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Author Topic: Stepping Down a Wimshurst  (Read 40694 times)

Offline wojwrobel

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Re: Stepping Down a Wimshurst
« Reply #60 on: April 25, 2010, 01:05:57 PM »
hello
its get me thinking why not to try to place coil of wire and give it this alternating electric field? maybe its a new way of making electricity? push pull electrons just like magnets does!!! but witout magnetic field!!!

and insted of copper wire we sould use insulated steel wire because i read i many places that steel coil of wire dont create back emf!!! but ohter problem is that is atracted to magnet ....  anyway even if back emf is there what it will affect ? aluminium thin sectors?

i have to give it a try !!!
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Re: Stepping Down a Wimshurst
« Reply #60 on: April 25, 2010, 01:05:57 PM »

Offline SkyWatcher123

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Re: Stepping Down a Wimshurst
« Reply #61 on: May 13, 2010, 01:03:07 AM »
Hi folks, hi foggynotion, i guess i overlooked somehow the fact you said you were the famous Johnny Cool Pants. What have you been up to, did you see i started a thread in memory of some of your ideas from that other website. Some of those ideas i think have some real practical value, have you built that flash steam setup ever or any of the other ideas. Thanks
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Re: Stepping Down a Wimshurst
« Reply #62 on: May 16, 2010, 07:51:05 PM »
Again I tried different experiments e.g.: trying to

- connect Wimshurst to Joulethief circuits
- combine it with some possible sheets from Kapanadze circuits
- attach and pulse a magnet in the circuit in hope it would magically amplify the amperage
- use a permanent magnet as core of the transformer coil hoping to amplify the induction with pulsed DC
- check out if one could get enough power via pickup coil by induction only suggested by wojwrobel
- do another test by using "Evert electrostatic generator" with 3 copper plates and 1 rotor
- accomplish electrostatic push- and pull principle, electrostatic motor (works, but quite weak)
- and lastly trying electrolysis with it (with/without transformer/rectifier etc.)

... needless to say... most of them delivering a result which is not worth to mention.

It is still possible to light an LED to 1/3 or half brightness with a basic step down transformer / aircoils, but what's it for use anyways. It has way too less amperage to power anything else. That's it... I'm empty now...

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Re: Stepping Down a Wimshurst
« Reply #62 on: May 16, 2010, 07:51:05 PM »
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Offline mscoffman

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Re: Stepping Down a Wimshurst
« Reply #63 on: January 13, 2014, 05:36:07 PM »
Here is a fundamental method that is described as an electrostatic step down transformer.
This could perhaps have a number of uses, if it works correctly;

author is youtube user; Mr Teslonian
 
part #1 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k06S-01HBqQ
part #2 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g6ipm6r7h-Y

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Re: Stepping Down a Wimshurst
« Reply #64 on: January 14, 2014, 12:35:36 AM »
Here is an example:

http://youtu.be/E4P3Q_3M3rI

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Offline gauschor

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Re: Stepping Down a Wimshurst
« Reply #65 on: January 14, 2014, 07:39:22 PM »
Thanks for the links, just watched it. What I missed in MrTeslonians setup is a bulb or LED check, but any experiments in these matters are appreciated :)

Unfortunately the voltmeter displays wrong results, because of the frequency limit of 50Hz (video comments already noticed).
The second issue is that while a transformation process happens it can only be minimal. You can only transform pulsing current, but not 2 static charges. In this setup you don't even see a spark gap. The pulse effect is there, but the way it is created comes as follows:
It is created at the point where the sensors collect the charge from Wimshurst segments. Hundreds of minimal charges/discharges take place just before or whenever the sensor approached the next rotating segment (you'll hear it crackling softly). These are the impulses he receives. Too weak.

The second video from NTesla is also interesting, as I had similar setups. The Wimshurst machine must be very efficient (looking at how small it is and how slow it is rotated) - and yet it produces a strong LED lightning frequently. A very good device to build upon for further experiments.

Back to the first videos: he shows a thick bronze coil in the pipe. I believe that someone of the Methernitha group showed a visitor also a thick bronze coil (with similar few windings) which was supposed to be in the "magic pots". There may be some importance to it. But I doubt a thicker wire provides more power just out of nothing. What a thicker wire does is: it can collect more charge. Hah, that brings me to the next...


Abstract theorisation:
Let's assume the thick wire coil has an initial charge of 10.
Let's assume each Wimshurst segment accumulates more and more charge until a charge of 1000 is reached.

Now we know that electrostatic charge is on the surface of the wire, but not within the wire. Compare it with an "ocean" floating on top of the thick wire. First it is a small pool of water. We add some drops of water and it grows to a sea. We add some more and it grows to an ocean. The ocean cannot escape. The ocean only needs very few "water drops" to sustain itself. The problem is, the ocean does nothing. it just sits there. No motion no power. What we need to do is to make the ocean wobble. We must create Tsunami waves.

(While writing this I suddenly understand why some people called the Testatika a "Gezeiten-Maschine" or "Tides / Tidal wave machine").

Offline gauschor

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Re: Stepping Down a Wimshurst
« Reply #66 on: January 15, 2014, 12:51:31 PM »
Oh well, after thinking a night about it I came to the conclusion it's not easy to create a electrostatic "Tsunami". I mean how?

Only a magnetically quenched spark gap could potentially produce something like a quench... a "shallow coast-line" where the waves pile up. But the problem is the spark gap. Once it will discharge, it's over. The electrostatic ocean is empty. And a magnet approaching a standing electrostatic ocean has no effect either.

Also if there is an electrostatic charge on the plate already the electrons move away from each other as far as they can. So basically there isn't even a "shallow coast line". The electrons are already on the coast.

The only thing one can do is to influence the electrons by other electrons of the same charge which moves both electrons away from each other: say you have a disc full of [-] charged segments, which are rotated by an equally [-] charged touchless sensor which is connected to a flyback transformer. So there you go with an electrostatic ocean which never discharges and hardly needs any charge to sustain itself. Furthermore each time an induction effect is produced. Maybe the Testatika used something like that. So they never used the electrostatic charge directly, only the influence of it. But I am quite certain that the induction effect is still too weak to produce usable voltage :(

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Offline PiCéd

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Re: Stepping Down a Wimshurst
« Reply #67 on: January 15, 2014, 04:50:11 PM »
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Re: Stepping Down a Wimshurst
« Reply #68 on: January 15, 2014, 05:45:21 PM »
P=0.5xCxU²

You got a point in there. So it could work if create a capacitance high enough.  Now the question is how do we get it high enough on a small segment area. I just read in the wiki:

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Aktuelle (2009) Forschungen beschäftigen sich unter anderem mit neuen Oberflächenstrukturierungen der Elektroden. Beispielsweise lässt sich durch eine Nanostruktur in Form von Milliarden nebeneinander liegender kleiner Löcher in einer dünnen Aluminiumschicht, beschichtet mit Titan-Nitrid/Aluminiumoxid/Titan-Nitrid als kapazitiver Aufbau, die Leistungsdichte eines Nanokondensators, gemessen in W/kg, um mehr als das Zehnfache gegenüber Elektrolytkondensatoren vergrößern

Roughly translated: research in 2009 found out that a thin aluminum sheet with billions of nano-sized holes coated with Titan-Nitrid/Aluminumoxid/Titan-Nitrid as a capacitor layers have a power density more than 10 times larger compared to electrolyte capacitors.

This reminds me a lot about Paul Baumann claiming that the effect only works on perforated sheets. Obviously he found out about this 30 years before our "high-end" research.

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Re: Stepping Down a Wimshurst
« Reply #68 on: January 15, 2014, 05:45:21 PM »
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