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Author Topic: New Jewel Thief "Resonate LCR Circuit" Much less energy draw....  (Read 181336 times)

Offline sirmikey1

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Re: New Jewel Thief "Resonate LCR Circuit" Much less energy draw....
« Reply #120 on: January 19, 2010, 03:45:36 PM »
   @zee, the added transistor really hyped things up, 1350v rectified.  Thanks!  I had also neglected to connect the neg of the secondary to the primary hot.

  What average voltage remains on a dead JT AA?   Is the earth battery fairly constant?  Would be interesting to test the .3v transistor in both CQ and JT; for both extend run time and to compare.

   ChilliQueen posted a new one transistor Resonate LCR JT circuit yesterday, where he mentions a program which will tell you what values of LCR will resonate.  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FpH4oOHAV3I

  You guys are about to redefine the meaning of "Off the Grid" and "WiTricity". 

Cheers,
Mikey

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Re: New Jewel Thief "Resonate LCR Circuit" Much less energy draw....
« Reply #121 on: January 19, 2010, 05:11:33 PM »
@ sirmikey1

the added transistor really hyped things up, 1350v rectified.  Thanks!  I had also neglected to connect the neg of the secondary to the primary hot.

Great. What transformer are you using. Please post your circuit so that others can learn from your work.


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Re: New Jewel Thief "Resonate LCR Circuit" Much less energy draw....
« Reply #122 on: January 19, 2010, 05:31:09 PM »
   @zee, the added transistor really hyped things up, 1350v rectified.  Thanks!  I had also neglected to connect the neg of the secondary to the primary hot.

  What average voltage remains on a dead JT AA?   Is the earth battery fairly constant?  Would be interesting to test the .3v transistor in both CQ and JT; for both extend run time and to compare.

   ChilliQueen posted a new one transistor Resonate LCR JT circuit yesterday, where he mentions a program which will tell you what values of LCR will resonate.  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FpH4oOHAV3I

  You guys are about to redefine the meaning of "Off the Grid" and "WiTricity". 

Cheers,
Mikey

My EER (formerly earth battery) consistently puts out 1.7-2.00 volts @ around 19 mA.  Lasersaber is getting over 35 mAs from his set-up.  They do fluctuate a bit but the range stays pretty but much the same.  Plenty of energy to run a JT circuit as I, and many, have done.

Nice job on your circuit.

Bill

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Re: New Jewel Thief "Resonate LCR Circuit" Much less energy draw....
« Reply #123 on: January 19, 2010, 09:56:21 PM »
Hi,
   The camera transformer is from the Kodak Funsaver disposable camera, the 4 prong transformer. The 1350v is using 5v input.  I need to try the three prong transformer again, and the 4kv trigger, now that I have that wire corrected.  The schematic is your CQ darlington with trigger coil. The transistors made huge difference in voltage, and I'm using 2n3906 for PNP, and 2n3904 for the NPNs.
Take Care,
Mikey   

   

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Re: New Jewel Thief "Resonate LCR Circuit" Much less energy draw....
« Reply #124 on: January 20, 2010, 01:08:59 AM »
mikey
here is alot of camera circuits.. we all done in the past

http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=6942.msg161195#msg161195

a little more simple and have the same or better results
have fun

Offline jadaro2600

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Re: New Jewel Thief "Resonate LCR Circuit" Much less energy draw....
« Reply #125 on: January 20, 2010, 01:35:30 AM »
can someone put a scope on this thing?  I appear to be getting decent AC off a secondary...

Or I should say that I'm getting the same voltage rectified off both (either) side of a secondary.  As if the in-pulse is just as effective as the out-pulse.

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Re: New Jewel Thief "Resonate LCR Circuit" Much less energy draw....
« Reply #126 on: January 20, 2010, 01:47:06 AM »
can someone put a scope on this thing?  I appear to be getting decent AC off a secondary...

Or I should say that I'm getting the same voltage rectified off both (either) side of a secondary.  As if the in-pulse is just as effective as the out-pulse.

You can use a neon bulb. If both electrodes light it is AC. This circuit has current pulses that go up fast and then come down fast later. The output polarity depends on if the pulse is going up or down fast. A regular JT goes up slow and down fast.

« Last Edit: January 20, 2010, 02:17:11 AM by xee2 »

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Re: New Jewel Thief "Resonate LCR Circuit" Much less energy draw....
« Reply #127 on: January 20, 2010, 03:19:46 AM »
You can use a neon bulb. If both electrodes light it is AC. This circuit has current pulses that go up fast and then come down fast later. The output polarity depends on if the pulse is going up or down fast. A regular JT goes up slow and down fast.

I'm not quite getting enough volts to light a common neon.  This is interesting though.

I'll dig around for a smaller one, EG sent me some in a surprise box.

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Re: New Jewel Thief "Resonate LCR Circuit" Much less energy draw....
« Reply #128 on: January 20, 2010, 03:34:21 AM »
I'm just not getting enough voltage; don't have a spare core sitting around to wind a decent transformer, and toroids, despite their benefits, are a pain in the ass to wind... especially when I need a 100 or 200 to one ratio.  I would like a 400:1 ratio, but I think it's asking a bit much, the voltage across the terminals might jump from there...and there may be a breakdown.

I've though about using an electric guitar pickup for a coil, they're wound numerous times and have a magnetic core.

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Re: New Jewel Thief "Resonate LCR Circuit" Much less energy draw....
« Reply #129 on: January 20, 2010, 03:36:31 AM »
@ jeanna

This will run on less than 1 volt and I am sure your EB will supply enough current to run it. You may want to change 2M resistor to lower value to increase brightness of LEDs.
Thanks xee,
I will keep this for the weather change.

Meantime I will also order some magnesium ribbon.
If I can improve my results by a fraction of what lasersaber has, I could lite the park... not that I want to, but I will love to bring it inside from the EER.

thank you,

jeanna
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Offline sirmikey1

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Re: New Jewel Thief "Resonate LCR Circuit" Much less energy draw....
« Reply #130 on: January 20, 2010, 11:36:10 AM »

@Jadaro,  Both sides of the neon will light. CQ recommended going to the drug store and asking for some of the throw-away cameras.  I got two.  I've also got several junk transformers from televisions and monitors.  I used a chain of 1meg resistors in series to find joy, and to escape the heat...

SM


 

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Re: New Jewel Thief "Resonate LCR Circuit" Much less energy draw....
« Reply #131 on: January 20, 2010, 04:42:55 PM »
Garden Lights!
Interesting Application of Joule Thief (self charging).
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ss0sr_nlwY

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Re: New Jewel Thief "Resonate LCR Circuit" Much less energy draw....
« Reply #132 on: January 20, 2010, 11:45:40 PM »
. CQ recommended going to the drug store and asking for some of the throw-away cameras.  I got two. 
There is a difference, and we found that the fuji camera with the black push button which uses the AA and [NOT the green slider which uses the AAA] is the best one to use.

the pictures are in the schematics thread Bill started to make it easier for folks to get started a year ago (!)

jeanna

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Re: New Jewel Thief "Resonate LCR Circuit" Much less energy draw....
« Reply #133 on: January 29, 2010, 03:19:01 AM »
Does anyone have a clinical analysis of the ratios of turns, diameters, or otherwise coreless indications of how to maximize voltage EMF on a collapsing magnetic field vs the frequency.

All things relative of course.

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I'm trying to determine the correct frequency for maximum yield of a given pulsing magnetic moment ...I want to design the core to use so little current, that it becomes voltage oriented.

This would allow the device to perform for extended periods of time.

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Re: New Jewel Thief "Resonate LCR Circuit" Much less energy draw....
« Reply #134 on: January 29, 2010, 05:47:56 AM »
I think your question sounds very complicated.
If you make thin hi voltage spikes on the pick up secondary, you will be using very little amps.
That is not the amps draw from the battery, of course, but the secondary can just produce those spikes all day long, so long as you get the transistor to turn on.
So, if you can use a germanium transistor and restrict the base with a high value resistor, you are good to go.

I do not know what you are looking for in figures, but you might be able to make a few tests and inform all the rest of us.

jeanna