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Author Topic: EER Joule Thief using an earth battery to start a joule thief.  (Read 134428 times)

Offline FrozenWaterLab

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Re: EER Joule Thief using an earth battery to start a joule thief.
« Reply #165 on: September 03, 2010, 03:31:11 PM »
Hi all,
This is short.
I made the barber pole today using a copper pipe instead of carbon, and about 60 inches of magnesium as lidmotor showed in yesterday's video.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IsiOyw3IrN0

Copper should not work as well as carbon, but it is much less expensive and easier to get than a piece of carbon that has the same diameter.
So, I used a 3/4 inch pipe which I sanded and wrapped in cotton cloth then wrapped that in densely wound magnesium ribbon, about 60 inches, and it works very well.
I also put a drop of oil onto the magnesium where it is exposed to the air, as lidmotor suggests.
This is very convenient and also portable battery.
I expect it to work very well in the earth too.
The price is right too. It is easy to pay $8 for a 75 foot roll which can make 15 of these.

jeanna

I hope you Barry one of these to see if the Mg deterioration is slowed or not.
FrznWtr

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Re: EER Joule Thief using an earth battery to start a joule thief.
« Reply #166 on: September 04, 2010, 07:15:05 AM »
Hello to All
Well I finally found Dolomite Lime at Lows - last place I looked. I got 3 bags about $20 total.
It's 8pm so no digging till tomorrow.
I want to get some of that Alum/Magnesium welding wire to put in the Trench also, along with the Mg Ribbon. I am going out to plot and peruse the sight for a bit though.
Think I should whip up ah bourbon to help the creative flow

Home depot did have a 40' roll of 7 strand copper at about $.65 a ft. I think its about 3 or 4 gage (Can't member) the individual strands are about the same size as the soft iron tie wire in the concrete section - but I'll have to take my caliper with me tomorrow.
The sales Gall gave me the spool also. ++
I'll have to unwind this but its only 40' so can do in the driveway then I'll have 280' for my Positive E-W
It will have to be soldered but then for in the ground nothing fancy.
I'm thinking seriously measuring 280' of 26 gage mag wire that I have and burning it off for comparison.
I also found a copper plate thats silver coated and some copper ground strape (Lots of surface area) I'm thinking Plant Batt in the ground. My raised bed garden may even be conscripted for service (Better growth if ya raise em up outa the cold ground up here.)
Maybe a boost for the plants also.
That big steel ball float just caught my eye - 14" thick stuff - Was thinking resonant cavity - Hum

On another note I've noticed a couple comments about using Iron wire for the Neg   Element connections. The Neg is at the surface and I don't feel a real need exists for this.
I think the resistance of the Iron wire would offset any posable gain when the connecting point should be literally at the surface. Although someone did say something about putting your JT as close to the neg terminal as posable.
Any other thoughts on this?

I found a supper deal on E-bay for my trencher motor and after looking at that Spaid leaning on the fence I shot em a shipping Quote request.
See Here
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=200502649407&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT#ht_10454wt_1092
says free shipping but the caveat emporia is for contiguous 48. We take it as inevitable and their is no reason for it. But if it's not more then $150 I'll prob. get it. Thats a good price. Got some 4-5 hundred ft of trench I want if not more.
And then I can run the Poss line 2' deep with another one at 3" To 6" to test the difference.
Jumped out to shoot pic's of the trencher for ya.
The motor that lunched on it is about an 8 or 10 hp - that 16 should do alot better.

And last but not least is my new used meters I got - $150 with shipping for both. Little work ware, but they both function well (About 1/10th the new cost)
Now if we can just get things to the point we need that clamp meter. ;')
Till later FrznWtr

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Re: EER Joule Thief using an earth battery to start a joule thief.
« Reply #167 on: September 17, 2010, 02:14:41 AM »
Hello All
This is the engine I've ordered for my trencher.
NEW ELEC START 16 HP SIDE SHAFT GAS ENGINE GO KART MOWR US $394.99
Shipping is $185 to my home. so cost $580 - Now lets see if I can swap em before winter hits.

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Re: EER Joule Thief using an earth battery to start a joule thief.
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Offline Pardon

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Re: EER Joule Thief using an earth battery to start a joule thief.
« Reply #168 on: November 29, 2010, 07:19:51 AM »
Hello all
I just wanted to update my eer cell JT information. my cells were made
on 4/10/2010. i have not touched the cells sence that time. my JT finally
will not light steady it blinks 1 time about every 1 second. the blinking started on nov 26 2010. but until friday it was lit for almost 7 1/2 months

my cells are made with copper pipe and mag fire starter blocks.

Dennis

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Re: EER Joule Thief using an earth battery to start a joule thief.
« Reply #169 on: November 29, 2010, 07:44:37 AM »
Hello all
I just wanted to update my eer cell JT information. my cells were made
on 4/10/2010. i have not touched the cells sence that time. my JT finally
will not light steady it blinks 1 time about every 1 second. the blinking started on nov 26 2010. but until friday it was lit for almost 7 1/2 months

my cells are made with copper pipe and mag fire starter blocks.

Dennis

Wow, nice work.  if you added a cap to the mix I'll bet the led would be on all of the time.

Bill

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Re: EER Joule Thief using an earth battery to start a joule thief.
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Offline kb24

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Re: EER Joule Thief using an earth battery to start a joule thief.
« Reply #170 on: December 08, 2010, 04:21:00 PM »
Hi,

I am new member in this forum. I am currently working on a project about earth battery. I am using a 2cm x 10cm plate of copper and zinc. My reading was 0.8V and 0.1mA per cell.

After reading so many post, i found out that joule thief can be used to power up my earth cell, so i make a joule thief from tutorial on youtube. But the joule thief i use can be only used on battery and not earth battery. May i know why?

And i read from earlier post that lightsaber has done a joule thief for earth battery. May i know the how to build it?

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Re: EER Joule Thief using an earth battery to start a joule thief.
« Reply #171 on: January 02, 2011, 02:20:25 PM »
Good Morning everyone
I have been working with earth batteries for most of the sommer and fall and recently came across the idea of a jule thief.
I built a joule thief and it works well on just a battery. However when i hook it up to my earth battery the voltage actually goes down from .899 volts to .458 volts. Does any one have any idea what direction i can go to correct this?
Let me know.
thanks
Scott

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Re: EER Joule Thief using an earth battery to start a joule thief.
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Offline IotaYodi

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Re: EER Joule Thief using an earth battery to start a joule thief.
« Reply #172 on: January 02, 2011, 05:45:27 PM »
Add more Earth cells in both series and parallel to up the voltage and amps. You could also upgrade the materiel's as well as their size. A small common copper and zinc setup doesnt put out many milliamps. Check out the difference in amps of the dry cell compared to the earth cell.   

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Re: EER Joule Thief using an earth battery to start a joule thief.
« Reply #173 on: January 04, 2011, 02:13:29 PM »
@ All,  I am testing a joulethief powered by 1x AA rechargable battery with 1x LED lit + charging a supercap,
          and I left it on overnight and I lost  4 mV on the run battery, but gained 192 mV on my supercap.

          Is this overunity by any chance ????

          I will be doing more experiments.

          Sorry I know this does not belong in this thread, but I wondered why all the main members seem to
          have left the joulethief thread !

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Re: EER Joule Thief using an earth battery to start a joule thief.
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Re: EER Joule Thief using an earth battery to start a joule thief.
« Reply #174 on: January 04, 2011, 08:53:23 PM »
@freepow, I am NOT posting this to scold you or anybody.
It sort of sounds that way, so sorry. I mean NO unkindness.  ;)


I don't know why anybody uses the wrong thread knowingly.
that happened early on with this thread.

If I recall, this thread is about using an earth or plant (potted inside) battery to run a jtc.
It requires a pretty good jtc because the amperage in a plant battery is very low.

So, this was supposed to be a thread about getting the right amounts and parts together so anybody anywhere in the world with very little resources could have a light.

I think it was hard for people to keep from diverging, so when I accomplished what I was after, I stopped posting.
That is all recorded and anyone who wants to can look it up.

I don't mind repeating myself a little, because I still remember when others gave me that courtesy, but I am busy with other things and all that anybody needs is already posted somewhere around here.

About self running circuits, check out lasersaber's ringer or kooler's captret threads on the joule thief forums.
There is plenty to encourage and work with over there.

jeanna

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Re: EER Joule Thief using an earth battery to start a joule thief.
« Reply #175 on: January 05, 2011, 02:38:59 AM »
can anyone explain which is primary winding? 12turn or 4turn is the primary winding?

As i read through some previous pages, most having EB with low voltage but so much higher ampere than me. My EB only have 9V, 0.1mA.. I use my EB to power my fuji circuit but couldnt work. So i plan to use JT to power up my fuji perhaps.

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Re: EER Joule Thief using an earth battery to start a joule thief.
« Reply #176 on: January 05, 2011, 08:45:29 AM »
can anyone explain which is primary winding? 12turn or 4turn is the primary winding?

As i read through some previous pages, most having EB with low voltage but so much higher ampere than me. My EB only have 9V, 0.1mA.. I use my EB to power my fuji circuit but couldnt work. So i plan to use JT to power up my fuji perhaps.

4 is the primary, or as we decided to call the base windings.  If you add a super cap to your eb set-up, once charged a bit it should run your jt easily.  Just don't over charge it with your 9 volts as most are only 2.7 volts.  They can and will explode.

The spikes from your eb will be stored in the cap and from that you can run just about anything.  I learned this a while back and it allowed me to be able to do some cool things.

Hope this helps.

Bill

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Re: EER Joule Thief using an earth battery to start a joule thief.
« Reply #177 on: January 05, 2011, 12:19:37 PM »
Good Morning
I have been enjoying this site so much. Jeanna and Pirate88179 have been a tremendous help. Thanks again to both of you!
I always thought some of my ideas were simply reworked ideas as the motto above my work shop says "Ich erfinde das Rad täglich wieder" ( I reinvent the wheel) But Jeanna helped me realize that some of my tinkering and minor changes to other ideas may actually be usefull to others so in that light I would like to share some of them.
In experimenting with earth batteries this past sommer I was using shallow copper and zinc tubes  to test distance and positioning, it gave me lots of data some of which I am still going over. During those tests I also added a few others, the most promising of which was coal.
We all know that carbon is favorable to use over copper on the north/positive side. At the time i didn't have any carbon rods in my workshop but i did have lots of coal/carbon from my camp. so to use the coal, I cut a copper tube lengthwise in half for 2 feet. I put a hole in the ground using another metal rod then inserted the half copper tube so that the open part was facing south. I then crushed 2 pounds of coal into a fine powder an poured it into the hole with the half copeer tube and hooked it to a zinc tube thirty feet away.
I instantly got an increase of .1 volts ( just remember these were shallow tube tests) but the real advantage i found was that when other earth battery couples were dropping in voltage because of dry conditions the coal was very slow in dropping .I hope to test that better next year in the sommer when it gets dry up here along the lake.
Bizzy

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Re: EER Joule Thief using an earth battery to start a joule thief.
« Reply #178 on: June 09, 2013, 03:48:16 AM »
HI, I'm new to the forum. At the risk sounding dumb, could somebody please tell me what "EER" stands for? I understand "Joule Thief", as I have made a few of them, but the preceding acronym eludes me.. Thanks in advance.

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Re: EER Joule Thief using an earth battery to start a joule thief.
« Reply #179 on: June 11, 2013, 01:47:20 AM »
HI, I'm new to the forum. At the risk sounding dumb, could somebody please tell me what "EER" stands for? I understand "Joule Thief", as I have made a few of them, but the preceding acronym eludes me.. Thanks in advance.

Welcome to the forums.

EER is a term we coined a while back that means: Earth Energy Receiver.  We all felt like this better described what we were doing as opposed to Earth Battery as most of our designs were not batteries at all.

I hope this helps.

Bill

 

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