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Author Topic: New Jewel Thief "Resonate LCR Circuit" Much less energy draw....  (Read 181292 times)

Offline jeanna

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Re: New Jewel Thief "Resonate LCR Circuit" Much less energy draw....
« Reply #90 on: January 10, 2010, 10:02:10 PM »
xee,
   Another member here has said that the original JT needs to be measured by running the transistor C&E through a full rectifier bridge.  I get around 7volts on the old JT
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EDIT
oops, I missed the most important part of your post, that it was the C-E where you were measuring.
The following has to do with measuring the secondary
so sorry.
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Mikey,
After you run it through the full bridge, then you must run it through 2 more diodes to solidify the directions (is how I think of it)
You will see many more volts when you use these 2 extra diodes.
And remember to use a photoflash cap. They are free and work very well for this... up to 300v

jeanna
« Last Edit: January 11, 2010, 12:56:03 AM by jeanna »

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Re: New Jewel Thief "Resonate LCR Circuit" Much less energy draw....
« Reply #91 on: January 10, 2010, 11:42:19 PM »
Hi.I have had another look at my chilliqueen SEC today and found out a few things.
The first is the ariel on the npn base needs to be removed as it is effectivly taking the pnp transistor out of the circuit and turning it into my pan oscillator.My chilliqueen SEC in my video was made without the ariel and works really well and it was after i made the vid when i decided to add it but it is detrimental to this circuit so Xee2 could you possibly do an amended circuit diagram including the following info.
I stripped my original chiliqueen SEC down and rebuilt it with the components in different places and to get it to run strongly i had to use a 22pf cap instead of the 100pf so component placement is important so if anyone builds this and their leds are dim,try different value caps  ranging from 10pf up to 100pf.I also added another four 1 meg resistors so resistace totals 7 meg so i could change the resistance by using a jumper  and this was a really good way to control the current draw up or down.Can you get a really large mega ohm value variable resistor as it would be perfect for this?.
This SEC variant runs really strong and stable without tuning issues and will do wireless leds straight of a 1.5v battery.Hope this info helps.Regards jonny.

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Re: New Jewel Thief "Resonate LCR Circuit" Much less energy draw....
« Reply #92 on: January 11, 2010, 12:21:31 AM »
@ jonnydavro

I hope this is correct. If not just let me know. My local electronics store has 1/4 watt resistors up to 10M. Above that they usually need to be special ordered with long waits.

I think that there should be a second plate so that the energy has a complete path. Have you tried adding a plate to the positive battery terminal? That is where I would think it should go.

Typically, the high voltage is generated in a parallel resonant circuit. I think that the coil secondary makes the inductor for the resonator and thus the parallel capacitance should be across the coil secondary.

« Last Edit: January 11, 2010, 12:45:12 AM by xee2 »

Offline jonnydavro

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Re: New Jewel Thief "Resonate LCR Circuit" Much less energy draw....
« Reply #93 on: January 11, 2010, 01:20:56 AM »
@Xee2.Many thanks.I do use another two plates.In the vid,i show some leds being lit by the backflow energy.This is the same strange electricity which is being radiated yet it flows back down the pos and negative rails.i Utilise this to light two banks of leds with the attached circuit.One aramenko plug goes to the posistive rail and the other goes to the negative.The trays attached to the negative leg of the last led are vital in getting the leds blazing.By adding this circuit it also reduces amp draw.So to sum up i use three trays in all.The 10 meg resistor sound perfect.I will check my local shop.Many thanks. jonny.

Offline sirmikey1

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Re: New Jewel Thief "Resonate LCR Circuit" Much less energy draw....
« Reply #94 on: January 11, 2010, 09:14:38 AM »

This project reminded me of these two papers from
Overunity.Com a few years back: 

Well, just that it might cause some sparks ;)

Overunity in Copper & The Peculiar Nature of Copper...
http://www.archive.org/search.php?query=overunity%20copper

Mikey

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Re: New Jewel Thief "Resonate LCR Circuit" Much less energy draw....
« Reply #95 on: January 11, 2010, 10:14:57 AM »
 You guys still working with the old Joule Thief might be interested in this schematic.  I haven't compared, don't have the exact difference or how it compares to the Chilliqueen circuit, but it' might be worth a look; as it maintains the joule thieving lifespan (supposedly)....  Found on the jt thread a few weeks ago..

« Last Edit: January 11, 2010, 10:43:12 AM by sirmikey1 »

Offline slayer007

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Re: New Jewel Thief "Resonate LCR Circuit" Much less energy draw....
« Reply #96 on: January 13, 2010, 01:33:49 AM »
Here is my version the Jonnydavro Chilliqueen circuit I have been using.
It works very well on low voltage.

The DR Stiffler tower can be used as an optional power out.
The tower can be replaced with an antenna.

Thanks Jonny and Chilliqueen.

Offline jadaro2600

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Re: New Jewel Thief "Resonate LCR Circuit" Much less energy draw....
« Reply #97 on: January 13, 2010, 05:15:58 PM »
Has anyone tried to wind their own trigger coil?

I have 36 gage wire, but doesn't this increase the likelihood of insulation breakdown?

Offline Pirate88179

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Re: New Jewel Thief "Resonate LCR Circuit" Much less energy draw....
« Reply #98 on: January 13, 2010, 09:07:39 PM »
Jadaro:

I would think it might.  That is why I use the 28 ga. Newbie Wire from Gobrushless.  It has a much thicker coating (insulation) than regular magnet wire.  The dielectric strength of the coating still might not be good enough for real high voltage applications. But I have not tried to wind a trigger coil yet.

Even with my extra precautions I have a short somewhere on my latest large toroid wind and it is going to be a real pain to locate.

Bill

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Re: New Jewel Thief "Resonate LCR Circuit" Much less energy draw....
« Reply #99 on: January 13, 2010, 09:34:15 PM »
Bill,
I have not tried this but tesla made the suggestion to turn look in a totally dark place, and you should be able to see the break.
I wonder if this works.
You might need to wait 10 minutes for your visual purple to be restored.

Please let us know if you try this.

jeanna

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Re: New Jewel Thief "Resonate LCR Circuit" Much less energy draw....
« Reply #100 on: January 13, 2010, 10:35:20 PM »
Jeanna:

Thanks for the suggestion.  Main problem is, I can only run it for a few seconds as the transistor gets too hot to even touch.  I believe I fried the first one so I replaced it and...it gets really hot really fast too.  I had no problems like this with my first large toroid wind.  I can run that one for hours and the transistor remains cool.

I know I screwed up something along the way, I just have to figure out what.

Bill

Offline resonanceman

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Re: New Jewel Thief "Resonate LCR Circuit" Much less energy draw....
« Reply #101 on: January 14, 2010, 02:29:45 AM »
Jadaro:

I would think it might.  That is why I use the 28 ga. Newbie Wire from Gobrushless.  It has a much thicker coating (insulation) than regular magnet wire.  The dielectric strength of the coating still might not be good enough for real high voltage applications. But I have not tried to wind a trigger coil yet.

Even with my extra precautions I have a short somewhere on my latest large toroid wind and it is going to be a real pain to locate.

Bill

Bill

Do  you have any shellac  laying around?

SHellac   is a very good insulator ........ It was used  on motors for years

Thery wound the rotors then dipped then in shellac   just to make  sure the insulation  was intact

If  you  give  your toroid a nice paint  job with shellac it might  seal the  short .... If  it  does not ...... shellac is not that strong...... you can still pull the wire off
It may take  a little scraping  to  get the shellac off the toroid.......but  I think  it is  a good risk

gary

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Re: New Jewel Thief "Resonate LCR Circuit" Much less energy draw....
« Reply #102 on: January 14, 2010, 02:47:13 AM »
Jadaro:

I would think it might.  That is why I use the 28 ga. Newbie Wire from Gobrushless.  It has a much thicker coating (insulation) than regular magnet wire.  The dielectric strength of the coating still might not be good enough for real high voltage applications. But I have not tried to wind a trigger coil yet.

Even with my extra precautions I have a short somewhere on my latest large toroid wind and it is going to be a real pain to locate.

Bill

I think the trigger coils may have been done as suggested above ( with shellac ) or some other extra insulation.  It would be nice to see the results of a magnetic insulator?

Also, since you have a toroid wound / winding, you can take the entire toroid and connect one terminal on the suspect wire to one terminal on an ohmmeter and the other you can do this with:

Drop your toroid in distilled water, the ohmic resistance should change the closer you get to the break in the wire.  Do not add electrolytes.  Alcohol could be another solution you could try, if the water is too conductive.

Your toroid may be shorted to the wire, check ohmic resistance between toroid and the wire ends.  If this is so, then you can repeat the operation above and note the fact, you may have to take this into account.

Also, do not try to push high voltage through and look for a glow on the cable, it's likely to cause more breaks in the insulation as well as make whatever breaks you have bigger.

There may be more than one break already.

About your transistor overheating:  Try increasing resistance to base?, or you could bias the transistor with a diode. Or reduce number of coils on the inductor-to-base.  Only problem I've ever had with an overheating transistor is too much current-always on transistor.

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Re: New Jewel Thief "Resonate LCR Circuit" Much less energy draw....
« Reply #103 on: January 15, 2010, 03:48:16 AM »
Using 5v input, the disposable camera transformer gives me 550v rectified.  The 4kv trigger coil is nothing spectacular either, about half.  Slayer says that the 10kv trigger coil puts out well over 1000volts, using 2 AA batteries.  1kv seems to be the minimal mandatory target.  Well, just wanted to say...
Mikey

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Re: New Jewel Thief "Resonate LCR Circuit" Much less energy draw....
« Reply #104 on: January 15, 2010, 03:54:17 AM »
Ultimately the winding ratio is what dictates the voltage out vs voltage in.