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Author Topic: Agentgates´s TPU setup with strange wavehill hump  (Read 294900 times)

Offline ramset

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Re: Agentgates´s TPU setup with strange wavehill hump
« Reply #780 on: January 21, 2010, 04:55:45 PM »
Paul

I've seen some pretty fast operators in my day!

But buddy you jump to conclusions WAYYYYY to quickly!!

There is to much at stake to act this way!!
once this is analyzed [in progress] the rest will be obvious!
And the results shared with all 

No stone unturned!

Chet

Keep looking fellows !

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Re: Agentgates´s TPU setup with strange wavehill hump
« Reply #781 on: January 21, 2010, 05:36:39 PM »
He is an outright fraud....... what is being set up by him is a classic scam, using 'volunteer' time, labor, and resources to 'research' the technology, to set up a 'foundation' to market the device....

A marketing foundation pays the marketer... (IE Tony)

'Volunteers' don't get payed anything, as they are by definition volunteers.

This information is FIRSTHAND.

Faust and everyone else roped in at this point like I was until twenty minutes ago..... Don't just walk away... RUN!

I can't believe I fell for that crap.

Paul Andrulis

RUN!

Offline pauldude000

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Re: Agentgates´s TPU setup with strange wavehill hump
« Reply #782 on: January 21, 2010, 08:54:59 PM »
Paul

I've seen some pretty fast operators in my day!

But buddy you jump to conclusions WAYYYYY to quickly!!

There is to much at stake to act this way!!
once this is analyzed [in progress] the rest will be obvious!
And the results shared with all 

No stone unturned!

Chet

Keep looking fellows !

Ramset.... I don't jump to conclusions.

He set up his own little party elsewhere, and I was invited to join, along with many others from OU.com.

He hung himself with his own words. He made a grand initial speech about showing us how it was made, and how he wanted us to figure out how it works, document it, and then publish it in the open source. He welcomed us 'volunteers' to help him in this.

I was fine with that concept.

After a couple of days, he posted a grand set of goals....... which did NOT include open source. It included a 'Marketing Foudation' to be set up, and the publishing to be not open source, but to small companies to manufacture.

Open source is free and open, what he is talking about requires funds, and lots of them. Marketing requires selling, not giving.

It is quite literally a 180 degree switch from the initial promise to the 'volunteers' he made at his site.

Here is the link, though it may not do anyone any good, as it is a secure private site.

www.tpu-alliance.com

The free energy concept has its hard workers. It has those with effects and unexplainable anomalies. Unfortunately some view it as a vehicle to separate willing to believe individuals from their cash in one manner or another.

For instance take Hutchison. He is not a scammer, though I disagree with about every other word the man says when he described his effects.  It is obvious he is HONEST, though misguided, and forced to explain that which he did not have any answers to, so he made up a bunch of poop.

Does he have a coil? Possibly... I repeat POSSIBLY.

He was claiming here to have a 'powerful coil' made and ready to send to hartiberlin, yet at his new forum he wants the volunteers to help him, so that he can have a 'working KW unit in a few weeks'.....

He claimed his initial coil was putting out over a kilowatt... remember? It does tend to put every word out of his mouth in doubt. Not because of some 'persecution' which has happened to others, just not to him. Minor criticism like came from hartiberlin does not count as 'persecution'.

I am not saying 'do not work on the coil here at OU.com, and thoroughly check out the concept', I AM saying to all don't join in his scheme, get sucked into his MONETARY scam.

Paul Andrulis

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Re: Agentgates´s TPU setup with strange wavehill hump
« Reply #782 on: January 21, 2010, 08:54:59 PM »
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Re: Agentgates´s TPU setup with strange wavehill hump
« Reply #783 on: January 21, 2010, 09:01:16 PM »
@all

Agentgates has left , and won't come back here , all i can say is i made a joule thief from his coil , and for the first time ever a joule thief lit a filament bulb from the secondary , it also runs a 12 volt motor on the secondary.

So i would not be so quick in judging ,

To Marco , the more i look at you the more i see a disinfo agent , you are responsible for the SM , up to last year you still gave the impression to to know all there was about it , now we have something to work on that is clear , but no now SM is a scam , and please don't follow agentgates , why ?

Is there really a tpu by SM probably not since SM is a crook , regard less ,

There is something to this coil .

So before in the past you told everyone how to do it , now you say he is scam , and please don't waist time on the design of agentgate .

Marco , i never tough you add anything , and i was right...

Mark

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Re: Agentgates´s TPU setup with strange wavehill hump
« Reply #784 on: January 21, 2010, 09:41:11 PM »
Paul
I have to say I never EVER read anything posted by Tony that smelled Like a guy looking for a Sucker to throw money at him.

Born and raised in NYC Heavy Construction and Demolition business, I know what those guys look like and sound like.[ every Race, creed, nationality, and religion]

Nobody has a crowbar in my pocket prying out my wallet.

Monetary scam is a big accusation to make.

Time to keep moving forward and not get mired in what might be no more than than an inability to communicate intent.

24 hrs at a new location [the above link you posted] and you have this guy up on the cross lighting a fire under him.

A few weeks to show results[what you posted above]!!
And you want to burn him??

Lindsay has been doing this for how long??

Forever? ? ? ? ? ?
He is " begging" folks to replicate this""" BEGGING !!!"""

Paul put out your torch.

We need to see whats Up

A few weeks isn't going to kill anyone .


Chet

No stone left unturned!!

« Last Edit: January 21, 2010, 10:26:20 PM by ramset »

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Re: Agentgates´s TPU setup with strange wavehill hump
« Reply #784 on: January 21, 2010, 09:41:11 PM »
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Re: Agentgates´s TPU setup with strange wavehill hump
« Reply #785 on: January 21, 2010, 09:58:30 PM »
@all

Agentgates has left , and won't come back here , all i can say is i made a joule thief from his coil , and for the first time ever a joule thief lit a filament bulb from the secondary , it also runs a 12 volt motor on the secondary.

So i would not be so quick in judging ,

To Marco , the more i look at you the more i see a disinfo agent , you are responsible for the SM , up to last year you still gave the impression to to know all there was about it , now we have something to work on that is clear , but no now SM is a scam , and please don't follow agentgates , why ?

Is there really a tpu by SM probably not since SM is a crook , regard less ,

There is something to this coil .

So before in the past you told everyone how to do it , now you say he is scam , and please don't waist time on the design of agentgate .

Marco , i never tough you add anything , and i was right...

Mark

Mark, I do not doubt agent gates has a working design.

Bear with me for just a second, keeping an open mind.

An idea cannot be patented. Recipies or formulas cannot be patented. Only devices or mechanical processes can be patented.

'Intellectual rights' to either a machine or process are only a term unless a machine is patented.

A patented idea is not open source, by its very definition.

Open source is free, requiring NO funds at all to accomplish. You give it to anyone whom is interested, that is open source.

He initially toasted any concept of proprietary intellectual rights to the idea by posting his basic design on a public forum. When asked to provide proof >>>HE HAD ALREADY PROMISED<<<, he ran.

At his new group, he claimed it was due to persecution.

WHAT persecution??? (Asking someone to keep their own promise is somehow persecution mow?)

Here is a scenario to consider:

He ran precisely because he did discover something, doesn't really know how it works, and therefore cannot patent it, and wants others to help him explain it so that he CAN patent the idea, retain intellectual rights, and market the device or the process, or both.

Amazingly enough, it blocks any competition, including replications by those whom he has conned into helping him. LEGALLY they are volunteers, to which he owes no obligation, as they agreed to join AS volunteers.

They cannot SHARE the information with others, as they do not own intellectual rights to the machine and would therefore be in breach of contract, patent infringement, and open to legal action.

Little ole' Tony has EXCLUSIVE RIGHTS to both the machine, and the process.

What does it mean?

Hummingbird motor anyone???

Paul Andrulis

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Re: Agentgates´s TPU setup with strange wavehill hump
« Reply #786 on: January 21, 2010, 10:00:21 PM »
Paul
I have to say I never EVER read anything posted by Tony that smelled Like a guy looking for a Sucker to throw money at him.

Born and raised in NYC Heavy Construction business I know what those guys look like and sound like.[ every Race, creed, nationality, and religion]

Nobody has a crowbar in my pocket prying out my wallet.

Monetary scam is a big accusation to make.

Time to keep moving forward and not get mired in what might be no more than than an inability to communicate intent.

24 hrs at a new location [the above link you posted] and you have this guy up on the cross lighting a fire under him.

A few weeks to show results[what you posted above]!!
And you want to burn him??

Lindsay has been doing this for how long??

Forever? ? ? ? ? ?
He is " begging" folks to replicate this""" BEGGING !!!"""

Paul put out your torch.

We need to see whats Up

A few weeks isn't going to kill anyone .


Chet

No stone left unturned!!

I never said he wanted YOUR money.... yet...

He wants your time, equipment, experience, and labor.

The money comes from the marketing.

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Re: Agentgates´s TPU setup with strange wavehill hump
« Reply #786 on: January 21, 2010, 10:00:21 PM »
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Re: Agentgates´s TPU setup with strange wavehill hump
« Reply #787 on: January 21, 2010, 10:04:42 PM »
By the way, I am lighting a torch....

A REALLY HUGE TORCH!!!

The only thing afraid of light is darkness.

Paul

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Re: Agentgates´s TPU setup with strange wavehill hump
« Reply #788 on: January 21, 2010, 10:27:46 PM »
@paul

Give me a break , patent and time , yes he is most likely responsible for asking time , but then why dose anyone post here ? :-\

And yes i believe there is a second group of people , and the info will be given in a public forum , just not here  :-\

And to tell the truth , i would have done the same ...

The guys is new here , he doesn't need to understand or bare the type of circus that the tpu treads are , where speculation is ruling and no work is done , plus those that at the time seemed to know everything  ??? .

Tell me that someone serious and having something to give out , would give it to clowns so it would get lost , or misportrayed . He would then be the one wasting time .

If you are not one to like losing time , then i would suggest reevaluating your hobbies , and stop posting...

The guy came in to work , and that is something impossible then it is mentioned TPU in the title , there was no mention of it at first .At that time things where going great , everyone was positive helpful and working , then Stephan changed the name , no mention of the tpu , still no problem , he changed it again this time TPU was there , within 48 hours the tread was dead , sad be true , i saw it happening , and i give it to you strait .

You can't verify a OU claim In under a 6 month of time , it is impossible . ::)

So stop being so negative , because people like you are causing good people to go away , and not show there hard work , to people having no respect.

Mark

Most that will read this usually only do TPU tread , to those yes go do something else , you may learn what team work is all about.
 

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Re: Agentgates´s TPU setup with strange wavehill hump
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Re: Agentgates´s TPU setup with strange wavehill hump
« Reply #789 on: January 21, 2010, 10:38:32 PM »
Paul
Very serious Question?

                Patent? ? ?

Any body thinks they would sell ONE just ONE TPU  SPU  WPU[wood]

UUU   U would have to be NUTS

End of story.

NEVER HAPPEN!!             EVER !!

I don't care if you had patents knee deep
And liars [lawyers] lined up around the block
You ain't selling it PERIOD,just the way it has always been
going back to Tesla and before.

This is for us to change the world one application at a time
Maybe in Haiti to run some hospital to sterilize water
to make water [drywell]
Who knows?

Not to sell.


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Re: Agentgates´s TPU setup with strange wavehill hump
« Reply #790 on: January 21, 2010, 10:53:44 PM »
Patent, probably already been done.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=neiOQgYw_Qc

Start in this vid at 3:14.  Look like Tony's setup?  Its most probable that a lot of good circuits are owned by the Govt. Whether stolen from tesla, Hj, Stan Meyers, etc.  thereby shutting anyone down along the way saying that they own it.  But then the question should be, why are we not using this tech, why are you hiding it? They will have their reasons. And they would say it is a national security issue, etc.
Now, imagine open source. Sure its out there. But someone will want to put money into making them, and selling them. And they could, due to not everyone is able to build it.  Not everyone is a high tech caveman like me.  =]

Mags

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Re: Agentgates´s TPU setup with strange wavehill hump
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Re: Agentgates´s TPU setup with strange wavehill hump
« Reply #791 on: January 21, 2010, 11:10:35 PM »
Mags
Quote;

Not everyone is a high tech caveman like me.  =]
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There are some very fast learners out here!!.
BTW
from 3.14 on there are some very sexy coils
Who is Tony Roon ??
His name was under I schematic.

Chet

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Re: Agentgates´s TPU setup with strange wavehill hump
« Reply #792 on: January 21, 2010, 11:13:31 PM »

Marco , i never tough you add anything , and i was right...

Mark

And this my friend, is because there simply isn't any thing to add......
No worries, i won't bother you again...

Marco.

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Re: Agentgates´s TPU setup with strange wavehill hump
« Reply #793 on: January 21, 2010, 11:26:22 PM »
On the "intellectual property rights" thing. Paul, you are confused. To hint at what your confused about, think back to when tesla modified edison's light bulb. I think you are being too freaked out over such an easy thing to figure out. And i'm sure you should look into how patents and property rights work a little bit more before you jump off the monopoly scam bridge.  ::)

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Re: Agentgates´s TPU setup with strange wavehill hump
« Reply #794 on: January 21, 2010, 11:27:58 PM »
And this my friend, is because there simply isn't any thing to add......
No worries, i won't bother you again...

Marco.

And to marco, the frustrated teenage girl, please stop assuming everything. Your arrogance blinds you... And I say that as a proud keyboard hero!  :D

 

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