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Re: Hairpin Project
« Reply #30 on: January 04, 2010, 08:51:25 PM »

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Re: Hairpin Project
« Reply #31 on: January 04, 2010, 09:03:51 PM »
Hi all,
It seems to me we already have something very close.

The jtc with secondary is very close to the hairpin circuit.
If you try to draw your secondary circuit the way tesla drew his I think you will see this.
I have switched over, because it makes such good sense.

If 1.2v going to 2,000 volts at 1.2khz is too low, I am at a loss.
If you cannot figure how to increase it without starting higher, I think you are going to blow yourself up!

Every element you will need in the hairpin circuit is already there, except for the plasma.
And that is easy if you want it.
It is easy to break the circuit open and get some plasma.
This will let you know if breaking the circuit or an additional series inductor is what you need to increase the volts.

AFAIK the only real limit is the original frequency.
It appears to me that the original frequency gets "used up" when you add a load.

Great thread Gary!!

jeanna

btw Karl Palsness did a very nice replication.
This is the short direct version.
http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=Palsness#p/u/4/rDWF50fUoYY
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Re: Hairpin Project
« Reply #32 on: January 04, 2010, 09:25:03 PM »
Hi Jeanna
I suppose, and I had just wrote this in Teslas car thread, that i am more interested in Teslas independent recievers that pulled power without transmitters, after they demolished his tower and lab. He worked with these and eventually got it to run a motor and planned to distribute them to all in his last dream of dreams. It is what he ran the Peirce Arrow with I would say. But what freq and what means was he able to accomplish this? I venture to say that he already had it in his previous receivers and just figured out the tuning for what already existed in natures freq to get it working.
I really dont want sparks and streamers, although it may look cool riding down the road as if the car is spewing white fire all over. Beats neon.
But the idea of Impulse DC spark creating these effects is worth experimenting to get closer to the answers.
The JT, is this AC you are working with?

Mags cap gaps     Still sounds good. =]

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Re: Hairpin Project
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Offline resonanceman

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Re: Hairpin Project
« Reply #33 on: January 04, 2010, 09:25:32 PM »
These look like what we may want, not sure, but they are pre made tiny spark gaps tuned for peak voltages and rated in kilo amps
http://www.circuitprotection.com/gdt.asp

Mags cap gaps


Magluvin

You are good at finding things 

:)

The first gas discharge tube  you found was the one that they tried on the other thread

This one looks better though ....... I would think we would want the one of the largest  we can get  and still have the low DC flash over point  ....this is 75 V    very easy to make  with a JT
The larger size would help  dissipate more heat.
I think these things  are designed for an occasional pulse.......not constant use.

On a larger JT we could try a small cap in front  of the discharge tube  ........it would  add a bit of punch when it reaches 75V


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Re: Hairpin Project
« Reply #34 on: January 04, 2010, 09:30:51 PM »
Punch is a good word for impulse.

Mags gas gap     =]

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Re: Hairpin Project
« Reply #35 on: January 04, 2010, 09:53:47 PM »
Hey forest
I see what you posted. I had seen it before also. But I cannot say it is the same thing for sure. The thing with teslas
way was more pure. He knew that the dc impulse from DC gens were a problem and he knew that a couple other experienced this effect. But he took it and danced with it.  The real key is not to transmit power and receive it, but  to amplify it and make it usable. Tesla many times talked of the "extra coil" and tuning of the spark gap which determined the direction of aetheric energy flow. I really need to study it more, but I have a good basic Idea of what is going on.
Im not really sure Edison had a solid grip on this as Tesla did.
But it is all interesting and it is all valid. And thanks for the cap gap suggestion.  =]  It opened the eyes to other ways.

Mags gas gaps cap bapz

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Re: Hairpin Project
« Reply #36 on: January 04, 2010, 10:17:10 PM »
@mags,
Yes, the joule thief makes pulses measured over time.
This is what Tesla wanted and he made it very clear that the faster the rate of change ( aka the steeper the slope) the better.

He never used the term DC in the writings I have seen.
He used the term AC and meant lots of things by this including "pulsed DC"
His term for DC was "steady" currents.

So, I have called it AC myself, but that was not what I was talking about.
I came to learn that it was pulsed DC that we get from the secondary AND it is pulsed DC that we want.

About the sending and receiving. I think we are trapped at the moment.
We will not be permitted to send the signals that we need to receive to make the replications of thee tesla car etc.
So, we need to keep it all inside so to speak.

I am grateful for all those who want to keep working on this like Dr Stiffler et al, but it needs to stay small and personal for the time.

@Gary,
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I think these things  are designed for an occasional pulse.......not constant use.
I agree with some disappointment.
It still is worth a try if they do not cost too much.

@all,
In one of  Karl Palsness' video he clearly states that the copper bars need to be substantial.
He says you cannot skimp.
He uses a very heavy 'wire' which my hardware store sells for about $2 per foot.

If one of us were to connect this heavy copper to the secondary wires, we would have a very similar aparatus.
We already have the same type of arrangement using the pulses derived from a jt instead of from a spark discharge.

I already have 2 major projects going, but I did buy a thinner gauge of this heavy wire in october, and I could just hook it up and try it.

There is evidently an important difference with the bar attached across the top and not. Karl keeps it across the top but I was unable to hear his reason.

jeanna

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Re: Hairpin Project
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Re: Hairpin Project
« Reply #37 on: January 04, 2010, 11:15:54 PM »
Jeanna
Have you read the Secrets of Cold War Technology? I first read it from Lindemanns excerpts.
Tesla found that charging large caps, DC of course, and discharging them on copper plates, the effect caused a stinging blast across the front of his body and face. Further experiments drew him to the conclusion that the true radiant energy was a release of high tension DC and ac did not cause it. He used a high tension dc generator in his experiments as a source. He used a make and break setup to make repetitive pulse discharges. But the greatest effect was when he used a spark gap that had a large magnet with poles focused across the gap to , what he called , quench the spark in order to strip the electrons from the spark stream as to not allow any currents to jump back across the gap, like a bemf spike. It stated that he abandoned ac once he got into this new dc Impulse ideas. He found that ac did not cause the effect he was producing.  Edisons DC generators when running produced a few thousand volts and when they would hit the switches, the same effect was produced and everything metal produced white spikes. And some that were throwing the switch would be killed by the impulse that occurred. They later used automatic relays to do the job. Teslas Ac generation did not cause this effect. He and Edison fought it out on which was better and safer, as we all have read, and the outcome was clear.
But Tesla was fascinated by this effect and soon abandoned all ac works for this DC impulse effect. He soon mastered it and the tesla coils we know of, are not even his device as we know it today. 2 things distinguish the tesla coil we know of and the real tesla way,  a high tension dc source, and magnetically quenched spark gaps. You can see in some pat. the lil V shapes with n and s on them on wither side of the gaps, and the great use of a generator as a source, as some labeled in polarity. True these devices we have make great sparks and bolts, but he had something else going on. There is so much more also in those books
Its a great read and I highly suggest them. It will change what you know.
Free Energy Secrets of Cold Electricity   Peter Lindemann   and  Secrets of Cold War Technology.

By the way, Are the JT sparks cold to the touch?  =]   

Mags

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Re: Hairpin Project
« Reply #38 on: January 05, 2010, 04:09:28 AM »
MrMags,
I think you misunderstood what I was/am saying.

I have read the Inventions, Researches, and Writings of Nicola Tesla of 1894, a book compiled by a friend of Tesla's which includes transcripts of his excellent lectures.

I do not like spark gaps.
The difficulties tesla outlines are dreadful.
Eric Dollard and P Lindemann made some wonderful replications as did Karl Palsness.
It would make everyone deaf to the human voice.
That sound of the spark gap is extreme noise pollution and at mid range or voice range.
And, imo not something that belongs in a house.
So, if you want to never hear people talking do a lot of work with spark gaps.

I am interested in that little spark gap thing which is enclosed, and I think it would be sweet if it works.

My very earnest hope is that the sharp spikes produced by a good jt secondary circuit will be an adequate solid state copy of the spark gap ...buried in boiled oil and blown away by a magnet.

My lidmotor's jeanna's light replication has about 2,000 volts and makes a spark when the 2 ends of the secondary get near metal of the opposite polarity/ opposite side of the secondary.

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By the way, Are the JT sparks cold to the touch?  =]   
yes, they are.


Which is why I am looking for what to do to make them hot.
So the next thing I make after I light my entire house with AAA batteries, is a heater .
 An induction immersion water heater is what I am thinking about.

The hairpin is a circuit that I believe can be made to work for us, which is why I joined this thread.

thank you,

jeanna

PS
With all that said,
if Gary and the others who have been here today really want to see what a spark gap can do and stick with the spark gap itself and leave the ss thing to another thread, I will back away and peek in every once in a while.

jeanna

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Re: Hairpin Project
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Re: Hairpin Project
« Reply #39 on: January 05, 2010, 04:45:30 AM »
MrMags,
I think you misunderstood what I was/am saying.

I have read the Inventions, Researches, and Writings of Nicola Tesla of 1894, a book compiled by a friend of Tesla's which includes transcripts of his excellent lectures.

I do not like spark gaps.
The difficulties tesla outlines are dreadful.
Eric Dollard and P Lindemann made some wonderful replications as did Karl Palsness.
It would make everyone deaf to the human voice.
That sound of the spark gap is extreme noise pollution and at mid range or voice range.
And, imo not something that belongs in a house.
So, if you want to never hear people talking do a lot of work with spark gaps.

I am interested in that little spark gap thing which is enclosed, and I think it would be sweet if it works.

My very earnest hope is that the sharp spikes produced by a good jt secondary circuit will be an adequate solid state copy of the spark gap ...buried in boiled oil and blown away by a magnet.

My lidmotor's jeanna's light replication has about 2,000 volts and makes a spark when the 2 ends of the secondary get near metal of the opposite polarity/ opposite side of the secondary.
yes, they are.


Which is why I am looking for what to do to make them hot.
So the next thing I make after I light my entire house with AAA batteries, is a heater .
 An induction immersion water heater is what I am thinking about.

The hairpin is a circuit that I believe can be made to work for us, which is why I joined this thread.

thank you,

jeanna

PS
With all that said,
if Gary and the others who have been here today really want to see what a spark gap can do and stick with the spark gap itself and leave the ss thing to another thread, I will back away and peek in every once in a while.

jeanna

Jeanna

I think it would  be great if an unmodified JT could drive  a hairpin.
I am not  convinced  it can happen  but I  would love to be surprised.

I agree with you about the spark gaps ...... but it might be necessary to use them until we can find a way around them.


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Re: Hairpin Project
« Reply #40 on: January 05, 2010, 04:57:33 AM »
does anyone here know how to test the power of  something like  a hairpin  to make  sure it is radiant energy?

I mean  without  electrocuting  anyone

If  a JT does put out  a spike  with enough  rate of change to drive a hairpin with no spark gap.......my best  shot is  using  a MOT as a JT

I don't have a meter that can read the voltage  I got  when I tried it before...... 

gary

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Re: Hairpin Project
« Reply #41 on: January 05, 2010, 05:05:25 AM »
@gary

First i must stress the point that you can kill your self with that idea, studying the hair pin circuit without a spark gap is needed first because how else can you know how it works , before thinking of modification .

In the demonstration , it is clearly said that without the spark gap , just high voltage will kill you ...

Mark

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Re: Hairpin Project
« Reply #42 on: January 05, 2010, 05:13:25 AM »

I think it would  be great if an unmodified JT could drive  a hairpin.
I am not  convinced  it can happen  but I  would love to be surprised.


I do not know what you mean by "drive" a hairpin.
Please explain.
thank you,

jeanna

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Re: Hairpin Project
« Reply #43 on: January 05, 2010, 05:18:47 AM »
@gary

First i must stress the point that you can kill your self with that idea, studying the hair pin circuit without a spark gap is needed first because how else can you know how it works , before thinking of modification .

In the demonstration , it is clearly said that without the spark gap , just high voltage will kill you ...



Mark

Mark

Yes I know

That is why I was asking  for a way to be sure of the difference

Even with a spark gap we stil need a way to make sure that we have radiant energy  not  hot energy ....... because something might not be working  quite right

gary

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Re: Hairpin Project
« Reply #44 on: January 05, 2010, 05:47:48 AM »
In the demonstration , it is clearly said that without the spark gap , just high voltage will kill you ...

Also in the demonstration, Karl grabs hold of both sides and says, "but see? this is ok."
AND that is when the bar across the top is in place.

It was that way throughout the (5 part)  demonstration where he was lighting lights simultaneously.
In fact after he said that, and he said that with the bar across the top , which is basically a horseshoe, he said Tesla used this for curing disease and specifically mentioned the C word.
He said this cure was accomplished by putting the 2 sides of copper bar on either side of the tumor.

fyi.

jeanna

http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=7617.msg186619#msg186619
On that page I call it tesla's 3 lamp experiment, but in his own words he talks about this to a group of electrical engineers in London 1892.
The third picture is the one with the bar across the top= the horseshoe.
jeanna

 

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