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Author Topic: Agentgates´s TPU setup with strange wavehill hump  (Read 288482 times)

Offline Mannix

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Re: Agentgates´s TPU setup with strange wavehill hump
« Reply #720 on: January 16, 2010, 08:41:17 AM »
@Paul, interesting circuit
the fets need to saturate thats means 10-20 volts
@all  who dont see the pulses

Please dont bother with 3 phase ...yet
Please dont change anything from tonys single primary..yet
Please dont theorise...yet

Please build one and find  those pulses ...the ones with dc

That's all you need to do to have a meaningfull conversation about why and what to do next.


Back in a few days  I dont know how to offer any more help now  because I need your help, always have.

Lindsay


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Re: Agentgates´s TPU setup with strange wavehill hump
« Reply #721 on: January 16, 2010, 10:35:28 AM »
Scared? you don't need to be stinking scared!

Jerry 8)

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Re: Agentgates´s TPU setup with strange wavehill hump
« Reply #722 on: January 16, 2010, 10:42:20 AM »

I'm going to try Rodin's 150 degree steps as Tony mentions on the 1st page. Then we can compare  results.

-duff
« Last Edit: January 16, 2010, 11:15:37 AM by duff »

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Re: Agentgates´s TPU setup with strange wavehill hump
« Reply #722 on: January 16, 2010, 10:42:20 AM »
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Re: Agentgates´s TPU setup with strange wavehill hump
« Reply #723 on: January 16, 2010, 10:47:31 AM »
@Paul, interesting circuit
the fets need to saturate thats means 10-20 volts
@all  who dont see the pulses

Please dont bother with 3 phase ...yet
Please dont change anything from tonys single primary..yet
Please dont theorise...yet

Please build one and find  those pulses ...the ones with dc

That's all you need to do to have a meaningfull conversation about why and what to do next.


Back in a few days  I dont know how to offer any more help now  because I need your help, always have.

Lindsay

After you reminded me of that, I went and checked my breadboard. I WAS directly driving the fets... Checked the specs for the TS555CN, and there is why. :)

Astable stable to 2.0 MHZ
Voltage +2 to +16 supply
At +12 supply, has a minimum of 10.5 volts on high output.... this will be even higher at +16.

Here is a link to the datasheet

http://www.alliedelec.com/Images/Products/Datasheets/BM/STMICROELECTRONICS/STMICROELECTRONICS_ACTIVES-AND-PASSIVES_2480062.PDF


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Re: Agentgates´s TPU setup with strange wavehill hump
« Reply #724 on: January 16, 2010, 01:01:01 PM »
...I think the secret may have something to do with the interaction of the expanding and contracting magnetic field loops involved in the 45 degree relative wire offset angle.  There must be some sort of twisting of the loops in order to cause induction on the collector.  Perhaps the response loop can not twist back in the same way, so maybe, it twists 45 degrees in the other direction.  All of this combined twisting and untwisting of magnetic field loops may interact with the (aether, cosmic background energy, vacuum energy, earth E-field, whatever you call it,) in some one-way vortex interaction.  It would be interesting to see an attempt to show these magnetic loop interactions using some software tool.

EDIT:  I had a similar idea almost three years ago.

I missed this earlier post:

...You don't have to catch fields at certain angles or periods of skipping where windings touch at oblique angles. Clear? There is nothing new or strange about Smiths or Dollards configurations...

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Re: Agentgates´s TPU setup with strange wavehill hump
« Reply #724 on: January 16, 2010, 01:01:01 PM »
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Re: Agentgates´s TPU setup with strange wavehill hump
« Reply #725 on: January 16, 2010, 01:25:16 PM »
Thank you for posting this Rosphere
G K's[Giant Killer] Comments would surely be interesting here!

He is definitely nipping at the heals of understanding
and might already have caught / cornered this elusive beast
The one that hides in and around the wire's  :o :o :o

      I believe G K will tame this Beast as others have !!             
                  And he will share, unlike others have

Tony knows this!!

open source or nothing Tony!!

thats just the way our world is right now,has been that way a LONG time
Money corrupts just look at the silk road in China "5000 yrs"
We will be kept in bondage

UNLESS ;D ;D ;D    ;D ;D ;D     ;D ;D ;D

WE GOT A WORM BOYS
 no more silk/oil road

Tony knows this too!!

Chet
PS
I think I'll take a ride in the country with my wife
Maybe stop and see that fellow who's patenting his magnet motor
Landon I think
See how patenting is working out for him [would be a 1st]
« Last Edit: January 16, 2010, 02:42:50 PM by ramset »

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Re: Agentgates´s TPU setup with strange wavehill hump
« Reply #726 on: January 16, 2010, 06:52:26 PM »
@ all replycators  maybe when using the imagination how the magnetic fields travel along the primaries then cutting the secondairies. this may help understanding the theory around this.
Regards,

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Re: Agentgates´s TPU setup with strange wavehill hump
« Reply #726 on: January 16, 2010, 06:52:26 PM »
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Re: Agentgates´s TPU setup with strange wavehill hump
« Reply #727 on: January 17, 2010, 07:32:27 AM »
I read the first few posts by Agentgates,  and noticed the photos were liked to the text.

Did I miss something, or is this more of the same bull shit?

I thought somebody had achieved OVERUNITY results and was disclosing something of substance by applying for the prize.  I guess not.

EM

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Re: Agentgates´s TPU setup with strange wavehill hump
« Reply #728 on: January 17, 2010, 08:28:15 AM »
Yeah nothing here EM .

Just somebody looking for attention .

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Re: Agentgates´s TPU setup with strange wavehill hump
« Reply #728 on: January 17, 2010, 08:28:15 AM »
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Re: Agentgates´s TPU setup with strange wavehill hump
« Reply #729 on: January 17, 2010, 11:35:57 AM »
EM
No BS, Life is much to short for that,The level of Nasty can really bum some folks out [most]
And I agree with what you said on darkspeeds thread
Diversify

No stone unturned.
WE will find this little beast and learn how to tame it.
of that I am certain!!
Its already been done, many times in many ways.

That will be the difference here [in this forum]
It won't be a secret.

As we all know Secrets suck,they don't change anything
And whatever happens here will not be secret.
@ All
You have something good to say 
something you found as a result of Tony's Coil design /research
please Post it!!

@Dankie

Hows things??

Chet

PS
Diversity will be temporary

We all know the Talent and desire that is here [in this forum]

When someone corners this beast

there will be a great FOCUS

No secrets
 [thats where this beast hides ,smoke filled rooms,lies, deceit  secret handshakes etc..]

« Last Edit: January 17, 2010, 12:02:21 PM by ramset »

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Re: Agentgates´s TPU setup with strange wavehill hump
« Reply #730 on: January 17, 2010, 11:36:04 AM »
Ok  Captain Caveman here.

I had tried my coil that I posted a pic of earlier in this thread quite a bit with my primitive power supply and magnetic oscillators and never saw any voltage on the secondary, not a peep.
So I decided to put it down and wait to see the easy setup from Gates.  It aint gunna happen

But today, I thought to try an led on the secondary. My secondary is inside the inner and outer primaries, like we were told to do in the beginning. So I also thought to try an outer primary too, Well, they both light leds, together, at the same time. So inside, outside, it dont matter much. But heres the thing, my inner primary has many many wraps, but my outer is only less that 3 turns, and both leds are just as bright.
Heres a vid, So grab a box of captain crunch and check out how to do it Cave Man style.
It isnt putting out 150 watts, But Cavebaby  got some stone age results.  Ok back to the cave.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vOMzSpPHFo0

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Re: Agentgates´s TPU setup with strange wavehill hump
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Re: Agentgates´s TPU setup with strange wavehill hump
« Reply #731 on: January 17, 2010, 03:04:56 PM »
Cave guy

Nice coil
thanks for the movie and experiments
and showing how to experiment on a budget[very cool]
Will watch again while I drink my coffee

Thanks
Chet

PS   You have many skills Grass Hopper
What are the specs on your Coil?

And a sexy close up would be nice


« Last Edit: January 17, 2010, 04:16:39 PM by ramset »

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Re: Agentgates´s TPU setup with strange wavehill hump
« Reply #732 on: January 17, 2010, 04:58:35 PM »
Super Good job Captain Caveman.

Thank you for sharing your video.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vOMzSpPHFo0

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Re: Agentgates´s TPU setup with strange wavehill hump
« Reply #733 on: January 17, 2010, 08:26:03 PM »
Hi
On the picture below (ostatnia_proba_tony_tpu.jpg) you can see probably the brightest lamp in this thread (this is car bulb 12V 21W) and it is shining with its full brightness...

But don't be excited. I have made many measurements of Tony's setup and my conclusion is: this ain't TPU.

Setup from the picture description:
1. 124mm diameter paper tube, two control coils of about 70 turns each and 45 degrees. Both coils wound all around the tube.
2. Collector wound around all of this, as seen on the picture. About 20 turns (now when writing this, I'm in another place) of ~1.5mm copper wire.
3. Control coils driven independently with circuits similar to the one from my first post.
4. Source of 50% duty cycle square wave is a generator capable of generating up to 4 independent, galvanically isolated signals in wide range of frequencies up to few MHz. Apart of that, it is possible to synchronize all signals and to set desired phase shift. Maximum power is achieved while phase shift of second signal is 0 degrees or/and frequency is a multiplication of the first one.
5. Input power is about 100W, and output about 20W


Now I will briefly write here, what has been done.

1. I was investigating output waveform presented in my post on page 37. Looking at the voltage measured across the control coil, showed that there is bad oscillation after falling edge of input signal. I made a A class push-pull MOSFET amplifier (picture wzmacniacz.jpg), that is able to drive coils with no oscillation, providing up to 25Vpp and slopes 160V/us (very fast). I was very surprised, when I connected it to the coil. Indeed, there were no oscillation on the input signal, but also the output signal changed to the square wave of bad shape (picture protokaty.jpg). Driving the coil with a sine wave provided low level sinusoidal output. In both cases the bulb was shining, but very barely. Conclusion from this point is that oscillation and spikes occurring while driving with single MOSFET are needed to achieve big spikes on the secondary, and because of transforming input wave shape to output, it seemed to act as a regular transformer (of low efficiency due to lack of the core)

2. I wound second control coil, as described above. Have been playing with that  setup quite a long time, changing frequencies, phases, voltages. Everything I did confirmed regular transformer thesis. Actually Tony's setup can be described as two coils on the same axis, while the primary coil is working with half of its efficiency because of its 45 degrees winding. Its field has two components: vertical and horizontal, and this vertical component couples with secondary coil.

3. This device is no orientation dependent, no vibration, no other weird effects. Putting an iron core inside boost up efficiency. While having more output power, it is seen that output waveforms are not DC pulses. It is AC with short positive spike and long but low level negative part. Energies positive and negative seems to be equal. Driving it with pure square or sine wave shows that very clearly.

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Now I will go back to research of TPU as described in Steven Mark's letters. Maybe some of you will prove Tony's setup is a TPU or OU device of some other kind. The words I wrote today are only my personal research conclusion.

Marek

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Re: Agentgates´s TPU setup with strange wavehill hump
« Reply #734 on: January 17, 2010, 09:19:36 PM »
Thanks Dudes
I need a scope and looking now. The coil is like AG said to go for in the first place, as in the primary angles. I posted a pic earlier Ill post it here. 28ga wire for pri and sec.

I had tried to just send the bemf pulse from the osc directly to the coil but storing a few in a cap then dumping is better. I just had to try some of these things I had learned from pulse motor experience.

Uggh, me makes powa!  ahh, me get MTV on scope?  Ooooo ooo OOOooo!

Very nice Bebo  Im still going to play with this more.

Magscave

 

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