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Author Topic: EER Joule Thief using an earth battery to start a joule thief.  (Read 129206 times)

Offline jeanna

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Re: EER Joule Thief using an earth battery to start a joule thief.
« Reply #150 on: June 12, 2010, 08:16:59 PM »
Hi pegasus,
I am still trying to get enough power from my eer to light more than 1 white led.

If you go to the joule thief 101 thread, you can see some entries I made to help people get started working with the joule thief.
You probably need to get a bunch of magnesium ribbon since that has jump started many projects that were languishing.

I suggest looking at lasersaber's youtube channel. He was able to get well over what you will need to do what you are trying to accomplish.
But also check out lidmotor's latest videos esp the mosquito.

I am making a copper pipe wrapped with magnesium today to see how much I can get from it and I will report about that somewhere.

In my plant batteries, 60 inches of magnesium ribbon was enough to get me around 8mA into the joule thief for a few weeks, so I think you should plan on more.
I also found that making the wires go in a ring or spiral around the plant enhanced the result.
This is contrary to the N-S wisdom of eer's that dictates that it works better when the wires are on the right line. So, check out putting the wires in a ring around the plants.

And, let us know.

jeanna

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Re: EER Joule Thief using an earth battery to start a joule thief.
« Reply #151 on: June 13, 2010, 01:44:30 AM »

Hi all,
This is short.
I made the barber pole today using a copper pipe instead of carbon, and about 60 inches of magnesium as lidmotor showed in yesterday's video.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IsiOyw3IrN0

Copper should not work as well as carbon, but it is much less expensive and easier to get than a piece of carbon that has the same diameter.
So, I used a 3/4 inch pipe which I sanded and wrapped in cotton cloth then wrapped that in densely wound magnesium ribbon, about 60 inches, and it works very well.
I also put a drop of oil onto the magnesium where it is exposed to the air, as lidmotor suggests.
This is very convenient and also portable battery.
I expect it to work very well in the earth too.
The price is right too. It is easy to pay $8 for a 75 foot roll which can make 15 of these.

jeanna

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Re: EER Joule Thief using an earth battery to start a joule thief.
« Reply #152 on: June 14, 2010, 04:27:14 AM »
  Jeanna:
   I just showed your new video to my wife today, when she saw it she said,  "Oh, just make that a hole lot bigger". 
      Could this be part of women's intuition?
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Re: EER Joule Thief using an earth battery to start a joule thief.
« Reply #153 on: June 16, 2010, 01:07:12 AM »
Hi NickZ,
 ;D
There are a few of us working on these and I am the only one of my gender (that I know of).  ;D

Can you get some magnesium ribbon?
It is a good price for the life you get as compared to a manufactured battery, so give it a try.
It works best with a joule thief because the joule thief makes so much with such low voltage.
There is a lot more experimenting to do.

I am making these for a few reasons, but the most important right now is to compare it with the plant batteries. THEY lasted a really long time and are going to be hard to beat.
The advantage of these is their portability.

It makes sense to me to have a bunch of both.

thank you,

jeanna

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Re: EER Joule Thief using an earth battery to start a joule thief.
« Reply #154 on: June 16, 2010, 03:02:33 AM »
    @Jeanna:
   Thanks so much for your reply.  I am so totally amazed by the JT, and will definitely try the Barber Pole-Giant JT combo.   That is the direction that I'm walking towards, now. Belive it or not, I will name It:
             -The Mini Hadron-         Ahhhhh,  I can see it now....
      Although,  I may be joking a bit,   I won't be for long...
   
   What do you think of the following idea? 
   Using one (or more) 6 foot long copper grounding rods, covered with cotton, wound with magnesium ribbon, and buried in moist ground or inside a sealed moist 2" PVC pipe?  Then, connected to a version of the JT's big brother, and further wired to a big huge 2 foot TPU style toroid coil, in resonant feed-back mode? 
          Can you forsee any sparks flying?
   My best to you and the JT team, and the barber shop boys.
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Re: EER Joule Thief using an earth battery to start a joule thief.
« Reply #155 on: June 21, 2010, 12:38:07 AM »
Well, I have to say that after a rash of attempts to make a good working galvanic battery that can rival the plant battery, I am utterly convinced that the plant battery can and does outperform anything like this.

I was able to run any of my plant batteries for over one week lighting one or two leds from a secondary.
In fact after just short of 3 months the phyllis plant battery is continuing to light the original led without any flashing or other signs of slowing down.

The convenient size of a 4" pot with a plant in it and a spiral of 20 inches of both copper and magnesium wires is the convenience winner.

The 12" pot with 60 inches of each wire is the longevity winner. It continued to light the leds for 5 weeks with the mere addition of 4 inches at the surface of the soil on a weekly basis.

GO PLANTS!

jeanna

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Re: EER Joule Thief using an earth battery to start a joule thief.
« Reply #156 on: June 21, 2010, 05:57:39 AM »
 Jeanna: 
   Ok, thanks for the update,  the barber pole is on hold. Back to watering the plants.  One thing though, you should at least get an honorable mention, for trying.
   My best to you,
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Re: EER Joule Thief using an earth battery to start a joule thief.
« Reply #157 on: June 21, 2010, 08:19:27 AM »
Jeanna:

I wonder what might happen if, after all of this time running your leds from the plant (Great job by the way!!) if you could take seeds from that plant, or a sprout, or whatever it might have, and start another plant from the one that is "used" to having the copper and mag. in its system.  Do you think the plant might adapt and possibly "learn" to use these new materials in a more efficient way?

In other words, do you think your output might actually increase by using the offspring from your original plant?

With what little I know about how nature works, I think it might be possible.  You might start a new hybrid strain of electric plants.

Excellent work you , and the others, have been doing here.

Bill

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Re: EER Joule Thief using an earth battery to start a joule thief.
« Reply #158 on: June 21, 2010, 05:00:38 PM »
  @ Jeanna, Pirate, & All:
   One thing that you might also try, is to place small rusty nails inside the pots, or in the roots of the plants.  Different metals may help with the galvanic effect.
  I always noticed that plants that are in the ground grew faster and bigger than a control group of the same plants that was in pots, right next to the ones in the ground.  I think that is because there is much more electric current flowing in the ground than in any pot. I also noticed that some plants really took off if placed in aluminum pots instead of plastic or ceramic.  I think that it all has to do with the electricity in the ground, or in the aluminum pots.  In the case of aluminum,  the older and more sulfated the metal pot the better. 
   Sorry to hear about the Barber-Pole, not paning out as well, I was hoping to use my wife's idea of incasing the B-pole in a sealed PVC pipe to keep it moist, and be more portable.
   In anycase, good luck with your work.
                                         
  @Pirate:   I'd like your recomendation as to how to built the strongest and most powerfull JT ever made so far. The big brother of the JT.  As I plan to light my house, not just LEDs but need about 10 to 20 amps or more.  I noticed that one guy hooked up a JT to a 15 pound torroid.  So, what do you say?  If you like, you can answer in a different thread, (Giant JT thread)  Very interested in Your ideas...
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Re: EER Joule Thief using an earth battery to start a joule thief.
« Reply #159 on: June 21, 2010, 08:53:03 PM »
NickZ:

To my knowledge, Jeanna has produced the highest output hand wound JT circuit to date. (See the Jeanna Circuit)

I think what you are asking for is not really possible.  The unique qualities of the JT circuit do not include boosting amps so, the trick is to find ways to use volts and frequency to run things that before folks thought required amps, or at least, mA's.  CFL's, floro tubes and leds come to mind.  With the JT circuit, you are converting amps or Ma's to higher voltage and higher frequencies.  Some of us have run motors from them but I do not think you could run a refrigerator motor with a JT circuit.  I could be wrong though.

Possibly, if new style electric motors were designed to run on volts and freq. then maybe this would be possible.  Most motors of this type used in the home require amps, and quite a few of them especially upon start up under load.

Bill

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Re: EER Joule Thief using an earth battery to start a joule thief.
« Reply #160 on: June 21, 2010, 11:09:52 PM »
    @Pirate:
     Thank you so much for your honest answer,  it does also reflect what I was thinking.  So, back to the drawing board for me.
    I'm still waiting for the results from IST and his newest project of hooking up a JT to a florescent light ballast, and use that as leverage to output more than with just the JT.   If you hear of any other means of creating some home type of useable power, please let me know.
  I see a very usefull purpose in the "Jeanna light" as an emergency back-up, when the lights go out, which here is quiet often. And I think there can still be some upscale possible to that method, as is being shown by -Lidmotor- in his lighting a CFL and self charging videos.
                                                              Thanks again,
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Re: EER Joule Thief using an earth battery to start a joule thief.
« Reply #161 on: June 22, 2010, 12:47:00 AM »
Thanks Nick and Bill,
I am not stopping the barber pole and air batteries, I just want to remind myself how much better the output was when there was a living plant in the middle of a spiral of the 2 wires.

@Bill,
I love the idea of using a next generation to look for adaptation that will enhance the electrical effect!!
LOVE IT.
It will take a bit of time to get seeds going, but I will do this for sure.
Thanks for the suggestion.

@Nick,
I was getting better results when I added Magnesium carbonate which is in dolomite.
There was a big difference in both the strength of the circuit and the vitality of the plant.
[One day without realizing what I was doing I "added" magnesium carbonate to the control that was not supposed to have any. It took off, but I lost my control after that. It was about 3 weeks into this.]

I am not going to try the iron only because I want to play with the magnesium element, because I am suspecting that the magnesium atoms/molecules might be lining up in a wire like direction.
How else can it be that adding a 4 inch piece of magnesium can get the 60 inch effect back?

I was not fishing around in the dirt and soldering the new magnesium bit to the old one, I was just kind of aiming in the same general direction.
It blows my mind, in fact.

So, thank you, both.

The thing on my plate is to work out a way to toss the joules back and forth across the wire ends of the secondary.
 I have done this a couple of times, and it really works, but I haven't done it every time, and I want to get this down.
IMO, It is the best way to stretch what is there to produce more.

thank you,

jeanna

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Re: EER Joule Thief using an earth battery to start a joule thief.
« Reply #162 on: September 03, 2010, 01:37:41 PM »
@ Jeanna
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On day #15, (Apr 8 )  it went out and I touched it and a 5 inch piece of mg ribbon came off in my hands and I stuck it back in the soil to have a think, and the lights went on bright. ... a 5 inch piece of ribbon?---

That made me think about those old timers stories again.
I wonder if my planter has a current in the soil that now follows a certain path which was originally defined by the magnesium ribbon, but continues even though the ribbon is in bad shape?

Today I tested this thought again, because today the white light went out, which means the amps are below um 4mA or so.
I cut a fresh piece of Mg ribbon about 3-4 inches long and stuck it under the clip and into the soil at the place where the mg comes out of the soil.
then I sprayed the soil with some water as usual.

The light got really bright = brighter than it has been in a few days.
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This is good info to try if the circuit in the ground quits.
I will try if it happens.
FrznWtr


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Re: EER Joule Thief using an earth battery to start a joule thief.
« Reply #163 on: September 03, 2010, 03:11:22 PM »
Hi everybody,
Here is another video. It is following the development of the outside plant battery (aka earth battery  ;) )
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nPmSbvssYUc
It is only 3 minutes, but not very compressed so you can see the red led. Still, I may need to make pointers so you can see the light.
jeanna

Oh how I wish I'd seen this before I did the work I did today. I could have easily pored some Dolomite Lime in on top of my Mg Ribbon.
Well spilt milk & all
This must be turned into a good thing. I will dig another trench about a foot further from the fence and lay another Mg Ribbon.
On this one I will pore the dolomite before burying. Two experiments possible. Will a line in lime :') establish it's own power channel?
AND will two Neg lines next to each other add to my EB's overall output and if so how much.
Tomorrows project go to H.D. or green house for Dolomite. And retrench. Spiral also if time (With lime)
(Hope my birch like a sweet soil)
Need to hook up a JT soon also.
Right now my ribbon is shorted to the carbon.
FrznWtr

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Re: EER Joule Thief using an earth battery to start a joule thief.
« Reply #164 on: September 03, 2010, 03:24:46 PM »
Hello Jeanna and All..
I'm a novice in the joule thief art, and I have to power some leds,but until now I had no success.I have tried a basic circuit found on the web,rated for only on led, but didn't worked with 10 led put in parallel.I have to build a trap for the tomato moth,and I have to power ten  5mm 3Volts Ultraviolet leds put in series.The earth battery seems a good solution, because the trap is far from my house . I have a couple of  ultracaps rated 20 Farad 2,5 Volts.Can you suggest me a circuit that accomplish this task?
Thanks for your time....

What a great use for an EER - I like it But the LED's should Prob go in Parilel on a secondary with multipal inductors. Ask Jeanna for help on that shes the inductor wiz gal.

for EB info to power it go to lazersabers thread here -might help.
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=8640.0

Hope you get it going
FrznWtr

 

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