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Offline resonanceman

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Hairpin Project
« on: January 03, 2010, 03:20:03 AM »
In the last few weeks  I my focus  has  been changing.
I have been building less and  researching more.

Someone  posted this link  and I think I have found what I  have been looking for.

Part 1 of 6: Eric Dollard Tesla Longitudinal wave Energy SBARC Ham Radio with Chris Carson

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YhuSn6sc7sc

The  hairpin  circuit keeps  popping up.
It is  time to learn about it.

This is not just capturing  a little  flyback  this is  real radiant energy.

What  I have got  so far is  to get radiant energy we need a whole different configuration .

It is a diferent kind of energy
It is a different kind of resonance.

As far as I know  resonace works at all voltages...... I see no reason why radiant energy would  be different.

I am suggesting  we  work on making a  JT powered hairpin circuit.
We can get prety good voltage out of  a JT.
With the right  configuration  we should  be able to get it to work.

If we can make half  the progress with the hairpin  as we have made with the JT .........I think we  will  be doing some truly  great things

I hope others  here will join me in this  project

I will be posting  links  here as I find them.

gary

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Hairpin Project
« on: January 03, 2010, 03:20:03 AM »

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Re: Hairpin Project
« Reply #1 on: January 03, 2010, 04:55:53 AM »
what you really want is a tuned system that directly taps each electrons wavelength and frequency directly but of course this is playing with 'nano' tuning systems that really don't exist yet.

just rember you heard it from me when this type system becomes available in the future. every electron gives of a field of a specific wavelength and frequency, far below the macro scale.

we are talking about trillions of nano recievers that tap directly off the electron itself.

Jerry 8)

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Re: Hairpin Project
« Reply #2 on: January 03, 2010, 05:28:04 AM »
I'm at issue with this circuit - it's high voltage,  I have yet to find a decent circuit diagram and explanation that isn't ancient; something original is one thing, something down right old is another.  These other gentlemen testing circuits don't usually have websites with these things on them.

..the circuit, it's high voltage, of course it's going to light things up and blow light bulbs, but its just doing that, ..the radiant energy concept and the voltage oriented are nearly one and the same.  Someone claiming that they've found cold electricity from a tesla radiant hairpin circuit is experiencing the zen of extreme low-current high-voltage operation.

Make it a goal! ...I think the recent postings in the low ma draw, 'new type of joule thief' thread are interesting. ( and productive )..though they've not been able to wow me with voltage gains, I did plop in a secondary with a low ma draw, and it seems to be functioning rather well.
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I may mention that the JT produces mostly pulsed DC ( so there is a lsight DC bias to the AC ) ... it's going to have to be symmetrical wave in order to get tesla's effects, otherwise it's a different art all together.

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Re: Hairpin Project
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Re: Hairpin Project
« Reply #3 on: January 03, 2010, 04:09:18 PM »
Quote from: jadaro2600 link=topic=8572.msg219123#msg219123 date=1262492884

..the radiant energy concept and the voltage oriented are nearly one and the same.  Someone claiming that they've found cold electricity from a tesla radiant hairpin circuit is experiencing the zen of extreme low-current high-voltage operation.

 

Jadaro

You  are entitled to your opinion.

I know enough about radiant energy to know  that there  is something to it.

I know  enough about Tesla to know that he was blacklisted for trying to  bring  radiant energy to  the people.

What  I got from the video was  a place  to start.
Radiant energy  requires  a whole different configurationj.
As long  as you stick to  conventional knowledge  it is impossible.
It is NOT just high voltage.


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Re: Hairpin Project
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Re: Hairpin Project
« Reply #5 on: January 03, 2010, 04:23:48 PM »
what you really want is a tuned system that directly taps each electrons wavelength and frequency directly but of course this is playing with 'nano' tuning systems that really don't exist yet.

just rember you heard it from me when this type system becomes available in the future. every electron gives of a field of a specific wavelength and frequency, far below the macro scale.

we are talking about trillions of nano recievers that tap directly off the electron itself.

Jerry 8)

Jerry

I remember  someone  testing  an array of diodes.
It seems that  just an array of diodes will produce a small  amount of  usable  energy from quantum vibration alone.

The problem with larger applications  of this is  no chip maker will make  a large scale array of diodes.


gary

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Re: Hairpin Project
« Reply #6 on: January 03, 2010, 04:50:04 PM »
Resonanceman
Hi   Are you saying that obtaining amplifying effects of radiant energy can be done at lower freq and lower voltages?
That would be great
Mags

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Re: Hairpin Project
« Reply #7 on: January 03, 2010, 05:23:58 PM »
Radiant energy is magnetic wave supported by Earth magnetosphere. :P Simple

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Re: Hairpin Project
« Reply #8 on: January 04, 2010, 04:37:23 AM »
Resonanceman
Hi   Are you saying that obtaining amplifying effects of radiant energy can be done at lower freq and lower voltages?
That would be great
Mags


I had  a major Ah Ha moment in the first minutes of this video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=64yKW9FSsBY&feature=related

There is  a completely different kind of configuration and a completely  different  kind  of resonance than we currently use.
This  configuration and type  of resonance  has been  almost been  completely  forgotten  or  suppressed.

Tesla knew about it, and used it.

If we can fill in enough  blanks  about  the details  of  these things  I  think  we will  be able to bring  back  some of what was lost when Tesla was blacklisted.

I  think that finding  the right configuration is key.
Like  any electronics  circuit  if we do  not  understand what  it is doing  and put it together wrong......it will not  work right.

As far as low voltage goes.
I do think with the right circuits we should be able top make radiant energy  with  low voltage .........of course  it is much easier  to notice what is  going on when  you use higher voltage .....I think this is one  of the keys  to Teslas progress ............he did  things in a big way....... extreme frequency and voltage ......


For frequency ........ as I understand  it  the frequency is not that important ....... yes  a  higher  frequency means more spikes......more spikes mean more power  available........but the  real trick is in  creating spikes with a VERY high rate of change.

I am certain that  information about  energy that would allow us energy independance  has been withheld from us.

In  the first Eric Dollard video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YhuSn6sc7sc
He talks about a man that transmited  a signal between 2 kites
many  years ago ........ this  was  true free energy.
The wind passing  over the kite created  a static charge .......the static sharge could then be temporaly  grounded by the telagraph key
This  produced electrostatic pulses that were picked up by a galvanometer hooked to another kite miles away.
Air moving over  the surface of a kite .........and  air moving  over the surface of water droplets ........ same  effect ......one was used for transmitting  a signal........the other  is what creates lighting.



gary








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Re: Hairpin Project
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Re: Hairpin Project
« Reply #9 on: January 04, 2010, 04:56:30 AM »
Resman
I see what you saw in vid 2 about the resonances in a coil. I didnt quite catch that the first time around.
Thanks for pointing it out.
I have to watch all those vids again.
The one where Chris talks about transformer cores, I wish he had given an answer to that. I dont get it.

Thanks Resman

Mags

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Re: Hairpin Project
« Reply #10 on: January 04, 2010, 05:05:32 AM »
Resonanceman, that is a good observation.  There have been such arrays used, but the only ones I have seen myself were internal devices at IBM.  They had very specific "Problems" that occured because of some of the "Strange" properties.  I'm sure you have heard of "Bubble Memory".  Though I am not privy to the exact details, those two concepts are related.

Nice to see someone really starting to understand "Real" radiant energy, and you are 100% correct in what you say.  That is where you have to start, as all of the EE learning was a real problem in understanding.  Just trying to use standard components is a pain.  (Have learned a little.  Seems that flat coils with component at field focus point is helpful, but I have no practical info yet.  Just a couple testing results that I don't fully understand myself, YET.)

For info, RE  (OK, I'll use it.  I prefer other terms.) WILL operate at low voltage, however, the effects are so misunderstood that they are hard to work with at a low level.  Compare to arcing a spark gap.  Easier to work with several thousand volts.  The spark can exist at much lower levels, but is usually not visable.  See where I'm going.....

I'm also pleased to see you have seen the frequency difference between EM resonance and RE resonance.  I am thinking this points to a speed difference, but that is only theory.  If accurate, there is MUCH more here than meets the eye. (Add Beardon into the mix, and it all gets too heavy for me, but I can still learn the basics.)  Just think how many have wound / built "Tesla" coils, trying to tune them via "Normal" resonance......  And to think there are people out there that still think there is no information suppression......  I'm currently stuck in the relationship between heaviside and RE effects.  Not sure how they fit together but they do indicate what is really going on.  Big area of study.  Very interesting.

Loner

I do remember  reading that bubble memory started out as a problem.
I do not remember any of the  details either.


I see what  you mean about the spark gap.......... I personaly do not like spark gaps........  It has been a goal of mine for a few years now to come up with different way to do the  same things a spark gap does.
If  I can do that ........ lower voltage radiant energy could get much easier.



What you said about people making Tesla coils is interesting.
Before I  found this site I wanted to build a Tesla coil.
I went to a site where people were making  lots of different Tesla coils..........some  of them were very large.

Although they were called Tesla coils  they were something different to me.
I tried to talk about it  and  was told very bluntly that they had made  many Tesla  coils  and  they knew what  they were  doing.

They insisted that  a properly made Tesla coil should make  an irragular noise.
I say a Tesla coil  is a tuned circuit ......it should  have a smooth even sound.

They described making  a rotary spark gap  on a fixed speed motor.
For  a Tesla coil to be in resonance  the make and break  of the spark gap must  be in sinc with the resonance. I saw no evidence that they were even trying to synchronize  the spark gap

I ended up  not making a Tesla coil because  all of the  coils I saw just seemed wrong.


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I have  spent some time on Beardens site........ I can't follow the math ..........but I think I have the general idea  down.

gary


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Re: Hairpin Project
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Re: Hairpin Project
« Reply #11 on: January 04, 2010, 05:22:37 AM »
@Gary

So to start , we need some type of kooler hybrid circuit.

I was thinking your flyback jt to feed the cap , i think i will fill the cap faster the the jeanna light toroid.

This may well raise the freq enough to get started on the hairpin circuit.

Before replacing the spark gap , we need to learn from it .

Btw one of my favorite part of the movie is the jump rope example...

Keep the good work !

Mark 

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Re: Hairpin Project
« Reply #12 on: January 04, 2010, 05:22:39 AM »
Resman
I see what you saw in vid 2 about the resonances in a coil. I didnt quite catch that the first time around.
Thanks for pointing it out.
I have to watch all those vids again.
The one where Chris talks about transformer cores, I wish he had given an answer to that. I dont get it.

Thanks Resman

Mags

Mags

I wound not have caught that .......except  I have   had the idea  of radiant  energy  simmering  in the back of my mind for a few years now ........
I saw it and it was likle .............aaaahhhhh that is why  I have had so little luck........I was missing a major piece of the puzzle.


About the transformer explanation.
I think you got it .......by not  getting it.
:)

I think his whole point  was nobody gets it .



gary

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Re: Hairpin Project
« Reply #13 on: January 04, 2010, 05:31:32 AM »
I see the difference in the common Tesla coils vs what Tesla had.
He used high tension dc as a source. And the spark gap was magnetically quenched. These others are ac component. Tesla found that the RE only showed itself when high tension dc was released. He further improved and gained control over it using a strong magnet to pull the electrons from the flow in the spark. In some of his pat. you see a v shape near the spark gaps.  By doing this, the spark was not allowing any reversal of the current in the spark, thus improving the amount and control of the RE component. The key was not to allow reversal of the dc released into the circuit. Diodes? I think you are on to it already. I myself am just figuring all this out.
If ya get a chance, read Secrets of Cold War Technology. It says that the common Tesla coils we see today are not from Tesla, they are from another scientist. It also tells that Tesla had come up with a RE reciever that didnt need a transmitter, this was after they demolished his tower and lab. And this was what he used to power the Peirce Arrow AC induction motor.  =]
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Re: Hairpin Project
« Reply #14 on: January 04, 2010, 05:57:49 AM »
@Gary

So to start , we need some type of kooler hybrid circuit.

I was thinking your flyback jt to feed the cap , i think i will fill the cap faster the the jeanna light toroid.

This may well raise the freq enough to get started on the hairpin circuit.

Before replacing the spark gap , we need to learn from it .

Btw one of my favorite part of the movie is the jump rope example...

Keep the good work !

Mark

Mark

I am not sure which flyback JT  you mean.

I have sevral made from flyback cores......one made  with the whole flyback transformer ....
My JTs  that I made from flyback cores or the transformer have been among my strongest.........and they seem to work  good at both 1.5 and 12 V   My 5 for $1 JTs  that work well at 1.5 V  seem to put out  the same or less at 12 V

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I am not an expert on radiant  energy or the hairpin circuit
I am not  going to try to say how we should  start .......or what we should  try.

I do have faith that if  we  try  we can make some great progress.
If  I remember right  the Joule Thief thread started with one question ........something like .......  can someone tell  me what is  going on with this circuit?

Look how much  we have learned sense then

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I am not sure when I will be able to take  the next step  in  making a replacment for a spark gap........ it is  like a passion  for me.
I believe it is one of the keys that we need to make  radiant  energy practical .

What I mean by this is.........somethings  are just not practical  with high enough  voltages to use  a spark gap.
If we learned how  to make  a small self charging radiant  energy battery pack .......and it had a spark gap in it that ran at 5000 V ........ would  you want to put it in your pocket?


gary

 

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