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Author Topic: EER Joule Thief using an earth battery to start a joule thief.  (Read 132711 times)

Offline ElectricGoose

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Re: EER Joule Thief using an earth battery to start a joule thief.
« Reply #90 on: March 31, 2010, 01:06:25 AM »
Here is my newest video

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BER7FTW1FfA

thanks to lasersaber and Shannon for making this latest success possible!

jeanna

Thanks Jeanna for explaining all that.

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Re: EER Joule Thief using an earth battery to start a joule thief.
« Reply #91 on: March 31, 2010, 01:27:29 AM »
Here is my newest video

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BER7FTW1FfA

thanks to lasersaber and Shannon for making this latest success possible!

jeanna

Jeanna

I guess it's a little early to ask, but if the earth is fairly damp, I wonder how much of this electrical generation is thanks to acidic galvanics and/or 'other'.  Have you checked to see if the Magnesium ribbon is deteriorating?

E-Goose

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Re: EER Joule Thief using an earth battery to start a joule thief.
« Reply #92 on: March 31, 2010, 02:13:47 AM »
Jeanna

I guess it's a little early to ask, but if the earth is fairly damp, I wonder how much of this electrical generation is thanks to acidic galvanics and/or 'other'.  Have you checked to see if the Magnesium ribbon is deteriorating?

E-Goose
I have not.
I refer you to Shannon's posts about the magnesium end snapping off. I moved my plant around to make the video today and to change the circuit it is running and the mg seems the same.
I am just going to wait.

This is entirely galvanic, but it is my hope that the microorganisms in the soil will replenish the ions lost to the light. There is only one way to find out.
Also, doing this inside is a good way to separate the telluric from the non-telluric.
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In fact, this is really not made the way I was going to make it.
I wanted the metals to be in good contact with the soil, but for starters, I just made it, and I will refine it later.
Here is what I did.

I wrapped a piece of unprinted newsprint papar around a 1 gallon jug.
Next, I wrapped a coil of wire around that
Then another piece of the paper
Followed by another winding of the other metal.

I didn't write it down, but I think the magnesium is on the outside touching the soil, but maybe not.

Then I placed the jug into the flower pot which had a small amount of soil on the bottom and around the sides.
Then pulled out the glass jug and squshed down the paper and  wires, added the plant and filled it in with soil.

The soil=mushroom compost was very damp because it has been outside in the rain all winter.

The meter immediately read 1.44v so I hooked up the joule thief...

That is pretty much it.
The wires are not N S as Shannon's are.
I think he has a good idea, but, as I said, I just wanted to start out easy, and see if that works.

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I liked Shannon's story of the peat pot and the compressed peat, so I bought a couple of sets to make 2 peat pot batteries. That will be next, but I must remember to get some of that coconut before it is gone from stock.

Thank you,

jeanna

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Re: EER Joule Thief using an earth battery to start a joule thief.
« Reply #92 on: March 31, 2010, 02:13:47 AM »
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Offline Rapadura

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Re: EER Joule Thief using an earth battery to start a joule thief.
« Reply #93 on: March 31, 2010, 02:37:13 AM »
The point of the Magnesium end deteriorating or not deteriorating is crucial.

If it don't deteriorate, or if it deteriorate at a very very slow pace, it will be REALLY great! Then I will build a "planter charger" to charge my cell phone battery!


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Re: EER Joule Thief using an earth battery to start a joule thief.
« Reply #94 on: March 31, 2010, 02:46:34 AM »
Well Rapadura, it is definitely very slow.

Shannon had the end break off after 4 weeks of constant running, but he could get it back and going again.
Even if this is one way, it is way better than a big pack of AA batteries, well way better if you are running a joule thief pulse generator.

How much does your phone battery need for a recharge?
I can see little planter boxes on the back shelf of everyone's cars recharging their phones! ;D

It might be helpful for someone to make one with a 1 1/2 inch piece of mg in a copper pipe end filled with dirt to see how long THAT lasts. Size for size, how does it compare to a AA or a C?
Hmm, I have a piece of pipe and a pipe cutter. Maybe I will try that.

thank you,

jeanna

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Re: EER Joule Thief using an earth battery to start a joule thief.
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Re: EER Joule Thief using an earth battery to start a joule thief.
« Reply #95 on: March 31, 2010, 04:42:49 AM »
I found a page that addresses mg in the soil.
It is an agricultural site and may contain biased info, however, this sentence about dolomite is probably right on.
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Proper liming with dolomitic limestone is almost always the most practical solution to low Mg, even if the dolomite is more expensive.
In a paragraph about toxicity of mg it mentions plants grown in  heavy Montmorillonite or clay soils without enough potassium.

http://www.spectrumanalytic.com/support/library/ff/Mg_Basics.htm

So, my suggestion is that a little dolomite added to the soil of the Cu-Mg plant battery could replenish the mg ions to the battery if the soil doesn't do it for us.

mmm this is fun!

jeanna

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Re: EER Joule Thief using an earth battery to start a joule thief.
« Reply #96 on: March 31, 2010, 06:31:11 AM »
Great job Jeanna

btw you gave me the idea to remake my eer cells. i will be removing them and inspecting them and after cleaning them up. I plan on wraping the magnesium in non printed newspaper then switching my copper pipe to copper wire and wraping the magnesium and paper with the wire. i know my cells work and i do have to water them every once in a wile. but your light is much brighter them mine and i just connect the led directly across the wires. thanks for the idea

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Re: EER Joule Thief using an earth battery to start a joule thief.
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Offline jeanna

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Re: EER Joule Thief using an earth battery to start a joule thief.
« Reply #97 on: March 31, 2010, 07:20:40 AM »
Great job Jeanna

btw you gave me the idea to remake my eer cells. i will be removing them and inspecting them and after cleaning them up. I plan on wraping the magnesium in non printed newspaper then switching my copper pipe to copper wire and wraping the magnesium and paper with the wire. i know my cells work and i do have to water them every once in a wile. but your light is much brighter them mine and i just connect the led directly across the wires. thanks for the idea

Dennis
Hi Dennis,
How long has your cu-mg eer been running?
I am guessing that the reason my light is brighter is that it is a joule thief.
The trick the joule thief plays on your eyes is that the light is so bright  even though it is only on half of the time.

When you take it apart, please describe what the electrodes look like and how long they have been in use.
I am very curious to see.
Of course a sharp close up is best but that is really hard to do, so you are already off the hook there  ;)

I was actually wondering if the paper is a good idea.
I think it is a good way to separate the 2 wires from each other, but if my idea is right about magnesium ions in the soil replenishing the magnesium ions that are going into the circuit, maybe the paper will get in the way??

My experiments will be testing this idea about the magnesium in the soil. If yours are not about that then it won't make any difference.

thank you,

jeanna

edit
I just saw your diagram of the pulser.
Is that the one that is not so bright?
I am surprised.

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Re: EER Joule Thief using an earth battery to start a joule thief.
« Reply #98 on: April 01, 2010, 03:45:54 AM »
I just made a small double peat pot with 24 inches each cu and mg wire and lined each with soil then added a single stem with root for the plant because that is all that will fit.
It shows 1.7v
and when shorted through a .5ohm resistor the meter says 2.9mv so applying ohm's law this means I am getting around 5.8mA

and it will not start a joule thief.

I will post the pic of the peat pot arrangement.
I think it is like Shannon's??

@Shannon, do you think I should wait? It seems very wet.

jeanna

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The big plant from yesterday when subjected to the same amps test is 4mV/.5ohm=8mA
That is still very low and close to 5.8, so I will wait...(I was going to wait anyway  ;) )

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Re: EER Joule Thief using an earth battery to start a joule thief.
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Re: EER Joule Thief using an earth battery to start a joule thief.
« Reply #99 on: April 01, 2010, 06:03:42 AM »
It has been a little over 2 hours.
I added more soil so it went over the top of both coils of wires
Then I added more water
And read the joule thief thread from the beginning to find how I made that joule thief etc.
(who needs to eat dinner when you're having so much fun?)

I just tried the germanium jtc again and this time with NO base resistor as freepow suggested for eb's, and it blinked a few times then got pale but solid and now seems to be building a little brightness!
I am glad the memory cap is there. It might be important here.

jeanna

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Re: EER Joule Thief using an earth battery to start a joule thief.
« Reply #100 on: April 01, 2010, 06:11:47 AM »
well the rewiring is finished on the eer cell. not good at all almost no mamps like .02 or .03 and the voltage is only 1.07  i will let it set a day and recheck it tomarrow. i think maybe the magnesium may need to touch more dirt. but the copper wire is wound around the mag with paper in between and the mag sticking out both sides.

the copper pipe i had been using is in real good shape.not to much corrosion on it. the fire starter block did have a small amount of ?? i really do not know what to call it. discoloration but when i scraped/brushed/washed off the dirt i could still read the original writing on the side of it. the worst thing was the striker rail had come off.

i would have to say my eer's have been in use at least 6 months. hmmm how long has it been since i was last posting about sea/water batteries. well i made these right after testing the water batteries. i remember telling a retired school teacher friend of mine, i have to water my lights every 3 weeks or so.

i was thinking maybe i would take another cell and try using iron wire wrapped around the magnesium. i really want to know what that would produce.

Dennis

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Re: EER Joule Thief using an earth battery to start a joule thief.
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Re: EER Joule Thief using an earth battery to start a joule thief.
« Reply #101 on: April 01, 2010, 06:58:47 AM »
well the rewiring is finished on the eer cell. not good at all almost no mamps like .02 or .03 and the voltage is only 1.07  i will let it set a day and recheck it tomarrow. i think maybe the magnesium may need to touch more dirt. but the copper wire is wound around the mag with paper in between and the mag sticking out both sides.
Is the paper very wet?
I think it needs to get started.
And, I also suspect the magnesium needs to totally touch the dirt

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the copper pipe i had been using is in real good shape.not to much corrosion on it

that's good news

also good news about the magnesium block.
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i would have to say my eer's have been in use at least 6 months.
That is a good long time.
Have you been using the magnesium fire block during this time too?

Doesn't it sound like there is not enough surface of dirt which is the electrolyte, touching the electrodes?
That is what it sounds like to me.
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i was thinking maybe i would take another cell and try using iron wire wrapped around the magnesium. i really want to know what that would produce.
Please keep us posted.

thank you,

jeanna



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Re: EER Joule Thief using an earth battery to start a joule thief.
« Reply #102 on: April 02, 2010, 12:13:36 AM »
Hi everybody,

I measured across the 2 secondaries on Plant battery #1.
The results on that bigger pot and with a silicon diode and 2 secondaries is:
2o #1 :
5.95v
222KHz
and for 2o #2:
5.14v
222KHz

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I measured across the 1 secondary on Plant battery #2 as well.
This pic of the working plant battery #2 should finish off the information you need on this.
I took some readings from that red secondary.
The voltage is
4.95v at
125Khz
I am never sure if this is absolutely correct when the basic jt light goes out when I measure across the secondary, but this is all I can do.


Here is the pic of plant battery #2.
You can see the 6 base resistors, and if you look close, you can see they are twisted together at the bottom and so are shorted and there is no resistor there.
I do not get why this works or why this is the only way so far that it works, but at least it does work.

jeanna

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Re: EER Joule Thief using an earth battery to start a joule thief.
« Reply #103 on: April 03, 2010, 04:48:59 AM »
It looks like their is a lot of activity and EER Joule Thief experiments going on, with the weather finally warming up we have another season for trying out new ideas.  I'm following Lasersaber's lead and using mg ribbon south and copper wire north.  I now have 4 cells connected in parallel.  One cell works better on a single wire.  My cells are putting out over 30 MA at 1.7 V and now I am able to light two LED's using the basic Joule Thief circuit run a small motor and charge a 5 10 Farad and 1 50 Farad 2.5V supercaps to .83 V at the same time. Here is a link to my Youtube channel if anyone is interested:  http://www.youtube.com/user/dcspc1?feature=mhw5 I'll try to post a new video next week.  Keep moving forward.  Happy Easter everyone!

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Re: EER Joule Thief using an earth battery to start a joule thief.
« Reply #104 on: April 04, 2010, 04:41:44 AM »
I am looking forward to getting 30mA from my EER.
Congratulations, dcc!

At the moment, my plant batteries are giving less than 8mA and I think the 8mA has gone down and is maybe 5mA.
However, the 2 plants have been running a light each for another 24 hours.
Of course, 1 bright white led is merely a night light. It is a pleasure to see 2 nite lights coming from the plants when I look on them at 3:00 AM, but 30 mA will be much more light.

My water with mg sulphate control had even less mA this morning and the ribbon was terribly corroded. It seems to be corrosion on top of the ribbon, and not below the normal surface, so it IS possible that the mg is getting precipitated onto the ribbon as the current goes to the copper electrode, but too hard to tell. If I scrape the ribbon smooth it comes to life again.
I guess I should look into some normal electrolyte uses again. In the morning there was H2 on the magnesium ribbon ... maybe a little on the copper too, and a little shaking dislodged it and I popped the bubbles with a flame on the surface of the water.

The ribbon coming out of the soil shows no change at all.

So, ho hum ... another report that it continues to work for another 24 hours! :D

jeanna


 

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