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Author Topic: Hairpin Project  (Read 104854 times)

Offline forest

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Re: Hairpin Project
« Reply #105 on: January 08, 2010, 01:39:27 PM »

Offline resonanceman

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Re: Hairpin Project
« Reply #106 on: January 08, 2010, 04:48:47 PM »
Hello,

I read the thread and thought to post my observations.

To begin with, I am not sure GDTs will work well as spark gaps as they are made to provide surge protection when a spike occurs but not on a continuous basis as your application might require.

Has anyone actually looked at the spec sheet for them or the link that was posted (http://www.citel.us/gas_distcharge_tubes_overview.html) explaining their operation. Please note the four operating domains and also on the next page the fairly broad dynamic area. Both might be problematic in your configuration.

Also, you need to remember that you will be pulsing hundreds if not thousands of times per second. The physical limit GDT can withstand before a breakdown occurs needs to be determined...

In any case, as I have also been researching various spark gaps and contemplating building all kinds of evacuated tubes with gases (ie. Nitrogen), I stumbled upon a solid-state spark gap using a SIDAC.

Not sure if anyone has seen this one already, but it looks very sound, not to mention it has already been tested and worked out:

http://drsstc.com/~sisg/

(PDF: http://drsstc.com/~sisg/files/SISG.pdf)

Amigo

I have questions about if the GDTs will  work for this application ......... but  most of us here are expermenters ........ we are here to figure that kind of stuff out....... I am sure they will not work verry long if high power is  used.........if low power is used.......and the largest GDT available for  the  chosen voltage is used.... it may  work.......at least for a while.
It would be simple and cheep.

Thanks  for the  link for  the solid state spark gap .
That may open quite a few doors for people here.

I think you may  have started something though.
If I know  this  group.........in  a few months there will  be  a group of  people  in an unofficial contest to see who can make  the biggest  sparks with  a  JT powered Tesla coil powered by of course.........1 AA battery

:)

sounds like fun  to me


gary

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Re: Hairpin Project
« Reply #107 on: January 08, 2010, 05:06:20 PM »
Personaly   I do not care what an electon looks like.

I think the ldea  of it looking like  a bubble is cool .......but whatever it looks like it does the same  work.

I have no faith  in  " accepted " theorys .......science  has not been about honesty and integrity of research for a very long time.....it is more about politics and power than it is  research.

gary

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Re: Hairpin Project
« Reply #108 on: January 08, 2010, 05:23:07 PM »
Thanks for the link Amigo  That is sweet.
I only hope it is a pure unidirectional flow.
But it looks like we are getting closer to what we are looking for.
I also found the pancake goil use interesting. It seems the common way to make them is between 2 plates of plexi to hold the thing flat.

Mags

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Re: Hairpin Project
« Reply #109 on: January 09, 2010, 01:45:31 AM »
They got any solid state devices that react to magnetic flux changes are able to act as room temperature superconductors.  Are stablized by uv light.  Tesla's spark gap couples magnetically to the induced A of the tank inductor and any other magnetic field around.  Electrons will drift in a wire and not draw a bit of energy from any field polarization.  That in itself is enough to tell me that they got energy onboard     You have a spinning top going like all the dickens.  You can put the top on your hand and it is hard to move around.  Cause it has inertia.  Put it on the table and tap it just the right way and the top goes kinetic.  If there is any channeling structure it goes the way you want it to.  As an electron converts its mass velocity into photons we get all sorts of different wave lenghths.  Multispectrum photon emission from the spark gap conversion process can be stored in a resonant tank.  This process repeated millions of times a second is simple gain from mass to energy conversion.  Conversion of the electron massvelocity  to energy of varying wavelengths.  The physicists and mathmaticians have known how to do this since at least the 50's.  It is not frindge physics it is as mainstream as it gets.  It is totally suppressed because air is free fuel.
« Last Edit: January 09, 2010, 02:31:36 AM by sparks »

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Re: Hairpin Project
« Reply #110 on: January 09, 2010, 03:32:31 AM »
One thing about using a using a unidirectional gap, at least to start, is to at the least gain experience with the cold electricity to more understand what we are dealing with. From what I know up till now, just from a lot of reading, is that the cold electricity will light an incandescent bulb and lighting the filament, not the gas or vacuum in the bulb.
This is a hard to believe statement. We are shown all these incandescent lights, neon tubes glowing and told what static is along with demonstration, yet "radiant electricity" will light the filament if 2 people were the conductors from the source, and they feel nothing, not a tickle. This is the alternative electricity that Tesla discovered. No electron flow. We cannot feel it because it travels over our skin, not through us, wont even feel the tiniest. No electrons. Try the 2 guys with a lights the filament of the light bulb the conventionals way and ask them if they feel it or with any of those examples I suggested, and ask if nothing was felt, not even the initial spark when making contact. Ive touched it all, even the ole 9v bat on the tongue. =]  A 6 v lantern bat, even though the voltage is lower, you may have a burnt taste in the mouth for a few days. :p or a hand held tesla coil tatoo, looks like the arms of Qui Chang Kane from kungfu for at least a week. And all types of electric shock, but I cannot say that I have experienced an electric condutivity to my body that I did not feel, especially high voltage.
Put a coil of wire on top of a plasma ball and put your finger near the tip of the wire, there will be a seemingly continuous spark and the distinct smell of burning of skin. and the wire or coil has no electrical contact. Inductive but mostly capacitive. But those burns are caused by electrons, not the force that makes them flow, the cold electricity, and that is what we are looking for. It will light the filament, it will turn a motor, it will run anything electronic, but it wont hurt you.
 There is a theory that there is 2 elements that are missing from the element chart that are lighter than hydrogen, If you look at the first 2 vertical rows where hydrogen sits is where they should be. It is said that they are able to move or penetrate through everything. And its believed that this "gas" is where the energy is available.

Magluvin

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Re: Hairpin Project
« Reply #111 on: January 09, 2010, 04:12:41 AM »
  Back to the hairpin.  If we induce a soundwave into a metal what happens.  Would there be more electrons bunched together at one spot than another.  Polarizing portions of the metal.  Then it would be very easy to capacitavely couple the load lights to the portion of the hairpin that has greater  CHARGE than portions of the hairpin that have less charge.  Not directly attached to the copper with a good connection but connected to the copper with a dielectric in between.  By creating a harmonic oscillation within the conductor resonant cavity then we would get twice as many spots to capacitavely couple loads to the wavefield.  If the waves go to the end of the resonant cavity and are reflected then we are able to pull load from the oscillator without disrupting the standing wavefield.  This will enable work to be done without damping the primary oscillator.  The oscillator excited will ring indefininitely and do work.  Tesla built a better oscillator when he did the coil capacitor or bifilar wound pancake coil.  Inductor and capacitor were one.

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Re: Hairpin Project
« Reply #112 on: January 09, 2010, 04:27:50 AM »
@Mag

The reason they arent there is because of the planck constant.  This combined with the speed of light constant is a great scource of confusion.

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Re: Hairpin Project
« Reply #113 on: January 09, 2010, 05:35:50 AM »
  Back to the hairpin.  If we induce a soundwave into a metal what happens.  Would there be more electrons bunched together at one spot than another.  Polarizing portions of the metal.  Then it would be very easy to capacitavely couple the load lights to the portion of the hairpin that has greater  CHARGE than portions of the hairpin that have less charge.  Not directly attached to the copper with a good connection but connected to the copper with a dielectric in between.  By creating a harmonic oscillation within the conductor resonant cavity then we would get twice as many spots to capacitavely couple loads to the wavefield.  If the waves go to the end of the resonant cavity and are reflected then we are able to pull load from the oscillator without disrupting the standing wavefield.  This will enable work to be done without damping the primary oscillator.  The oscillator excited will ring indefininitely and do work.  Tesla built a better oscillator when he did the coil capacitor or bifilar wound pancake coil.  Inductor and capacitor were one.

Sparks

I do not see how standing waves can help us with  the hairpin
For standing waves to work  we would have to have a VERY large  hairpin or use extremely high frequency


gary

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Re: Hairpin Project
« Reply #114 on: January 09, 2010, 05:58:41 AM »
Gary,
I am curious to know what you are doing and how you are changing the Karl Palsness replication of version um 2, I think, of the 3 possible pix?

Are you using that one?
Are you using the one that is open at all?

Karl said the horseshoe is safer, so that is my bet, but I am always curious to see how someone makes a new build interpretation.

thank you,

jeanna

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Re: Hairpin Project
« Reply #115 on: January 09, 2010, 06:12:22 AM »
the electron only has to circumvent the velocity of the nucleus which is spinning on a rotation far less than light speed in 3D axle rotation are you telling me that an electron is traveling faster than the proton on axle rotation, it does not have to be at the speed of light. field equalization is only required. since an electron is omni-spherical in field it will behave as such. pretty simple stuff! all else is highly predictable.

the only reason why an electron bubble would have any spin is because the nucleus is spinning, the nucleus is stable in its spin because it has field vectors that keep it from spinning, this is called the field of least resistant! bound Protons and electrons are subject to this law, period! their own fields will coincide with this law.

you listen to, to much classical mechanics. classical mechanics is nothing but poison to the current science age. it should of never of been invented.
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Re: Hairpin Project
« Reply #116 on: January 09, 2010, 06:47:12 AM »
Gary,
I am curious to know what you are doing and how you are changing the Karl Palsness replication of version um 2, I think, of the 3 possible pix?

Are you using that one?
Are you using the one that is open at all?

Karl said the horseshoe is safer, so that is my bet, but I am always curious to see how someone makes a new build interpretation.

thank you,

jeanna

Jeanna

right  now I am waiting for the books I ordered and  doing a little research .....

Right now I have 3 things

Motivation

a theory

and lots of questions



I am thinking that  the actual hairpin should be  pretty much like in ther video.......with a removable  bar on  top.....if  for no other reason than to see that it does change things when the bar is removed.

If my theory is right...... a small hairpin would let alot of radiant energy go around it rather than  through the load..........so I am thinking at least 5 ft tall

For the  rods..........ground rods are around 5 ft.........but I am pretty sure that  they are copper plated iron now ........

I have not checked yet ...............but I am thinking of using  wire usually used for  grounding stuff .........I know 1/4 inch is common.....
They might  have  some thicker ......


Copper pipe might  be an option too
With pipe I think I would  go with at least 1 inch

For  the  caps on the ends of the rods I am thinking of making my own
I read  somewhere  about  caps made with tubes ....... I might  try that .....
A PVC pipe might  make a pretty good dialectrric
A copper  pipe inside that would be one plate....... the outer plate could  be adjustable ....... it would  be fairly easy to wrap  it with  copper sheet or  aluminum  foil  for the other plate.... wrap less  of it for smaller capacitance

Or ........if  I use the ground  wire......... they make polyethylene tubes that would probably  slide  right over the  copper........it might take a couple feet to have enough capacitance.........but the  with the ground  wire as a plate  the connection on that end at least will always  be good.
The copper tape they use for making stained  glass windows might be a very good  outer plate

anyway....there is lots of  choices to make........lots of experimenting  to see what works.




gary



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Re: Hairpin Project
« Reply #117 on: January 09, 2010, 06:58:39 AM »
Jeanna

right  now I am waiting for the books I ordered and  doing a little research .....

Right now I have 3 things

Motivation

a theory

and lots of questions



I am thinking that  the actual hairpin should be  pretty much like in ther video.......with a removable  bar on  top.....if  for no other reason than to see that it does change things when the bar is removed.

If my theory is right...... a small hairpin would let alot of radiant energy go around it rather than  through the load..........so I am thinking at least 5 ft tall

For the  rods..........ground rods are around 5 ft.........but I am pretty sure that  they are copper plated iron now ........

I have not checked yet ...............but I am thinking of using  wire usually used for  grounding stuff .........I know 1/4 inch is common.....
They might  have  some thicker ......


Copper pipe might  be an option too
With pipe I think I would  go with at least 1 inch

For  the  caps on the ends of the rods I am thinking of making my own
I read  somewhere  about  caps made with tubes ....... I might  try that .....
A PVC pipe might  make a pretty good dialectrric
A copper  pipe inside that would be one plate....... the outer plate could  be adjustable ....... it would  be fairly easy to wrap  it with  copper sheet or  aluminum  foil  for the other plate.... wrap less  of it for smaller capacitance

Or ........if  I use the ground  wire......... they make polyethylene tubes that would probably  slide  right over the  copper........it might take a couple feet to have enough capacitance.........but the  with the ground  wire as a plate  the connection on that end at least will always  be good.
The copper tape they use for making stained  glass windows might be a very good  outer plate

anyway....there is lots of  choices to make........lots of experimenting  to see what works.




gary

Good luck Gary, I know how lazy energy can be! very lazy! it will not do work for you unless you crack the whip! this is the truth! let the truth be told!

Jerry 8)

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Re: Hairpin Project
« Reply #118 on: January 09, 2010, 08:00:12 AM »
Nice overview Gary.
Thank you.

Jerry,
Maybe you need to find something you are passionate about?
I can hardly wait to get up in the morning most days.
I am so ready to try my thoughts out.
I can guarantee that if we were doing something I "should" do, it would be different!

11PM time to sleep!

nite
jeanna

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Re: Hairpin Project
« Reply #119 on: January 09, 2010, 12:51:16 PM »
       I am just saying that electrons are assigned a very specific mass quantity.  Why in the world would this mass not be convertible to energy.  Is there a limit on how much mass you need to have before you can convert it to energy.  How many photons can exist in the same place at the same time.  Lots of em.  After a while they become massive.  The cosmic background radiation does not only scatter it is effected by mass.   It condenses into mass.  Electron is probably the first ordering of the randomized oscillations.