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Author Topic: Constant flux DC motor/generator.  (Read 21489 times)

Offline lumen

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Re: Constant flux DC motor/generator.
« Reply #30 on: December 16, 2009, 05:47:25 PM »
@Broli,

I just want to say that I really like your designs!
You always come up with the most unusual concepts that that show some advanced mental perception.

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Re: Constant flux DC motor/generator.
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Re: Constant flux DC motor/generator.
« Reply #31 on: December 17, 2009, 12:21:21 PM »
I recently built an opposed fields modeled motor, with a shoddy connection, it spins, it pulses it self around and spins, but with a continuous current, it locks itself to the reference frame.

It was three north poles, faced inwards and a simple coil ( vertical ) with fields in opposition faced inwards.  The coil in inside the opposed fields.  It did function with an intermittent connection.  It's no better than that coiled wire motor ( simple electric motor model ).  SO there's nothing new happening here with this.

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Re: Constant flux DC motor/generator.
« Reply #32 on: December 17, 2009, 12:53:10 PM »
jadaro,

What does your experiment prove or disprove about broli's concept?  Your experiment doesn't confine the magnetic field when the same poles are all facing inwards.  The fact that it only functioned on an intermittent connection is evidence of it being a pulse motor based on a changing magnetic field and would produce AC if ran as a generator.

The ferro-material in Broli's device confines the magnetic field and is based on a constant uniform field, thus a "Constant flux DC motor/generator" for the topic of this thread.  It will work on a continuous DC connection.

Your experiment doesn't prove or disprove nothing about this concept.  I already posted 3 videos supporting this idea and broli has posted links to other similar experiments supporting it, but somehow your experiment triumphs over all of the other supporting videos and links when your setup has nothing in common with what this concept is based on.

GB
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Re: Constant flux DC motor/generator.
« Reply #32 on: December 17, 2009, 12:53:10 PM »
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Offline jadaro2600

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Re: Constant flux DC motor/generator.
« Reply #33 on: December 17, 2009, 01:23:28 PM »
jadaro,

What does your experiment prove or disprove about broli's concept?  Your experiment doesn't confine the magnetic field when the same poles are all facing inwards.  The fact that it only functioned on an intermittent connection is evidence of it being a pulse motor based on a changing magnetic field and producing AC.

The ferro-material in Broli's device confines the magnetic field and is based on a constant uniform field, thus a "Constant flux DC motor/generator" for the topic of this thread.  It will work on a continuous DC connection.

Your experiment doesn't prove or disprove nothing about this concept.  I already posted 3 videos supporting this idea and there has been links provided that supports the concept with other experiments also, but somehow your experiment triumphs over all of the other supporting videos and links when it has nothing in common with the Broli's device.

GB

..well then allow me to post my failures for you benefit. The attempt was genuine.

Your attacks are unwarranted!  My attempt was for the thread topic, the result was not.  It was noted.

It would be nice to have mention of failed ideas; it's a time saving mechanism.

Furthermore, I don't see how your video posts suggest anything about broli's design either. ..in that case you are just as off-topic as I am.  The videos linked..
doesn't prove or disprove nothing about this concept.

This thread was titled thus, and it seems reasonable to post information about constant flux continuous flux motor attempts here; if the thread is intended to be about this specific motor, under it's specific conditions then it should be titled something like "Broli's constant flux continuous current motor"..etc

You are disregarding the idea that other motors utilizing the same principles may exist, may be of different design, and may be worthy of mention.

I think what he's trying to do is escape the reference frame.  The best thing to do is WARP the reference frame in favor of the rotation.

I can see how is design may work, my designs thus far have been contingent upon these same concepts; however I lack to tools needed to confirm his specific design.

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Re: Constant flux DC motor/generator.
« Reply #34 on: December 17, 2009, 01:45:44 PM »
This is figure 2, as broli mentioned.

The reference frame wants to align.  Since one is stationary, the other is free to rotate, it does so until it aligns, this is principally why commutators are needed.

if both were free to rotate, the would both move a distance together like closing a book.

we need a warped field motor...which is find impossible anyway, seeing as how the fields will find some resting state somewhere.

edit, it may be prudent to actually post the picture heh?
« Last Edit: December 17, 2009, 02:32:02 PM by jadaro2600 »

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Re: Constant flux DC motor/generator.
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Re: Constant flux DC motor/generator.
« Reply #35 on: December 17, 2009, 01:58:38 PM »
Furthermore, I don't see how your video posts suggest anything about broli's design either. ..in that case you are just as off-topic as I am.  The videos linked..

This concept is based and designed around the working principals of those videos and links along with the HPG/HPM.  It is based on an uniform magnetic field and field confinement.  There is no reason in filling up this thread with all the failed attempts or experiments that is based on a changing magnetic field that has nothing in common with this topic.

Please don't take any offense.  I just don't see a connection here.  I respect your genuine attempt.  You're a diamond in the ruff on this forum because you're doing actual experiments and sharing.  I apologize for being too judgmental about your findings.

GB


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Re: Constant flux DC motor/generator.
« Reply #36 on: December 17, 2009, 02:32:38 PM »
This thread was mainly made for the designs I posted and their derivatives suggested by me or others. So far no experiments have been performed on these so no conclusions can be formed.

@jadaro: I think GB was just saying that your experiment wouldn't classify as a derivative as you allow the flux to change during operation. While this design is based on the concept that flux doesn't change during operation, thus a constant force is always acting on the parts.

I'm willing to make a bigger presentation explaining the whole theory from scratch if it's needed. Then it might be obvious where this concept came from and what the reasoning behind it is. Including rail guns, circular rails, and ferro materials. But it will take a while.

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Re: Constant flux DC motor/generator.
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Offline jadaro2600

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Re: Constant flux DC motor/generator.
« Reply #37 on: December 17, 2009, 02:40:25 PM »
@GB, I understand, I know the mentality ( there is so much which can be conveyed with a textual description ).

@Broli,

In you pictures, the rotor will presumably rotate when a current is run through the coils ( yellow )?

I've thought about a similar model; Am I to understand then that the yellow wire is abbreviated? as if to say there is to be a toroid-like wire winding in the stator?

If this is so, then I see nowhere for their to be force exerted and you may have a similar dilema that I do, either it won't rotate, even with a confined field ( one looping as you have it, the magnetic field is 'guided' )?  Is this a possibility?

I ask because of the first and second question; a general notion ( for my understanding can be drawn from there ).

@jadaro: I think GB was just saying that your experiment wouldn't classify as a derivative as you allow the flux to change during operation. While this design is based on the concept that flux doesn't change during operation, thus a constant force is always acting on the parts.

Yes, all is well, it was not my intention to present a pulse motor ( but it's failure as a constant flux is now evident ).  This is why I posted no pictures or gave any meaningful data behind it.

 

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