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Author Topic: Agentgates´s TPU setup with strange wavehill hump  (Read 288858 times)

Offline teslaalset

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Re: Agentgates´s TPU setup with strange wavehill hump
« Reply #735 on: January 17, 2010, 09:25:34 PM »
Thanks Dudes
I need a scope and looking now. The coil is like AG said to go for in the first place, as in the primary angles. I posted a pic earlier Ill post it here. 28ga wire for pri and sec.

I had tried to just send the bemf pulse from the osc directly to the coil but storing a few in a cap then dumping is better. I just had to try some of these things I had learned from pulse motor experience.

Uggh, me makes powa!  ahh, me get MTV on scope?  Ooooo ooo OOOooo!

Very nice Bebo  Im still going to play with this more.

Magscave

Mag, I notice your primary windings are 'down under' oriented. Are you aware?

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Re: Agentgates´s TPU setup with strange wavehill hump
« Reply #736 on: January 17, 2010, 09:25:41 PM »
Also I think the primaries could be a bit beefier, as Gates used to begin with, it is what he made the claim on, then changed everything along the way.  My aim is toward Stefans yellow coil.
Stefan could you post some different angle pics of that yellow coil?  Please =]

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Re: Agentgates´s TPU setup with strange wavehill hump
« Reply #737 on: January 17, 2010, 09:28:59 PM »
Tes

Do you mean the secondary is inside the primay? Just like we were told to do in the beginning? And those parameters changed along the way? So we could not effectively reproduce before Gates?

lol  Thats the way I see it.

Mags

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Re: Agentgates´s TPU setup with strange wavehill hump
« Reply #737 on: January 17, 2010, 09:28:59 PM »
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Re: Agentgates´s TPU setup with strange wavehill hump
« Reply #738 on: January 17, 2010, 10:01:14 PM »
Tes

Do you mean the secondary is inside the primay? Just like we were told to do in the beginning? And those parameters changed along the way? So we could not effectively reproduce before Gates?

lol  Thats the way I see it.

Mags

I mean the diagonal windings.
Have a look at Broli's instruction page: http://ziosproject.com/NJ/AAcoilPres/index.htm

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Re: Agentgates´s TPU setup with strange wavehill hump
« Reply #739 on: January 17, 2010, 10:07:32 PM »
@all

Hello , i am still working on a 1.5 volts version .

But was thinking of making a op amp square wave generator, SM was a audoi guy , maybe i will put a audio amp too with it tda2003 10watt on 9 volts.


but so far ...


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Re: Agentgates´s TPU setup with strange wavehill hump
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Re: Agentgates´s TPU setup with strange wavehill hump
« Reply #740 on: January 17, 2010, 10:14:52 PM »
Tes
This was the first coil I made before Gates changed the angle to 45 deg. This has been a question of mine. If Gates was making a claim on those parameters, then why the change to 45 deg? Also If you saw his last pic in the post of the coil he was working on, he has the secondary glued to the tube before the primaries, so that means that the secondary IS wrapped around by the primaries, not the secondary outside the primaries. I think he got worried and threw us in another direction till he finished a presentable prize winner. That is if his claim is real.  But Im on a caveman mission, Quest for Fire.  Oooo oo

Magscave

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Re: Agentgates´s TPU setup with strange wavehill hump
« Reply #741 on: January 17, 2010, 11:19:59 PM »
I mean the diagonal windings.
Have a look at Broli's instruction page: http://ziosproject.com/NJ/AAcoilPres/index.htm

Those of you who have previously downloded Broli's renditions from http://ziosproject.com/NJ/AAcoilPres/index.htm may be interested to know he has added a very useful template for
marking the tube prior to winding the coil. Thanks Broli.

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Re: Agentgates´s TPU setup with strange wavehill hump
« Reply #742 on: January 18, 2010, 12:01:45 AM »
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r8uwx9pQWT4

Tried one of my Big coils inside the gates coil and I have burned up 2 leds with it.
Im looking to try a larger primary wire ga later tonight.  I may even try wrapping a Big coil to see what it does.

Oooo ahhh ahhh oo

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Re: Agentgates´s TPU setup with strange wavehill hump
« Reply #743 on: January 18, 2010, 01:55:46 AM »
@Magluvin

With your large coil in the center try shorting out your secondary that is wrapped inside your slanted winds.

Take care.

nap

Edit: oops - if you are running DC pulses it may run different than running resonant ac. Sorry.

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Re: Agentgates´s TPU setup with strange wavehill hump
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Re: Agentgates´s TPU setup with strange wavehill hump
« Reply #744 on: January 18, 2010, 05:11:18 AM »
Hi
On the picture below (ostatnia_proba_tony_tpu.jpg) you can see probably the brightest lamp in this thread (this is car bulb 12V 21W) and it is shining with its full brightness...

But don't be excited. I have made many measurements of Tony's setup and my conclusion is: this ain't TPU.

Setup from the picture description:
1. 124mm diameter paper tube, two control coils of about 70 turns each and 45 degrees. Both coils wound all around the tube.
2. Collector wound around all of this, as seen on the picture. About 20 turns (now when writing this, I'm in another place) of ~1.5mm copper wire.
3. Control coils driven independently with circuits similar to the one from my first post.
4. Source of 50% duty cycle square wave is a generator capable of generating up to 4 independent, galvanically isolated signals in wide range of frequencies up to few MHz. Apart of that, it is possible to synchronize all signals and to set desired phase shift. Maximum power is achieved while phase shift of second signal is 0 degrees or/and frequency is a multiplication of the first one.
5. Input power is about 100W, and output about 20W


Now I will briefly write here, what has been done.

1. I was investigating output waveform presented in my post on page 37. Looking at the voltage measured across the control coil, showed that there is bad oscillation after falling edge of input signal. I made a A class push-pull MOSFET amplifier (picture wzmacniacz.jpg), that is able to drive coils with no oscillation, providing up to 25Vpp and slopes 160V/us (very fast). I was very surprised, when I connected it to the coil. Indeed, there were no oscillation on the input signal, but also the output signal changed to the square wave of bad shape (picture protokaty.jpg). Driving the coil with a sine wave provided low level sinusoidal output. In both cases the bulb was shining, but very barely. Conclusion from this point is that oscillation and spikes occurring while driving with single MOSFET are needed to achieve big spikes on the secondary, and because of transforming input wave shape to output, it seemed to act as a regular transformer (of low efficiency due to lack of the core)

2. I wound second control coil, as described above. Have been playing with that  setup quite a long time, changing frequencies, phases, voltages. Everything I did confirmed regular transformer thesis. Actually Tony's setup can be described as two coils on the same axis, while the primary coil is working with half of its efficiency because of its 45 degrees winding. Its field has two components: vertical and horizontal, and this vertical component couples with secondary coil.

3. This device is no orientation dependent, no vibration, no other weird effects. Putting an iron core inside boost up efficiency. While having more output power, it is seen that output waveforms are not DC pulses. It is AC with short positive spike and long but low level negative part. Energies positive and negative seems to be equal. Driving it with pure square or sine wave shows that very clearly.

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Now I will go back to research of TPU as described in Steven Mark's letters. Maybe some of you will prove Tony's setup is a TPU or OU device of some other kind. The words I wrote today are only my personal research conclusion.

Marek

Hi Marek,
many thanks for the interesting research results.

Did you ever find out, why there was this hump wave in your first scope shots ?
From what did they come ?

Please let us know, if you know it.
Many thanks.

Regards, Stefan.

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Re: Agentgates´s TPU setup with strange wavehill hump
« Reply #745 on: January 18, 2010, 07:38:05 AM »
" Conclusion from this point is that oscillation and spikes occurring while driving with single MOSFET are needed to achieve big spikes on the secondary, and because of transforming input wave shape to output, it seemed to act as a regular transformer (of low efficiency due to lack of the core)
il.

Marek"

The same for me, it seem that spikes are needed to provide some effect on the secondary.

My suggestion is to drive the primary with a Bedini oscillator that have fast transients.

Wings

Update:
with the obvious warnings of this operation :o :o :o
removing the part from diode bridge ....
« Last Edit: January 18, 2010, 12:02:29 PM by wings »

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Re: Agentgates´s TPU setup with strange wavehill hump
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Re: Agentgates´s TPU setup with strange wavehill hump
« Reply #746 on: January 18, 2010, 01:14:41 PM »
@all

I am still experimenting with the coil it self , on a jt .

I succeed in lighting a filament bulb brighter than on the source battery .

Also noted fact for jt fans , usually you get either power from the secondary or the basic led , but in this case both .

The main pulse from the jt is not affected , by putting a resistor on the secondary or even closing the secondary.

I made it from a Toilet Paper  roll so i call it a TP Unit  ;).

Whether this is marks tpu or not , it sure works better then my usual jt.
And worth investigation.

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Re: Agentgates´s TPU setup with strange wavehill hump
« Reply #747 on: January 18, 2010, 02:48:27 PM »
Nice job MK1!

What is the output and input power levels?  Also what is the bulb rated at?

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Re: Agentgates´s TPU setup with strange wavehill hump
« Reply #748 on: January 18, 2010, 10:33:15 PM »
Some test using 0.06 mm primary wire close to 43 US gauge, and 0.75 mm secondary.
Max primary current 0.4 A spike on secondary max at end of square wave.

As you can see I was not able to light led.

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Re: Agentgates´s TPU setup with strange wavehill hump
« Reply #749 on: January 18, 2010, 11:15:06 PM »
disconnect the loop you created with the cro ground input



monitor output only  ..no load for now

reverse the cro leads

zoom in and out



Edit ..my post spelling changes after i post it???what the ???

 

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