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Offline Phantasm

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Re: TPU operation
« Reply #15 on: December 18, 2009, 11:09:12 AM »
Hi everyone <3

So, I started reading this board about 2 years ago or so and became fascinated with the TPU. About a year ago I started posting and asked about how to build it and was told to read SM's guides... again... Frankly I found the advice cold but it really did allow me to learn a hell of a lot.

After I assimilated as much of the info I could with my limited knowledge, I started trying to collaborate with some ppl here since I had some very basic questions... but it seems that its hard for a newcomer to start building with you guys :\ I was finally invited to contribute my ideas with a team of people who were building but.. what you guys were building looked nothing like my ideas nor SM's TPU so I kinda took a couple steps back.. not sure what to conclude (i had no idea what you guys were doing and it didnt look like SM's device)

I know I just finished posting that I'm worried i'll get flamed and shot down if I present my ideas... but something didnt sit right with me and browsing some forums since then gave me the reason why:

So, in short, you have to wait a little bit until its finished. But maybe another member of this forum understands finally what is going on in a TPU and will post it.

Otto

I weighed my options and I think the best thing I can do is collaborate and just hope... HOPE that you guys can point me in the right direction instead of just telling me im headed for the cliff and I have no idea where I'm going. At least I'm up and walking =p

I have nothing but positive energy about this project, I want to collaborate, I want to design, I want to learn, I want to build. I'm not a patent thief, I'm not an agent of disinformation (knowingly=p) and I'm not a forum troll. So please, if you disagree with my idea and you have knowledge and experience that shows ive gone wrong, please let me know. The last thing I want to do is run around with old ideas that have been tested and arnt correct.

We can accelerate our research if we work together more - Collaboration is what we need. So here's what I've got:

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I was approached by email by someone with a good rationale as to why I shouldnt post full design ideas here..

It wasnt a cease and desist request from TPTB =p It was just some guy with a good point of view

So, in that regard, I'm happy to share my design with anyone interested... but please PM me and I'll send you what I've got

Sorry :\

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You guys told me to go and figure it out before... this is what I came up with, exclusively from the information in SM's notes... All Im asking at this point is a little critical feedback


« Last Edit: December 18, 2009, 11:10:57 PM by Phantasm »

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Re: TPU operation
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Re: TPU operation
« Reply #16 on: December 18, 2009, 01:12:48 PM »
Hi All,

Concerning the DC output I posted this a long time ago:
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=2250.msg101268#msg101268

For me it is still the most plausable explanation for a DC output with hash in a tpu.
Didnt SM say that you can produce voltage if you move a magnet over 1000's of wires at high speed. Brings the homopolar concept in I think.

   
Just my 2 cents...


Spider
« Last Edit: December 18, 2009, 02:20:07 PM by Spider »

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Re: TPU operation
« Reply #17 on: December 18, 2009, 01:59:12 PM »
   Tesla's magnifying transmitter produced waves within a conductor.  He tuned his oscillator to produce standing waves within the conductor.  The waves would radiate out get so far and then be reflected.  Nodes and antinodes can of course be set up within the standing wave field depending on the fundamental resonance of the conductor compared to the frequency imposed.  He also described imposing on this same wave field a second steering frequency that would cause the nodes and antinodes to move.  This second frequency would accelerate the nodes and antinodes to what he had the balls to report as superluminal progression. To confuse things even more I believe that the waves produced were a combination of mechanical vibrations or longitudinal waves and change of charge state of the "moving" speaker.

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Re: TPU operation
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Re: TPU operation
« Reply #18 on: December 19, 2009, 03:42:08 AM »
Hi All,
@spider   the aether vortex tpu thread     give it a read   you have that basically in the referenced above post. The faraday machine requires a fixed point of power extraction else it doesn't work. Im aware the  mag field is stationary so the conductor has to be moving relative to it.
  This SM tpu is the other way around. The vortex tpu reportedly worked by a vortex generated by a rapidly switching high voltage KVDC on circular plates but took a while to start if at all. no spin up? maybe a pulse speed ramping blocking osc would solve this???
  The rotation by previous post suggested method, maybe 2 longitudinal pulse gens, same Freq varying offset, would generate 'hose squeezing' as is depicted by compressive interaction rather than transversely mentioned method.  Tesla certainly knew the strange effects of differing pulse widths and freq, heating/cooling    non camera friendly lighting?    wow what other properties does this form of energy have to offer. Fact is that the charge presented on metallic objects is an effect that may hold a little secret. has the say NMR effect been investigated or have we not hit the required fact of operating with gain within this unit?
For fun,  have a look on google video for (47mins)
 
    Tesla transverse and longitudinal electric waves

The quality; well...                 the info; interesting...
Adaptation of the idea into the tpu...heat, power and it can't be that simple, can it? need a feedback control system or bang.  saturable reactors? seems to fit, but too simplistic or someone would have done it before, wouldn't they...
cheers for now

Steve.

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Re: TPU operation
« Reply #19 on: December 19, 2009, 05:29:56 PM »
@Phantasm

Thanks for your PM. It would be too long to answer every detail. But I will answer you here.

I just started reading this thread yesterday. Good discussion. Look everything you say is possible but has to be shown. Either in side small effect tests or other.

My opinion, Quad is pure Tesla. But that is not a bad thing because quad designs have worked and worked for over 100 years. The basic idea of switching from one quad to the other is also OK. The problem here is that in the TPU of SM, there is not enough electronics to provide such a control pattern, unless the circuit design was so simple and relied on only one seed pulse source.

SM I think is Duo, not quad. Actually Duo+Duo makes Quad but over two rings so it is Double Duo.
The FTPU shows no quad wind. Either single one wind or two half winds per level.
The OTPU although showing four coils is in my estimate 2 x 2 and the annular disk is aluminum with a slit in it since there is no other way he could have had a coupling effect. That top annular disk is just there for show and to help get a gyration with his magnets added.

About the Gyro effect, my sincere advice, forget about it at 75k. Anything above 800 hertz and you will never feel it so no gyro possible. If matter could gyrate, in the sense that you could actually feel the gyration with the device in your hands, at 75k, it would probably self destruct. There is a limit for non-moving devices to convey movement. That is not to say that an electric motor turning at 75k rpm will not make a gyration, but that is physical movement of matter that is well secured on solid ground versus non-physical movement in the case of a TPU in your hands. So building something to get a gyration in my view is not the right logic. Make the device for its functional merit, if it works and does not gyrate, who cares. lol

Now the danger of guys giving you advise is that we are always hesitant that should we open our mouths and potentially steer you away form an effort that could have been fruitful, then this is a bad thing. So the ultimate decision on how and what to build is yours and yours alone. I would say, try and visualize the device in operation before you build it. Vision the function and where there could be snags and see if you can mentally work them out. If you can't, then chances are the build is not right and doing it in your mind first helps save time and effort. If the vision function seems all right, then hit the work bench.

When I have some results that I am looking for, I post them on the forum. If it is easily replicable, don't worry, some will try it out but at least they will have a base to go by.

No one guy can come here and blurt out a theory of operation and expect to be right the first time around. There are just too many variables to put together and it is only with small side tests that one can start to get a feel for what this is and how it can work out given the information on hand. You just have to be willing to accept that changing your mind on function is a normal part of the complete process of discovery. There is no harm in being wrong and there is no dishonor in changing your mind just as there is no dishonor is sticking with your idea and trying it all the way.

My personal measuring board is simple. Get a theory, vision the operation and see how it physically fits a known SM TPU. If it fits, then you have to try it, but if it does not, then chances are you are wasting your time. But this is not an absolute truth and therein lies all the difficulties of knowing which is which.

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Offline Phantasm

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Re: TPU operation
« Reply #20 on: December 19, 2009, 08:31:41 PM »
I think when SM said "slight gyroscopic effect" That what he meant was that the device resists motion in the same way that a spinning bike tire does...

Is that different than vibration?

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Re: TPU operation
« Reply #21 on: December 19, 2009, 11:30:49 PM »
@ Phantasm
If you build on teflon PCB the stability of your tuned circuits will be massive compared to nearly all other types of board. Build your unit exactly as you originally intended.  No one can flame you if they dont have a functional unit. any attempt at this is pathetic.     
I saw a video a while ago re gyros where a guy spun up a 150lb unit then lifted it up easilly! no vibrations I suspect.
cheers Steve.

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Re: TPU operation
« Reply #22 on: December 20, 2009, 12:39:50 AM »
@Phantasm

Just take a coil, pulse it any way you want and hold a magnet next to it. Then see how high you can go on the frequency until you no longer feel anything. There is the limit, about 800 hertz, give or take a few.

That's how he got his gyro effect. That's the only way you can. You will never feel electrons creating a gyro effect on their own. Why, because to cause a gyro effect you need a surplus of energy on one side of your loop, but in flow electrons this s impossible on their own. The electron flow is the same everywhere on the loop. It's the pulse that does it.

So that gyro story is just a distraction. There is a vibration caused by the magnet against the toroid coil. And that vibration can be described as a gyro effect but it's all because he put a magnet near the toroid.

Trying to understand the gyro effect cost us months and months of lost and wasted time. So for SM, I guess just saying gyro really paid off in distracting many.

Now please understand this is my opinion and not written in stone. You have the final say and I am not trying to flame you or anything like that. Don't be afraid to do what you think is right. That is the most important thing.

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Re: TPU operation
« Reply #23 on: December 20, 2009, 05:10:00 AM »
Re gyro effect.
I have posted this before some time back

I know 2 people who have held the small units and pushed the big one on the table ..its a gyro like effect for sure ..it does resist movement.

It did vibrate at low frequency that can be felt and sings at 5-6khz

a small inductor like otto has done, does sing at 5-6 k wit 245k drive.

I have benn  unable to get the low frequency popping that he observed...yet.

wire lenghts must be critical .

Steven hates alluminium because "it creates leaks every where" ...a clue ? I dont know....yet

One guy was not technical and said that it was not unlike a running hard drive (which i let him hold)but not exactly the same as the resistance was in all directions like it wanted to stay where it was. like it had traction to the space around it but very slight.

When put on a hard surface it is more aparrent because it restricts movement in one direction.
Thats why the big coil is on a smooth surface

Difficult as it is, it is not a lie but is very "distracting" thats for sure

Creating this effect wether energy is produced or not is still important but may only be a by product of a successful working unit.

Coils jumping , Im told is a good start.

The videos of the first units were never designed to be posted in public, in fact the internet was not even very popular back then as it is now.

Care must be taken not to discount the videos regardless of how frustrating this can be.

The more people that follow their own  path towards this difficult goal the better.
I hope this will be easy for everybody one day.

Good hunting.



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Re: TPU operation
« Reply #24 on: December 20, 2009, 05:03:01 PM »
@Mannix

I could write an extremely pertinent rebuttal but in the interests of this overall endeavor, I will abstain from any further mention of gyro. Just let guys do what they want and let the chips fall where they may.

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Re: TPU operation
« Reply #25 on: December 21, 2009, 10:05:38 AM »
Hello all,

guys, please no PMs because I can only read them but cant answer. Something is wrong.
Please use my email if nessesary.

Otto

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Re: TPU operation
« Reply #26 on: December 22, 2009, 11:54:50 AM »
Hi All,
A good friend of an aquaintance of mine has held a working  unit and commented on the vibratory feel of it. I have no more info and the secrets of its operation were not disclosed to this person or investors alike. It appears to be a simple operating system as the lack of components and guarding of its secret are paramount to SM. What are we not doing correctly? maybe  a very simple re-discovery is all we need.       
Thanks Steve.       

 

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