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Author Topic: Cooling effects in Steorn eOrbo  (Read 35110 times)

PaulLowrance

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Cooling effects in Steorn eOrbo
« on: December 26, 2009, 05:45:15 PM »
If anyone wants to start a disucssion how the Steorn obro works then please post here. Stefan has blocked me from posting in the main Orbo thread, and why ... because I am posting what FEMM shows?

http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=8411.msg217540#msg217540
« Last Edit: December 28, 2009, 10:57:34 PM by hartiberlin »

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Re: Tech discussion how eOrbo works
« Reply #1 on: December 26, 2009, 05:46:06 PM »
How the permeability motor works:The magnet approaches the toroid, and magnetizes it. The effective permeability at this point is low. The toroid turns on during this low permeability stage. The magnets then move away thus increasing the effective permeability, and the toroid coil then turns off, but the effective permeability is higher than when they turned on. That is how the electrical energy is converted into mechanical energy, because of the change in permeability. That's why long ago in this thread I called it a permeability motor and requested Ben to do the experiment so you people could how it's working.

That's not to say Steorn's motor is not producing excess energy. We'll have to see, and I'm hopeful, but it's far far far more complex than what's being said here. The bemf is there when the current is on, and it requires current to make the motor spin. This motor does have bemf.

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Re: Tech discussion how eOrbo works
« Reply #2 on: December 26, 2009, 06:05:18 PM »
PL
Interesting, Is that what happened? Banned?
I was just looking at the interesting link tagor posted.

http://jnaudin.free.fr/steorn/index.htm

Answered some questions I had!

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Re: Tech discussion how eOrbo works
« Reply #3 on: December 26, 2009, 06:09:28 PM »

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Re: Tech discussion how eOrbo works
« Reply #4 on: December 26, 2009, 06:10:31 PM »
PL I don't think you are banned from the thread as I have the same issue of not being able to make new posts there, so I think it's just a temporarily glitch. But this thread has some good timing as I have some very good logic behind the mechanical energy gain.

Edit: Looks like it's fixed and I can make new posts there.

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Re: Tech discussion how eOrbo works
« Reply #5 on: December 26, 2009, 06:12:17 PM »
@PL,

So why do you believe there is BEMF in the core just because the magnets are present?
The permeability of the core does not change much until you reach nearly the saturation point.
If the core was already saturated, there would be little BEMF to the initial current flow because the inductance of the coil would be small.



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Re: Tech discussion how eOrbo works
« Reply #6 on: December 26, 2009, 06:16:01 PM »

 Yes, he kicked me out for doing nothing but posting the truth. Yet stefan keeps spread a lie that this permeability motor has no bemf, but stefan refuses to even acknowledge what I've said, which is it has no bemf when there's no current, but you can't have a motor without current, lol. It does indeed have bemf if there's current in the motor.
 
 Same old thing, encourage false information, and that way it makes it very difficult to get people to focus on the truth so we can one day have global free energy.
 

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Re: Tech discussion how eOrbo works
« Reply #7 on: December 26, 2009, 06:17:08 PM »
@PL,

So why do you believe there is BEMF in the core just because the magnets are present?
The permeability of the core does not change much until you reach nearly the saturation point.
If the core was already saturated, there would be little BEMF to the initial current flow because the inductance of the coil would be small.

I've explained this. It's very easy to see in FEMM. If there's no change in effective permeability then there's no motor. The bemf is clearly there when there's current in the coil.

IMO, if there's excess energy in this eOrbo design, then it's from magnetic viscosity.

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Re: Tech discussion how eOrbo works
« Reply #8 on: December 26, 2009, 06:19:05 PM »
PL your paranoia has blinded you from the truth, I just said I too was locked out of the thread. Apparently you have locked the thread yourself by accident! Atleast it deserves an apology to Stefan.

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Re: Tech discussion how eOrbo works
« Reply #9 on: December 26, 2009, 06:23:16 PM »
PL I don't think you are banned from the thread as I have the same issue of not being able to make new posts there, so I think it's just a temporarily glitch. But this thread has some good timing as I have some very good logic behind the mechanical energy gain.

Edit: Looks like it's fixed and I can make new posts there.

I hope you're right. Lets see. That would just piss the hell out of me because stefan has been ignoring me ever since I spent like a month replicating gadgetmall's JT claim to only show 55% efficiency. And now to ban me from the thread because I'm only showing what FEMM shows that there's bemf when there's current in the coil. And why has stefan and gang ignored my post on this over the past 24 hours?


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Re: Tech discussion how eOrbo works
« Reply #10 on: December 26, 2009, 06:27:50 PM »
I hope you're right. Lets see. That would just piss the hell out of me because stefan has been ignoring me ever since I spent like a month replicating gadgetmall's JT claim to only show 55% efficiency. And now to ban me from the thread because I'm only showing what FEMM shows that there's bemf when there's current in the coil. And why has stefan and gang ignored my post on this over the past 24 hours?

Don't take it too personally, my posts have been ignored as well. There's only one person I know is listening. MH is funnily enough using our words and repeating it as a parrot and somehow is getting the attention of the people. This world is upside down.

PL I'm more into live chats on an irc channel. It would be intresting to have you on a channel as well.

irc://irc.ubuntu.com/lenz

That's the place where I and someone else hang out.

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Re: Tech discussion how eOrbo works
« Reply #11 on: December 26, 2009, 06:32:58 PM »

Thanks broli, it's been a long time since I've been pissed like that.

Talking about live chat, are you also on Google Talk? I use the live google talk windows app, and can be reached via invite using my email address,

http://globalfreeenergy.info/contact-me/

It's very simple, and a lot of people use it. For people who don't want to use a windows app can also use the google talk via their web browser if they have a google email account.

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Re: Tech discussion how eOrbo works
« Reply #12 on: December 26, 2009, 06:41:23 PM »
Stefan said I locked the other Steorn thread, but I never started that thread, period. The 1st post is mine, but the only steorn thread I started was in the "News" area under a different title, but it's now gone. Also I never clicked the lock button. As I keep telling stefan for a long time now someone keeps logging into my account and reads my private messages. Maybe they clicked the lock button.

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Re: Tech discussion how eOrbo works
« Reply #13 on: December 26, 2009, 07:11:22 PM »
@PL
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The bemf is clearly there when there's current in the coil.

So you think if you would connect the coil to a scope, then bias the coil with a small current, possibly supplied through a resistor, that if the rotor was rotated it would show up on the scope somehow?

Or you thinking it would only show up as a difference from applying the current when the magnet was present compared to applying the current without the magnet present.

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Re: Tech discussion how eOrbo works
« Reply #14 on: December 26, 2009, 07:19:03 PM »

If the coil is biased then you'll see the induced voltage from the toroid core due to the spinning magnets.

I'm not saying the over all design is not cop>1 because there might be noticeable magnetic viscosity involved, but it's misleading to say there's no bemf. There's no back emf is there's no current in the coil, but who cares about that. What matters is if there's bemf if there's current in the coil.