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Offline resonanceman

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Re: Hairpin Project
« Reply #75 on: January 06, 2010, 07:16:17 PM »
@resonanceman

     In good time.  ;)  Take a Tesla pancake coil and set it on its side.  Look at it.  What you have is a very short conductor with a huge cross section and surface area.   When the haripin coil is placed so that its magnetic field disruption intersects the superthin large diameter  and surface area conductor you get the most bang for the buck.  Positive on top of the conductor negative on the bottom.  Lots of polarization of charge.   Electrons dont have to go too far before they find themselves on a capacitor plate.  Just head towards the end of the conductor they are in already.


Sparks

I Like  the idea

I will test it as soon as I have some indication of radiant energy.

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Re: Hairpin Project
« Reply #75 on: January 06, 2010, 07:16:17 PM »

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Re: Hairpin Project
« Reply #76 on: January 06, 2010, 07:23:43 PM »
can someone please post a newer circuit diagram of the device in question

Jadaro

I am working on it.

I am working from  related knowledge , videos and theories right now.

According to the video  Jeanna posted  a drawing is on page 128 of one of the books I have on the way.

I will redraw that picture  and post it when I get it.


gary

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Re: Hairpin Project
« Reply #77 on: January 06, 2010, 09:08:29 PM »
I have came  up with a theory of what is  going on with the  hairpin circuit and radiant energy in general.

To start I would like to point out a recurring theme in the physical .
An  atom  has a nucleus with atoms rotating around it.
If we change  the names  we can  see the  same structure in other places
If  we call the nucleas a central mass   and  the  electrons  simply  objects orbiting  the central mass ....then our solar system looks like an atom  .......the earth and moon look a lot like a  hydrogen atom
The  galaxy is said to  have a black hole in its center .,,,,,,,if so......it too looks like  an atom...... a very complex atom  but it is still  a central mass with objects rotating  around it.

Is it not  conceivable that this  recurring  structure extends at least one level smaller than we can see?
What if  electrons  have a central mass  and  objects orbiting it?

My theory  is  that this is in fact true
The electrons of electrons are small enough to have  no measurable  mass  I believe that they are comprise what Bearden calls displacement current.

Like  the  electrons  of  the atoms  these electrons  stay put in their orbits  for the most part but  like the electrons  of atoms they also  can  be moved from  atom to atom.



Radiant energy is illusive because it is the  second order of electricity
The first order  is easy for  us to see.
The  second order comes into play  after the first order is put into play.
The  second order is usually obscured by the first order....... normal electricity


Because  this  energy  is of the second level.......current has been induced  from  the atoms  then the electrons this energy could be thought  of as hyper electricity
It would   be very  active
It would  recombine  with electrons  quickly once  the impulse  that pushed it out  of its orbits was removed.
In other words  it has to be kept moving  and  under pressure  all the time .......if it slows down ........it recombines with an atom

In practical term this means that   the hyper  electricity  is hyper  affected by  resistance  and  impedance........anything that slows it down kills the effect.
That is  why  good quality rods are needed  on the hairpin .....in fact   all the  conductors should be  large and  good quality.   The  actual secondary of  a JT  ( assuming  we get a JT to power  a hairpin ) should  be relatively heavy wire ....butr because it is where  the  hyper  electrons  are to be booted from there orbits they  should be under enough  presure to  keep going.
The  wire  between the  coil and the  isolation caps should be heavy
The  caps themselves should  be heavy .....I am thinking  of  plates of copper.
Because   the hyper electrons  have a high amplitude  and  no mass they pass through caps much more easily than normal  electricity ..... this is why  the isolation  caps  of the  hairpin  can provide it  with  an easy  path.



It looks to me like the  greatest  radiant energy  is  at  the lower parts of the rods of the  hairpin.
I believe  that  the  close you get to the rod across the  top the less power is available.......because  the radiant energy can go around  the loop easier than through the load.

One of the videos I watched  told about  the  hairpin  being able to power  a light bulb through very fine  wires....... the wired does not get hot.
I think that this is possible as long  as you have enough amplitude to keep  the hyper electrons in the hyper state   ,,,,,,,, until they start recombining  with atoms  they make no heat.
The relative resistance of the  light bulb slows them down and causes them change to normal electricity



gary



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Re: Hairpin Project
« Reply #77 on: January 06, 2010, 09:08:29 PM »
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Re: Hairpin Project
« Reply #78 on: January 06, 2010, 09:16:27 PM »
Jadaro

I am working on it.

I am working from  related knowledge , videos and theories right now.

According to the video  Jeanna posted  a drawing is on page 128 of one of the books I have on the way.

I will redraw that picture  and post it when I get it.


gary

Thank you, I think the chilliqueen, jtc, etc will be a good way to power this at lower voltages, I think they can all incorporate rather well.

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Re: Hairpin Project
« Reply #79 on: January 06, 2010, 09:52:56 PM »
Thank you, I think the chilliqueen, jtc, etc will be a good way to power this at lower voltages, I think they can all incorporate rather well.

Jadaro

At first I did not remember that  JT

I have not had time to try it yet.........although  I did  get  the transistrors  for it 
I am going to try TIP3055  and TIP2955

in case  someone  else  does not remember
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=8564.0

gary
« Last Edit: January 06, 2010, 10:24:00 PM by resonanceman »

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Re: Hairpin Project
« Reply #80 on: January 06, 2010, 11:58:28 PM »
@gary,
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One of the videos I watched  told about  the  hairpin  being able to power  a light bulb through very fine  wires....... the wired does not get hot.
I think that this is possible as long  as you have enough amplitude to keep  the hyper electrons in the hyper state   ,,,,,,,, until they start recombining  with atoms  they make no heat.
The relative resistance of the  light bulb slows them down and causes them change to normal electricity

gary

I like your explanation, Gary.

Just so I am not making a mistake about this term you are using,
by amplitude, do you mean the height of the voltage?
... meaning 1400v has higher amplitude than 400v??

thank you,

jeanna

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Re: Hairpin Project
« Reply #81 on: January 07, 2010, 12:20:46 AM »
@gary,I like your explanation, Gary.

Just so I am not making a mistake about this term you are using,
by amplitude, do you mean the height of the voltage?
... meaning 1400v has higher amplitude than 400v??

thank you,

jeanna

Jeanna

yes

 I did not want to use voltage  because it is  a term  used for normal electrricity

gary

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Re: Hairpin Project
« Reply #82 on: January 07, 2010, 12:34:46 AM »
I'm a greatly embarrassed to ask this, but can someone please post a newer circuit diagram of the device in question - I know this is supposed to be a prototyping thread, but the original circuit diagram is cryptic - there have been modern replications, but the details still elude me.

I think it would favor the idea to post a newer one.

No, but a quick look told me there is not one here yet so I am going to post Tesla's now.
I think it is really clear, but I am non linear so spatial pix are good for me.
Sorry jadaro, but here is the one drawn by Tesla.

3 ways to do this circuit:
the generator G is at the bottom of each
this leads to a transformer coil primary (P) which is stepped up to the secondary wires (S) that go to the caps.
The caps (C) do their dance and produce sparks (d and d)
lines b and b1 are the coper lines...

Then there are 3 different configurations for performing tests :
1- a spark at the top
2- no bar or discharge across the top
3- a bar across the top
jeanna

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Re: Hairpin Project
« Reply #83 on: January 07, 2010, 12:37:21 AM »
Thank you, I think the chilliqueen, jtc, etc will be a good way to power this at lower voltages, I think they can all incorporate rather well.

Jadaro   

I just got caught up on the chiliqueen circuit .

Not sure why you  recomended  it other than the SEC wireless video
The wireless stuff is impressive ......but I do not really understand  his  circuits .......
It clearly is wireless.........but is it radiant  energy?
I did not see anything that even gave me a hint about how it could fit into my  theory ........ but then again.....my theory could be dead wrong ...... We won't know until it is applied to actual circuits.

Come to think about it ......my theory  has nothing about transmiting  radiant energy......and at this point I have no clue about it.

gary

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Re: Hairpin Project
« Reply #83 on: January 07, 2010, 12:37:21 AM »
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Re: Hairpin Project
« Reply #84 on: January 07, 2010, 01:01:33 AM »
No, but a quick look told me there is not one here yet so I am going to post Tesla's now.
I think it is really clear, but I am non linear so spatial pix are good for me.
Sorry jadaro, but here is the one drawn by Tesla.

jeanna

Thanks Jeanna

I think that is the picture that I was  going to redraw.
It flashed on the screen for a half second or so........ I recognized it
I have seen it before.

What I remember about the picture is I tried to  figure it  out years ago  when I was looking over Teslas patents ......I had absolutely no idea what it was about.
:)


Now........if my theory is  correct......it is simple and straight forward.

I am tempted to  try building one  with a MOT  ( using AC from the line ).......but MOTs  have nothing to prevent  overloads.......so I could  end up with  a red hot smoking high voltage mess real fast

I think I will wait a while........maybe learn a bit more first


gary

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Re: Hairpin Project
« Reply #85 on: January 07, 2010, 01:09:41 AM »
I have came  up with a theory of what is  going on with the  hairpin circuit and radiant energy in general.

To start I would like to point out a recurring theme in the physical .
An  atom  has a nucleus with atoms rotating around it.
If we change  the names  we can  see the  same structure in other places
If  we call the nucleas a central mass   and  the  electrons  simply  objects orbiting  the central mass ....then our solar system looks like an atom  .......the earth and moon look a lot like a  hydrogen atom
The  galaxy is said to  have a black hole in its center .,,,,,,,if so......it too looks like  an atom...... a very complex atom  but it is still  a central mass with objects rotating  around it.

Is it not  conceivable that this  recurring  structure extends at least one level smaller than we can see?
What if  electrons  have a central mass  and  objects orbiting it?

My theory  is  that this is in fact true
The electrons of electrons are small enough to have  no measurable  mass  I believe that they are comprise what Bearden calls displacement current.

Like  the  electrons  of  the atoms  these electrons  stay put in their orbits  for the most part but  like the electrons  of atoms they also  can  be moved from  atom to atom.



Radiant energy is illusive because it is the  second order of electricity
The first order  is easy for  us to see.
The  second order comes into play  after the first order is put into play.
The  second order is usually obscured by the first order....... normal electricity


Because  this  energy  is of the second level.......current has been induced  from  the atoms  then the electrons this energy could be thought  of as hyper electricity
It would   be very  active
It would  recombine  with electrons  quickly once  the impulse  that pushed it out  of its orbits was removed.
In other words  it has to be kept moving  and  under pressure  all the time .......if it slows down ........it recombines with an atom

In practical term this means that   the hyper  electricity  is hyper  affected by  resistance  and  impedance........anything that slows it down kills the effect.
That is  why  good quality rods are needed  on the hairpin .....in fact   all the  conductors should be  large and  good quality.   The  actual secondary of  a JT  ( assuming  we get a JT to power  a hairpin ) should  be relatively heavy wire ....butr because it is where  the  hyper  electrons  are to be booted from there orbits they  should be under enough  presure to  keep going.
The  wire  between the  coil and the  isolation caps should be heavy
The  caps themselves should  be heavy .....I am thinking  of  plates of copper.
Because   the hyper electrons  have a high amplitude  and  no mass they pass through caps much more easily than normal  electricity ..... this is why  the isolation  caps  of the  hairpin  can provide it  with  an easy  path.



It looks to me like the  greatest  radiant energy  is  at  the lower parts of the rods of the  hairpin.
I believe  that  the  close you get to the rod across the  top the less power is available.......because  the radiant energy can go around  the loop easier than through the load.

One of the videos I watched  told about  the  hairpin  being able to power  a light bulb through very fine  wires....... the wired does not get hot.
I think that this is possible as long  as you have enough amplitude to keep  the hyper electrons in the hyper state   ,,,,,,,, until they start recombining  with atoms  they make no heat.
The relative resistance of the  light bulb slows them down and causes them change to normal electricity



gary

Gary:

I too share your thoughts on this.  Back in college (way back) in a chemistry class I was embarrassed by the professor when I answered one of his questions by comparing the universe to the structure of an atom.  He just about laughed me out of the classroom and said that was the most ridiculous comparison he had ever had the privilege of hearing.

Now, here I am years later and, knowing a lot more now than I did then, I still think that is a valid possibility. Nature has a structure.  Why would it change?

Also, your posit of continuing the structure down beyond what we now know is also a good one.  An electron is a particle.  OK.  We know that other forms of matter are made up of a nucleus with various items in orbit around it.  It makes PERFECT sense to me that if we could break down an electron, or any other particle of that size, that we might see a similar type structure of a central unit with items in orbit around them.  I would not be a bit surprised at all if this were the case.  We were all taught that atoms were the fundamental building blocks of all matter.  (Remember though, first it was molecules and then it was the atom and then the various parts of the atom) What they left out was, they are the most fundamental building blocks that we know of at THIS TIME.

Good thinking on your part Gary. 

Bill

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Re: Hairpin Project
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Re: Hairpin Project
« Reply #86 on: January 07, 2010, 01:16:35 AM »
My idea for the best kind of JT to try this  with would be  a JT that works well on a CFL or Floro tube
That way we have at least 450 V and a little power.

A Jeanna light might work well
I  was thinking of wiring a MOT  as a JT
I also have a couple of  flyback transformer core JTs

gary

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Re: Hairpin Project
« Reply #87 on: January 07, 2010, 01:31:21 AM »
Jadaro   

I just got caught up on the chiliqueen circuit .

Not sure why you  recomended  it other than the SEC wireless video
The wireless stuff is impressive ......but I do not really understand  his  circuits .......
It clearly is wireless.........but is it radiant  energy?
I did not see anything that even gave me a hint about how it could fit into my  theory ........ but then again.....my theory could be dead wrong ...... We won't know until it is applied to actual circuits.

Come to think about it ......my theory  has nothing about transmiting  radiant energy......and at this point I have no clue about it.

gary

I will re-read your theory.

The hairpin circuit is clearly a transmitter though, the waveform may not be ideal, but sending bursts of DC constitutes an AM transmitter.

Through your posts, I can see that you wish to find the receiver rather than the sender, so to speak.  The one and the other seem the same...

You've referred to electrons in an excited state as becoming fluid; I think this is so, also, I would like to add that they may be thought of, with regard to how you have described them, as super-viscous and easier to manipulate.

It's still unclear whether or not the source is AC ..the image Jeanna posted trivializes the device's generator ( which I think is the key to the whole source-idea ); this was done to simplify the patent filing I'm sure.

I want to know ( as well ) what's going on in the capacitors at the base of the rods, and how it's possible to create a difference between the two when their essentially sharing a base via a connecting rod.

The equivalent circuit is an AC source with two capacitor in series, fancy linkage between them, and some strange effects.

( I don't mean to detract by having trivialized the device, admittedly. )

There are some things which we can agree on, ..high voltage, electrons becoming more movable in this state, unusual effects.

If someone could clarify why is this device is able to receive something more than it's transmitting?  ..otherwise it just appears to be creating a unified high voltage field which wants to ground out via attachments ( lights, etc )

and why a spark gap is required, ( is it the back-lash from the collapsing fields in the capacitors causing a non-trivial circuit through the air? )  Perhaps the device reveals what electricity would rather make happen than what what we think it should be under the circumstances which we've derived from the trivial uses we find for it?

I recommended the video, because it was somewhat of a revelation with regard to SEC ( stands for what again? ) circuits.  It was an interesting correlation to see someone transmit the high voltage from point A to B - He used a metal bowl, that's hilarious even.  I saw someone use an aluminum pan the same way. I just wonder if the two circuits are similar in their functionality.

Trying to make sense of dozens of wires dangling all about makes things difficult to see what's hooked up where and in what way.  ( I've only self-registered this complaint though ).  8)

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Re: Hairpin Project
« Reply #88 on: January 07, 2010, 01:39:46 AM »
SEC=Spatial Energy Coherence.

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Re: Hairpin Project
« Reply #89 on: January 07, 2010, 01:49:55 AM »


What I remember about the picture is I tried to  figure it  out years ago  when I was looking over Teslas patents ......I had absolutely no idea what it was about.
:)
I too have learned what I was unable to even begin to understand years ago. These last 3 years have been so wonderful. wow. And, these things that appeared so complex make good sense now.
Quote
Now........if my theory is  correct......it is simple and straight forward.

I am tempted to  try building one  with a MOT  ( using AC from the line ).......but MOTs  have nothing to prevent  overloads.......so I could  end up with  a red hot smoking high voltage mess real fast

I think I will wait a while........maybe learn a bit more first
gary


About the wall power.

I was in a conversation with ian once and what came out from it was this piece of knowledge.
I had asked about the wall wart and amps and what regulated it etc.
He told me that the draw would be whatever the system wanted it to be.
This is when I understood the term "draw".
It will be drawn from the power generators at niagara if it must.

This is why I do not trust the experiments that work with power supplies from the mains power.
If the circuit you (I) have designed needs an enormous draw for a microsec to work, it might appear to work with wall power when it would never work at all from a AAA.

So, yes you might end up with a mess of melted copper, but you might also THINK you have something that you do not.

----
On another edge to the topic, someone posted a nice poster pic of tesla holding the spherical bulb below his turned face... Everyone knows the one.

There are a few things I noticed yesterday when I looked at it.
1- you could never ever do that with a candle... lest you burn your whiskers.
2- the important one... The light produced is very much like the light we are getting from the cfl and tubes we are lighting with HV HFreq.
It is beautifully bright, but there is nothing that pushes the light.
look at that pic sometime and notice how close to the bulb the light is when it dissipates.
 There is a lot of dark background in that picture.

My conclusion is...
I think we are doing really well here.
Lets keep it up!!

thank you,

jeanna

 

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