery
is about loaded like this it would probably only produce around 1 Volts.

Or do you use 2  x 1.2 Volts batteries in series for the JT circuit ?

If you get a 6 Volts 250 milliamps bulbs to glow pretty brightly,
that would mean around 1.5 Watts of output power from
160 MilliWatts of input power ?

Can you please verify this again ?

P.S. Did you play with other JT circuits before ?
Did you have lower outputs with other normal coils ?

Many thanks.

Regards, Stefan.

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Re: Agentgates´s TPU setup with strange wavehill hump
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Re: Agentgates´s TPU setup with strange wavehill hump
« Reply #866 on: March 09, 2010, 06:18:02 PM »
Hi MK1,
I am in the process of building a joule thief with a Rodin style aircore coil similar to the one you show in your video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eiLcbTBewhw

Thank you very much for making that video. Up till now i was hitting this kind of coils with a square wave generator.
Finally I understood, that a "self oscillating transistor" in joule thief style is the way to go.
In your video you wrote at 0:16  "On the first try I made it an X winding, the pickup coil gave me 0 Volts but still could light 24 leds in parallel"
Also, at 0:33 you wrote: "0 volts coil (X) At work!"
I got that same effect - lighting a LED on the collector coil with an immeasurable voltage - and obviously it is because this coil picks up some kind of AC.
Also a LED on such a collector coil lights both ways, weak in one way, yet much stronger when connected the right way round, no?
I scoped across a LED lit on such a collector coil. See the signal below.
« Last Edit: March 09, 2010, 06:55:12 PM by oscar »

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Re: Agentgates´s TPU setup with strange wavehill hump
« Reply #867 on: March 09, 2010, 07:54:25 PM »
Hi Oscar,

Many thanks for your answer here.
It is very good you attached the scope display picture. 
I think the LED is lit only in the peak pulse amplitudes (where your vertical time cursors cross the beheaded peak of the pulse) and if your zero line is in the center horizontal line, the beheaded peak amplitude is about 1.8V positive, this is what lights the LED (the LED limits the peak pulse at its forward voltage level).  (One vertical divison is 2 Volts, one horizontal divison is 5 usec.)
For the rest of the waveform the inductive ringing is seen as usual for an unloaded (but lossy) coil. 
The LED is ON for about 2 usec (the length of the horizontal beheaded pulse peak) from the full 15 usec pulse time.

Your observation on the reversed biased LED giving a weak light: you basically have an AC voltage between the collector and the negative line, however this is an assymetrical waveform, its positive peak is higher than its negative one, so whenever you connect the LED so that the negative peaks are the forward direction for it, it still lights but more dimly.

If you have an ordinary digital voltmeter, would you check what it shows in both its AC and DC ranges? Just for info, normally a 64-65 kHz pulse is a total failure for conventional 50-60Hz  DMMs.

Thanks,  Gyula

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Re: Agentgates´s TPU setup with strange wavehill hump
« Reply #868 on: March 10, 2010, 05:05:20 AM »
@all

I started a new tread

http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=8878.msg231926

About the coil

Please come and join me .

Mark

@Oscar


Thank you , nice scope shot , was that from the transistor of the pickup coil ?


« Last Edit: March 10, 2010, 07:05:38 AM by Mk1 »

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Re: Agentgates´s TPU setup with strange wavehill hump
« Reply #869 on: March 11, 2010, 07:24:32 PM »
If you have an ordinary digital voltmeter, would you check what it shows in both its AC and DC ranges? Just for info, normally a 64-65 kHz pulse is a total failure for conventional 50-60Hz  DMMs.
Hi gyulasun

I tried that and it is exactly the problem: my cheap DMM has two settings/ranges for AC: 200V and 600V, and it does not give a reading for the signal that lights the LED(s), due to the problem you describe (the meter is not build to pick up AC in that frequency range).

I also get no reading when set to DC.

But please note: there are amps there. This is why it will light LEDs in parallel but not in series - if I am not mistaken. Also note the "directionality"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0PdxlD4xOck

 

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