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Offline resonanceman

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Re: Hairpin Project
« Reply #60 on: January 06, 2010, 03:17:11 AM »
Actually loner,
If you don't mind I would like to know more precisely to what you are referring.

1- How are you making an EM boost on the quench field.
And what is the quench field?

2- How do you force a field between two already formed fields?

3- What method are you using to measure your tuning via EM strength?

4-  please identify the "shorted" loop and the "isolation caps"

thank you,

jeanna

I  think I will take  a shot at some of those questrions

Loner ......please correct me if I am wrong


Tesla  used  magnets  to force his  spark gaps to quench  faster.
Loner  is using  an electromagnet for a similar function.
(Great idea  )  :)


The  shorted loo[p is the 2 bars of the hairpin  when the top bar is in place ....the top bar shorts  the 2 vertical bars forming  a loop.

The isolation caps are the things " stuck " to the bottoms of the vertical rods

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I have a question........

Does anyone  have  any theorys about why  the top bar  does not short out  the radiant energy? 

I remember  a comment  about  how the vertical bars  have to be heavy and that the bars are not a place to scriomp.

I also remember   in a Bedini  circuit  a particular wire had to be heavy ti carry the radiant energy.

It seems  that  radiant energy  is  sensitive to resistance ........ but  that does not make sense if it will travel through  everything with no losses.

Unless........ it has 2 forms....... transmitted  and  conducted ...... for lack of better names


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I just ordered  these books

Lost Science (GBC) - Gerry Vassilatos

The Inventions,
Researches, and Writings of
Nikola Tesla

Both books were mentioned  in the  palsness video in Jeannas post.

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does anyone  know  what kind of caps the isolatioon caps at the bottoms of the rods are?

Are they door nob caps?
Any idea on the voltage rating?


gary

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Re: Hairpin Project
« Reply #60 on: January 06, 2010, 03:17:11 AM »

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Re: Hairpin Project
« Reply #61 on: January 06, 2010, 03:43:11 AM »
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You should check it out it is an awesome read. Highly recommended. He later founf that he did not need the transmitter and the radiant energy was readily available using the receivers he developed in his last days and that was what he used to power the Peirce Arrow electric car.
This is what I am very interested in. As you can imagine it would be a highly suppressed idea.


Magluvin

I had never heard that Tesla had developed a  reciever that did not need a tranmitter ....... finding out how he did that would  be my ultimate goal..........but there is alot I have to learn  before I even think  about building something like that .......

gary

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Re: Hairpin Project
« Reply #62 on: January 06, 2010, 03:47:11 AM »
  Faraday tells us that the faster we change the magnetic field around a conductor the higher the induced voltage.
The more massive the conductor being effected by the magnetic field disruption than the more polarization of the charge or the more voltage appearing on the ends of that conductor.
In other words if you are going through the effort of changing the magnetic field about a conductor you might as well get your moneys worth and make sure your magnetic field shifting is effecting the most mass of the conductor as you can. If you make sure your magnetic disruption or field winding influences a large conductor and the only current that flows is outside the alternator conductors than your impedance is real low.  Alternators are not configured like this.  To increase the mass of copper under the influence of a changing magnetic field they put one end of a loop in one slot and then bend it over and put it in another slot going the other way.  Then bring it back to the first slot and over and over until we have a coil built up.  So what happens is when current flows in the load circuit internal currents flow in the alternator coil.  A bucking magnetic field is created and the engine has to work harder to cause the magnetic field changes due to the Lenz effect  (not law mind you effect).  Dumb just plain old dumb.
« Last Edit: January 06, 2010, 04:33:22 AM by sparks »

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Re: Hairpin Project
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Re: Hairpin Project
« Reply #63 on: January 06, 2010, 04:00:26 AM »
 
jeanna i keep trying to tell you how it works and to show all the effects but you want to complicate it

it works by EMF and MMF relation to each as a part of the matter make up a hairpin circuit is a capacitive generator in pure form to plates are mounted on a disc and two plates are stationary charge the plates dc with high voltage commutator the shaft plates out to a long flouresent tube and rotate the plates bubbles of light will appear in the tube no power is drawn just moved open the circuit and it will creat so much drag it will stall a motor other effects are able to be demonstrated as well what you want is standing current on moving voltage this is the last time i will write about this.

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Re: Hairpin Project
« Reply #64 on: January 06, 2010, 04:59:32 AM »

jeanna i keep trying to tell you how it works and to show all the effects but you want to complicate it

it works by EMF and MMF relation to each as a part of the matter make up a hairpin circuit is a capacitive generator in pure form to plates are mounted on a disc and two plates are stationary charge the plates dc with high voltage commutator the shaft plates out to a long flouresent tube and rotate the plates bubbles of light will appear in the tube no power is drawn just moved open the circuit and it will creat so much drag it will stall a motor other effects are able to be demonstrated as well what you want is standing current on moving voltage this is the last time i will write about this.

nueview

Would  you like to see technology like we deal  with on this site  grow>

Would you like to see this kind of  stuff go mainstream?

If  you do   I would  suggest  that you  be paitant with Jeanna.
She  thinks in details .........she  doesn't  understand   until the pieces fit together.

Why would it be  good for you to be patient?
When  Jeanna  gets it ...........she  really gets it .........and she will
Translate what you teach her into  words that everyone here can understand.
Her  ability to grasp the concept then explain it clearly  is  a big part  of the success of the JT thread.

gary



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Re: Hairpin Project
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Offline resonanceman

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Re: Hairpin Project
« Reply #65 on: January 06, 2010, 05:26:04 AM »
Sparks
Wouldn't it be even  better  to make  the small wire bifilar and connect  the the start of one wire with the end of the other.......just like  we do with JTs
I have found  that when a coil is wound like this and  receives an impulse  the  current in each wire  support eachother

I believe  if your coil was bifilar you would have a Tesla  pancake coil


gary




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Re: Hairpin Project
« Reply #66 on: January 06, 2010, 05:49:15 AM »
I do not know what you mean by "drive" a hairpin.
Please explain.
thank you,

jeanna

Jeanna

A circuit needs  enough  energy to  get  the job done

If  you do not  have enough energy to drive  a  new secondary on a JT  that  secondary  acts as a choke.

I believe that the  hairpin  in the  video  in the link you provided  was driven  by a high voltage tramsformer


gary

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Re: Hairpin Project
« Reply #67 on: January 06, 2010, 05:57:28 AM »
Oh ok.
I was not sure if the drive was being accomplished by the caps or the spark .

But, you say it was neither.
It was driven by the wall mains power through a high voltage transformer.

Thank you.

jeanna

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Re: Hairpin Project
« Reply #68 on: January 06, 2010, 06:55:56 AM »
Oh ok.
I was not sure if the drive was being accomplished by the caps or the spark .

But, you say it was neither.
It was driven by the wall mains power through a high voltage transformer.

Thank you.

jeanna

Jeanna

I didn't mean to say it was neither

everything in the circuit is driven by something.

I was trying to answer  the question in the context  it was asked.

The idea was to try to replace the transformer and sparkgap with a JT

That is why  I mentioned  the transformer

In the conventional  hairpin  as I understand it  .....the transformer drives the  sparkgap........the pulses from the spark gap drive the caps



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I tried a few expermentrs  with the pancake  coils I made back  on the earth battery thread......
I tried to see  if they would act like your conical

no luck yet

gary





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Re: Hairpin Project
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Re: Hairpin Project
« Reply #69 on: January 06, 2010, 07:19:58 AM »


The idea was to try to replace the transformer and sparkgap with a JT
exactly.
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That is why  I mentioned  the transformer
In the conventional  hairpin  as I understand it  .....the transformer drives the  sparkgap........the pulses from the spark gap drive the caps
I will read it again.
I thought the induction coil made the high voltage which 'fills' the caps which make the sparks.



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I tried a few expermentrs  with the pancake  coils I made back  on the earth battery thread......
I tried to see  if they would act like your conical

I have thought about them a lot.
If the smallest part of the cone is the most energetic which I believe it is, then the fact that it works best with the toroid 'hanging' on the tip makes me think the cone shape is essential.

Tesla made wardencliff in a cone shape and the pancake patents were about the radiant sending and receiving units (wardencliff) , I put them together to mean the pancake was never flat. It was just projected flat on the page but was in fact a cone.

The really interesting thing I just re-realized is that the receiving end is turned the reverse direction from  the sending cone. (Someone just mentioned it.)
I just saw that when I made an hourglass and made the 2 coils wound in the opposite way it snuffed out the voltage.
Now, this fact makes a lot of sense to me.

If the receiver coil is wound in the reverse way it should kill it when it is added to the sending side. HA It received the volts right there on the sending unit!

I will wind a new hourglass some day if this never gets far enough.

thank you,

jeanna

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Re: Hairpin Project
« Reply #70 on: January 06, 2010, 01:55:17 PM »
@resonanceman

     In good time.  ;)  Take a Tesla pancake coil and set it on its side.  Look at it.  What you have is a very short conductor with a huge cross section and surface area.   When the haripin coil is placed so that its magnetic field disruption intersects the superthin large diameter  and surface area conductor you get the most bang for the buck.  Positive on top of the conductor negative on the bottom.  Lots of polarization of charge.   Electrons dont have to go too far before they find themselves on a capacitor plate.  Just head towards the end of the conductor they are in already.

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Re: Hairpin Project
« Reply #71 on: January 06, 2010, 05:35:54 PM »
I'm a greatly embarrassed to ask this, but can someone please post a newer circuit diagram of the device in question - I know this is supposed to be a prototyping thread, but the original circuit diagram is cryptic - there have been modern replications, but the details still elude me.

I think it would favor the idea to post a newer one.

Additionally, the idea of textual content of patents is to be able to 'see' the device without the use of pictures.  If a patent fails to materialize in the mind, then it shouldn't be patented ( and the author should consider outsourcing the description to a more knowledgeable diction of the subject matter at hand ).  Patents were created back in the days when images were hand drawn, copies were hard to come by, and textual information was the primary mode of long distance communication.

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Re: Hairpin Project
« Reply #72 on: January 06, 2010, 06:50:23 PM »
exactly.I will read it again.
I thought the induction coil made the high voltage which 'fills' the caps which make the sparks.





Jeanna

Yes........the caps will be filling  as the voltage rises
However at this point  the caps are not needed.

If we  do not have enough power to drive  the voltage high enough  to cause  it to jump the spark  gap .......nothing happens

If we remove  the caps from the circuit   the voltage will rise  faster and jump the gap sooner........but then it is done.......

The function of the caps  are to isolate the rods of the hairpin  from  the majority of the " normal " electricity and  to give the radiant energy  an easy path to follow

For " normal " electricity  the caps work as  current limiting caps. They stop MOST of the normal electricity......the  bar across the top shorts out the rest.

gary

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Re: Hairpin Project
« Reply #73 on: January 06, 2010, 06:59:23 PM »
The more massive the conductor being effected by the magnetic field disruption than the more polarization of the charge or the more voltage appearing on the ends of that conductor.


I have been thinking  about this.
Perhaps this is a reason  the Gray conversion tube has plates instead of wires.
I have just learned that capacitance is important  with radiant energy..... plates would have much more capacitance than  wires

gary

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Re: Hairpin Project
« Reply #74 on: January 06, 2010, 07:09:45 PM »

I just saw that when I made an hourglass and made the 2 coils wound in the opposite way it snuffed out the voltage.
Now, this fact makes a lot of sense to me.



Jeanna

did  you try reversing  the connections on the second coil ?

gary

 

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