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Title: One spoke vs. many spokes...
Post by: iacob alex on December 30, 2009, 11:58:22 PM

.....    in my opinion,seems to be,a questionable starting point,to imagine a possible PM.

         Why many spokes (wheel concept ), and no one spoke (lever,pendulum concept ),only?!

         A complete up-down (0*-180*) gravity fall ,of an eccentric mass/pendulum (pivot-rod-bob ),develops  into a smaller rise (180*-`330*),due to friction.

         Naturally,,the first idea,is to realize a full 360* rotation,to overcome this ~30* "difference",in some way...

        This is "the point" :to guess,figure "something" able to help a full 360* rotation...

           All the best! / Alex
Title: Re: One spoke vs. many spokes...
Post by: iacob alex on July 14, 2010, 11:01:22 AM

    .....is a simple starting alternative,choice : a minimalist vs.  so many complicated,confused,conglomerate,twisted  prime lines,designs.

     Take a look at:   www.youtube.com/watch?v=riupxCOGDYk

     A patient attention can awake the wish to find out a new path of thinking...

                      All the best! / Alex
 
Title: Re: One spoke vs. many spokes...
Post by: Low-Q on July 16, 2010, 11:25:45 AM
Well, that question has crossed my mind too. What is better with several spokes when one doesn't work? The answer is simple: As long the mechanism is limiting the weights within a given altitude, there will never be excess potential energy that can be converted to kinetic energy. Try wind-power- It definitely works, and are for free ;)
Title: Re: One spoke vs. many spokes...
Post by: iacob alex on August 24, 2010, 01:51:34 PM

        Hi Low-Q !

  Your  simple,essential question is : "What is better with several spokes,when one doesn't work?".

  My spontaneous answer,is a question,also: "What can be better with minimum (two...) spokes ,when more spokes doesn't work ?".

  The real answer we can get from the facts/tests of reality...

  The topic "Lever vs. wheel" comments some details concerning this subject.

      All the best! / Alex
Title: Re: One spoke vs. many spokes...
Post by: Low-Q on August 24, 2010, 04:57:05 PM
Well, I believe you understood my point, but two spokes versus more spokes should be a better way to say it. At least you can balance the wheel with at least two spokes. That means that IF it worked with several spokes, one spoke would also work. Of course the wheel would be jumping around as it rotates due to imbalance. So if one spoke does not work, it would definitely not work with several single non-working spokes on the same wheel...

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Title: Re: One spoke vs. many spokes...
Post by: exnihiloest on August 25, 2010, 08:56:38 AM
Quote
Try wind-power- It definitely works, and are for free ;)

The (very big) problem is: it needs wind!  :(

Title: Re: One spoke vs. many spokes...
Post by: Low-Q on August 25, 2010, 06:55:47 PM
A rather bigger problem is that all generators need energy input, not only from the wind - if you happens to be in an area with wind.
The biggest problem is that a wheel we are discussing here will never work:)
Title: Re: One spoke vs. many spokes...
Post by: iacob alex on March 04, 2019, 11:43:07 PM
.....or many spokes ( wheel ) vs. one spoke , if we start with a " dilemmatic " test  of a wheel concept :
     https://youtu.be/Rgp6gcSaF2Y
.....but we play two opposite (variable ) spokes . of the same arrangement , as a common lever ...or a single variable spoke/arm as a proposal of :
     www.geocities.ws/iacob_alex/Some_Drafts/text028.JPG
     Al_ex