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Offline onthecuttingedge2005

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Re: Hairpin Project
« Reply #45 on: January 05, 2010, 08:32:02 AM »
you have to have about 1 amp to stop the heart, there is a trade off on HV electricity, raising the voltage causes the amperage to drop, decrease the amperage and the voltage rises. for transformers.

this is not the case for Lightning which contains 'both' high voltage and high ampers. it is totally bad ass.

Jerry ;)


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« Reply #46 on: January 05, 2010, 08:47:52 AM »
Sorry Resonanceman, I suppose I am in the wrong thread. If you have any questions or comments, Spark me out at a Tesla thread, for now I will quench my sparks there.  I like where things were heading.

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Re: Hairpin Project
« Reply #47 on: January 05, 2010, 09:02:48 AM »
Magluvin,

Jenna is right - spark gap should be replaced by better make&break controller.
Tesla's own path was : first spark gap,then spark gap quenched,then multiple spark gap in series,then rotary interrupter then rotary mercury interrupter then special vacuum tube.
Every sound or light emanating from make&break controller is a waste.

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Offline Magluvin

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« Reply #48 on: January 05, 2010, 09:50:42 AM »
Forest
Actually I thought we were looking for the better spark gap earlier. I did some very quick research in surge suppression and spike collectors just after coming to the conclusion that those just may be the lil buggers that we are looking for, especially prepared, calibrated, high voltage rated, high current little zap zaps. Even you mentioned a capgap. Is that not an improvement? Or is it a step backwards from what you just posted?
To some my ideas and findings will be shut down and put down. Bah, so what. I made a couple friends. And a couple critics. This place is full of that. I wont know who they are till they bark or wag their tail.
I made a single comment here to Resman and it went from there. It seemed to go well and my thoughts and ideas were accepted. I was happy with the little progress toward a common goal,  a goal set here in THIS thread before I arrived.
I am all about making it better. Its the way I work. I will not step backwards till I know it is necessary.
So if your previous post is earnest, then your suggestion of a capgap should be an honest improvement over a spark gap that Tesla used and accepted of that, as Resman and I have taken it, And in an instant we jumped further than that to make things better. And maybe a zener diode or series of diodes that make that gap silent and unidirectional would work as well. Cannot say at this time, its just an idea. Im full of them. My cup overflows.
There are many that do not and WILL not accept the Tesla ideas that I present. Ask Tito, he cant get anyone to see what he sees. The walls are big and strong. Most dont have the initiative look to the otherside,  they are satisfied with the walls just the way they are. They expect him to tear them down for them, since they see that he is good at it.
I am fine with how things are and I will go on.

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« Reply #49 on: January 05, 2010, 10:41:45 AM »
Loner
Thanks for the post. Very interesting idea. Can you refer me to that thread you speak of on the subject?
And thanks again for the positive view. =]

Mags

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Offline forest

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« Reply #50 on: January 05, 2010, 10:53:59 AM »
Sorry,I was not clear ,maybe because it's not all clear to me either.I meant "capgap"  isa capacitor which could be charged only one way, unidirectional, non-symmetrical like electrolytic one OR a circuit with diodes or other elements around normal capacitor to make capacitor discharge  unidirectional DC impulse !
Sort of replacing large DC battery with small but a lot faster DC CAPACITOR or DC LC circuit.
Man,that one single issue took years for Tesla to realize and he never said about it !
Tesla experimented with high frequency AC in 1890 but in 1895 he really understood radiant energy (that year his laboratory was burned !)
What do you trying to do with spark gap ? You will have plenty of oscillations and alternations in spark gap producing a wide range of EM radiation and sound.Is this what you would like to have ?

Do no trust me, trust Tesla !

Read this http://www.tfcbooks.com/tesla/nt_on_ac.htm#A7 and tell me what do you think...


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« Reply #51 on: January 05, 2010, 10:58:08 AM »
The final frontier...here are the voyagers of  shockwaves...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eKPrGxB1Kzc

would it be possible with simple alternations  like those producing a waves after the shark  tail   ? ::)


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Offline Magluvin

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« Reply #52 on: January 05, 2010, 11:06:45 AM »
Forest
Thanks very much for that! ;]  That is good stuff. Im going to dig in later today. Just a quick look over and if you noticed the pancake coils in the transmitter and receiver, they are oppositely wound. I had just read something about that and there it is. Ill find what it was and refer it to you as to the importance of that. ;]
Resman and I asked you earlier what you meant on the capgap but you didnt reply. Now you have. =]

Thanks a lot Forest. Good man.

Magluvin

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Re: Hairpin Project
« Reply #53 on: January 05, 2010, 11:11:37 AM »
Forest
You are surpising me to the end, that was a great vid!  Very!

Thanks for the tail wags. ;]  From here you are held very high on my list of good people.

Magluvin

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« Reply #54 on: January 05, 2010, 07:32:21 PM »
I think those high intensity discharges caused the sensations it does because the voltage is attempting to equalize with anything it finds utilizing a suitable path to do so means grabbing at anything it can - one giant corona discharge.

I had the most bizarre dream about this, someone had suspended a hollow tube below a power line and attached an antenna to the tube, ..there was a massive discharge in the tube and all around it ..everything started turning purple.

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« Reply #55 on: January 05, 2010, 07:47:27 PM »
Jad
Tesla said that it went through glass, copper sheets that he tried to shield himself with. He said it passed through everything. And that is how he knew his power transmitter from 1 tower would be able to be received around the world by his power receivers.
But once he got it to pulse above a certain freq, the pulses were no longer felt.

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« Reply #56 on: January 05, 2010, 07:50:58 PM »
Jad
Read  Free energy secrets of cold electricity  Peter A Lindemann  then you will know   =]

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Offline onthecuttingedge2005

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Re: Hairpin Project
« Reply #57 on: January 05, 2010, 07:57:53 PM »
HAD to butt in again.  Quick info.  To stop the human heart only requires 75mA!   This is the value warned about in EE courses, and though I haven't "Proven" it by stopping a heart, but I have no reason to disbelieve it.

Just an old piece of data I consider important....

Hi Loner.

that is why I said 'About', here is what I said;

you have to have about 1 amp to stop the heart, there is a trade off on HV electricity, raising the voltage causes the amperage to drop, decrease the amperage and the voltage rises. for transformers.

this is not the case for Lightning which contains 'both' high voltage and high amperes. it is totally bad ass.

on average everybodies electrolytes are different, if you lack electrolytes your skin becomes less conductive, it requires more current to electrocute someone with a lack of electrolytes, this is why they sponge your head during an electrocutions.

1 amp is the standard in the electrical value as an Electrician's safety range. at least that is what I recall from the Electrical trade, might be 75mA's but it is rounded off for general safety training.

thanks for the info.
Jerry ;)

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« Reply #58 on: January 05, 2010, 09:58:20 PM »
I don't mean to intrude, but a little thing that was handy in work that I did (and am doing...) was a very small spark gap with electromagnet boost on the quench field.  Most will find this hard to accept, but a neon bulb is a spark gap.  Standard bulb has two wires, that can have a mag field applied.  Forcing a field between two already formed fields causes compression, etc.  Not exactly low voltage, but lower than most "open-air" gaps.  IF you play, tuning via electromagnet strength is what I found easiest, instead of trying to find the "Right" bulb.  You know there is too much "Real" current by lighting, etc, etc, etc.

Just something I came across and thought I should mention.  Also, to avoid HV, always take the output from the Hairpin across the "Shorted" loop, after the "Isolation" caps, regardless of exact design.  Normal HV cannot exist there, so the output is always safe.

Of course, this is old data, previously posted, but I just thought I should re-mention it.  I'll shut up now...
Actually loner,
If you don't mind I would like to know more precisely to what you are referring.

1- How are you making an EM boost on the quench field.
And what is the quench field?

2- How do you force a field between two already formed fields?

3- What method are you using to measure your tuning via EM strength?

4-  please identify the "shorted" loop and the "isolation caps"

thank you,

jeanna

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« Reply #59 on: January 06, 2010, 01:29:31 AM »
Jeanna
It was like I said before.  I know you must not have gotten into it yet, Lindemanns book tells the story and also Secrets of cold war technology. Its DC unidirectional impulse. Quenching the gap kind is kind of like a poor mans super diode. Tesla tried other ways like using air pressure to blow it out. But he ended up with the magnetic way that has the N and S poles near the gap and it strips the electrons from the stream leaving the pure radiant electical potential there. By doing this, any reversal of current in the gap is canceled. This when he really got the full effect to happen. At lower freq than 100 micro sec there were different effects like cool breezes, heightened awareness, effects that caused the whole lab to glow, burning sensations of the skin and face.. Different effects at different pulse freq. At higher freq than 100 micro sec everything was good, no stinging, now glow no breezes. and caused no harm. Now he planned to use that for transmission of power. Some stories claim that he planned on 2 towers, 1 on each end of the earth. But the real deal was just the 1 tower due to the fact that the radiant energy passed through all matter, glass, copper sheets, stone mountains and the earth itself.
You should check it out it is an awesome read. Highly recommended. He later founf that he did not need the transmitter and the radiant energy was readily available using the receivers he developed in his last days and that was what he used to power the Peirce Arrow electric car.
This is what I am very interested in. As you can imagine it would be a highly suppressed idea.

mags

 

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