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Author Topic: New Jewel Thief "Resonate LCR Circuit" Much less energy draw....  (Read 181290 times)

Offline Pirate88179

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Re: New Jewel Thief "Resonate LCR Circuit" Much less energy draw....
« Reply #60 on: January 06, 2010, 11:16:38 PM »
This may sound strange but ever since I built my Jeanna Light replication I have been getting random aircraft radio transmissions on my computer speakers.  My light does not have to be on and may (probably) has nothing to do with it but, the first few times it happened, I thought I was losing my mind.

Bill

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Re: New Jewel Thief "Resonate LCR Circuit" Much less energy draw....
« Reply #61 on: January 07, 2010, 12:58:09 AM »
I would like some clarification on what a kv switch is though ( how is that working internally with regard for the circuit in question? ) ..and by doing so, obviously I would be creating a transmitter, wouldn't this violate some law?..or peace of mind?

  Description says "strobe light trigger coil" or ignition coil. 

Mikey   

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Re: New Jewel Thief "Resonate LCR Circuit" Much less energy draw....
« Reply #62 on: January 07, 2010, 06:10:22 AM »
xee2,
    What did the darlington do as far as additional load on the circuit?  Is there some way to add the jt function back into this circuit? I found a much clearer JT illustration, attached, if that will help. Is the JThieving actually the bemf biasing/amping through the NPN, goosing the AA bat? 
Mikey
« Last Edit: January 07, 2010, 06:36:32 AM by sirmikey1 »

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Re: New Jewel Thief "Resonate LCR Circuit" Much less energy draw....
« Reply #63 on: January 07, 2010, 06:43:56 AM »
@ sirmikey1

I do not understand your questions. If you are asking about how the JT works check here:

http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=8341.0

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Re: New Jewel Thief "Resonate LCR Circuit" Much less energy draw....
« Reply #64 on: January 07, 2010, 08:27:26 AM »
I think a regular JT could not light this LED as bright using only 2 ma. But, this circuit is not as easy to build and make work as a regular JT so I do not think it is a good choice for someone just starting to make Joule thiefs.


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Re: New Jewel Thief "Resonate LCR Circuit" Much less energy draw....
« Reply #65 on: January 07, 2010, 02:43:10 PM »
pls use at first transistor only an small signal transistor
that will normally used for 1-100ma currents.

NOT ANY power transistor wil work properly
in the avove circuits, because hiher leackage currents,
and no any "gain amplifation" is testet or garanteed at such smal base currents that are used in this circuit.  the gain can degressed daramtacally lorer from (exampel) 50 @ 1 Amp..
it can be  2 @ 1mA !!

NOT ANY CICUIT that have workes (such way) at the "inventor"
must work, wuth your components wit same types of semiconductor - (This was 40 jears my job, to work and develop such
cicuits - so pleas give attention to select your components for
fine application in "The working applications voaltages amperages (conditions)  and power .
Gustav Pese

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Re: New Jewel Thief "Resonate LCR Circuit" Much less energy draw....
« Reply #66 on: January 07, 2010, 06:47:03 PM »
xee2,
    What did the darlington do as far as additional load on the circuit?  Is there some way to add the jt function back into this circuit? I found a much clearer JT illustration, attached, if that will help. Is the JThieving actually the bemf biasing/amping through the NPN, goosing the AA bat? 
Mikey

In this circuit, the light is produced as a result of the oscillation in the inductor when the resistor is connected to the base; the voltage gained is converted to light - this boost only serves to overcome the voltage necessary to produce light.

During the time when the transistor is off, the voltage increases and a path from positive to negative is created with higher than original voltage potentials.

Over all, i think the LED to be watt-volt oriented, when current can be substantially, yet proportionally cut back to a minimum.  The idea would be to use same wattage or less, but higher voltage - because voltage is easier to boost than current.

edited: corrections
« Last Edit: January 07, 2010, 10:49:39 PM by jadaro2600 »

Offline gauschor

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Re: New Jewel Thief "Resonate LCR Circuit" Much less energy draw....
« Reply #67 on: January 07, 2010, 08:13:11 PM »
Don't know if it helps, but I replicated the Joule Thief from the schemata on the very first page of this topic. Works really good :). I had no 100pf capacitor, therefore I took a 6,8 nF. 1 winding was not enough then, and I found out the more windings I used the better the result was. 200-450 windings on thin wire showed a nice glowing LED :).
Since the Joule Thief works with Voltage peaks from the collapsing magnetic field only, I wonder if it would be possible to catch these 'Overunity' peaks otherwise and send it somewhere else...? (Maybe feed the battery again?...)

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Re: New Jewel Thief "Resonate LCR Circuit" Much less energy draw....
« Reply #68 on: January 08, 2010, 06:48:06 AM »
xee2,

  The primary bemf is not being fed back through and amped like the orig jt.  That's what makes it a JT.  It's not going to add load to the circuit, cause it's bemf.  Your meter may show higher load, but it's BEMF, and so it's not coming from the battery.  That's a real brain teaser....

Mikey

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Re: New Jewel Thief "Resonate LCR Circuit" Much less energy draw....
« Reply #69 on: January 08, 2010, 05:35:17 PM »
Here is my version of Chilliqueen's circuit.
I added a 10Kv trigger transformer for the inductor and removed the capacitor.
Then I added one of DR Stiffler's towers to the base of the pnp transistor.

Here is the video.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j_dl-EUy4pQ

Thanks to Chilliqueen,Jonnydavro,Lidmotor and Dr Stiffler.

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Re: New Jewel Thief "Resonate LCR Circuit" Much less energy draw....
« Reply #70 on: January 08, 2010, 08:07:10 PM »
Hi slayer007

Thanks for the post. Your circuit performance is fantastic. What transistors are you using?




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Re: New Jewel Thief "Resonate LCR Circuit" Much less energy draw....
« Reply #71 on: January 08, 2010, 08:19:43 PM »
Hi slayer007

Thanks for the post. Your circuit performance is fantastic. What transistors are you using?

Thanks Xee2

I'm using a 2n3906 and a 2n2222.

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Re: New Jewel Thief "Resonate LCR Circuit" Much less energy draw....
« Reply #72 on: January 08, 2010, 08:24:24 PM »
for sirmikey1 (response to PM)

This is the basic set up I use to measure Joule thief input current and output voltage. You can not just hook the output up to a voltmeter because the voltage coming out of the pickup coil is pulsed and DVMs are made to work with steady input voltages. The diode and capacitor make a peak detector that allows the voltmeter to read the peak pulse voltage.



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Re: New Jewel Thief "Resonate LCR Circuit" Much less energy draw....
« Reply #73 on: January 09, 2010, 12:04:45 AM »
Slayer's got one wire SEC, but here is what Darvo did for wireless:

Quote from his comments: "Mike, I had a little play with chilliqueens circuit and added a trigger coil a bit different how xee had it and got it working like Dr stifflers SEC.I have also now added an ariel(just acroc lead connected to a pan) to the base of the npn transistor and the lights are brighter.It will light a neon continously using just a 1.5v battery but if i power it with a 1.5v battery powered mobile phone charger it works great and can light neons all over the place especially from the base of the npn to output pan and also from base/npn to reciever pans and battery connections. Here is a vid. Thanks for letting me know about this great circuit.Cheers jonny"

Darvo also explains at 1:45 time on the video; adding another trigger coil to the "receiver" (wireless end) pan. 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZanIc5nS78A

I have already emailed Darvo, asking for drawing/schematic...

Mikey
« Last Edit: January 09, 2010, 12:31:58 AM by sirmikey1 »

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Re: New Jewel Thief "Resonate LCR Circuit" Much less energy draw....
« Reply #74 on: January 09, 2010, 12:41:03 AM »
xee,
  Please help to figure out what Jonny is doing?  Thank you for all that you've done with the circuit.  Clarity may pull us all together, headed in one direction.

I'm most fond of Jonny's mod for wireless; and also Lidmotor/Kooler's "Lightning Maker" to study current magnification (Tesla claimed this as his  greatest invention).   Where are you going with all of this, if you dont mind my asking? 

Mikey
« Last Edit: January 09, 2010, 01:03:25 AM by sirmikey1 »