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### Author Topic: TPU operation  (Read 11442 times)

#### Phantasm

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##### TPU operation
« on: December 13, 2009, 03:07:26 AM »
Hey guys

Took a break but I realized I cant let some ppl with bad attitudes get me down.

So

We know that the fundamental frequency is a function of the diameter of the toroid.

We also know that the fundamental frequency for a toroid of diameter 15" is 35.705 Khz

The circumference of said toroid is therefore 47.12388981"

Can someone explain why this is the correct fundamental frequency for this sized toroid? What is the relationship between frequency and circumference?

EDIT: This info is taken from SM's letters - please correct me if I've misread him...
« Last Edit: December 13, 2009, 03:35:37 AM by Phantasm »

#### MACEDONIA CD

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##### Re: TPU operation
« Reply #1 on: December 13, 2009, 10:58:28 AM »
hi
how know the lenght of wire and turns forsome toroid or ather type of .. to calculated exactly l frek for that
MAYBE IF FIRST PULSE FOR SOME FREK HAS TO TRAVEL OF BEAGEANIG TO END OF WIRE  THAT IS THE EXSCKTLY CALCULATION FREK. WHIT LENGHT AND TURNS FOR THAT
BUT IF YOU TAKE MULTYPLY FREK . WHAT WHILL BE

#### Phantasm

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##### Re: TPU operation
« Reply #2 on: December 14, 2009, 06:46:38 PM »
Heya Macedonia

Yea, I was thinking something along those lines.

Could it be simply that the frequency is proportional to the size of the toroid in so far as its needed to achieve the SRF of the coil?

#### MACEDONIA CD

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##### Re: TPU operation
« Reply #3 on: December 14, 2009, 07:30:17 PM »
@phants
i dont mean to find   sfr to get power
THAT WHILL PRODUCED HEAT YOU TRANSISTOR DRIVER
YOU KNOW THAT THE RF AMPLIFAER  AND ANETNA HOW IS CONECTED WHIT PROPERLY LENGHT OF THE ANTENA<OR  COIL.>
I HAVE MEAN TO GET EXSACKLY LENGH FOR COIL OR ANTENA  WHIT THAT FREK THEN IS GET MAX OUT FROM THAT AND MINIMUM LOSS ENERGY
BUT IF YOU HAVE IDEA HOW TO GET OE WAY MOVING FILD IN THAT ANTENA OR COIL SAY WHAT YOU MEA
IF YOU PULSE IN ONE DIRECTION I MEAN YOU WHIL HAVE SOME GOOD RESOLTS

#### szaxx

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##### Re: TPU operation
« Reply #4 on: December 16, 2009, 04:41:51 AM »
Hi Phantasm, macedonia and all,

The sizes of the units are related to freq and 3 known values are required for reasonable accuracy. Using the flux path size against the frequency or time period you will get the speed of the flux and this can be incorporated  into the design of your unit. The circumference and a few mathematical functions are required. the frequency of your unit can be calculated then the resonant drive coils can be constructed exactly as required. there are phase relations too for each coils driving circuit.
say what you can understand on building this unit and how far youve got with it, any experiments or testing on anything so far to see what help you require and lets get this thing in the bag.

3:33 AM and gotta get shut eye, up @ 7:00ish

see ya soon

#### Phantasm

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##### Re: TPU operation
« Reply #5 on: December 17, 2009, 04:17:39 AM »
I'm just sorting out a transistor issue and then I've got a full design to build a device that accounts for the following purported truths about SM's device

DC output
Working flux round the toroid
interaction of harmonic frequencies
Looks like SM's hand-held toroid (I dunno what you guys call this one)

My belief is that since SM's videos are on youtube - we're in the green zone with experimenting with these devices.

EDIT: Thats not to say I know my design works =p but we'll see I guess

#### Tito L. Oracion

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##### Re: TPU operation
« Reply #6 on: December 17, 2009, 10:04:41 AM »
high everyone good day!

here is what i know:
TPU operate in the received small kick frequency of the source, that small kick will be converted into a big kick, thats why sm said if we have thousands of small kicks then we have thousands of big kicks ok

#### MACEDONIA CD

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• Posts: 388
##### Re: TPU operation
« Reply #7 on: December 17, 2009, 04:03:56 PM »
@szaxx
yes you  are raid
for say this

#### t3t4

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• Posts: 86
##### Re: TPU operation
« Reply #8 on: December 17, 2009, 10:35:42 PM »
Has anyone had a working TPU aside from SM? As I understand it, the principle is simple. This device in it's most basic form is just an electron accelerator, so an object in motion tends to stay in motion. Use the field current output to sustain the required input and that's perpetual motion infinitely. That's what I understand about this device, but has anyone achieved a self sustaining prototype?

I'm just wondering.

#### Phantasm

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##### Re: TPU operation
« Reply #9 on: December 18, 2009, 12:37:37 AM »
Has anyone had a working TPU aside from SM? As I understand it, the principle is simple. This device in it's most basic form is just an electron accelerator, so an object in motion tends to stay in motion. Use the field current output to sustain the required input and that's perpetual motion infinitely. That's what I understand about this device, but has anyone achieved a self sustaining prototype?

I'm just wondering.

If they have, theyre being quiet

I think we need to also consider the interaction of the harmonic frequencies, but ya..

Also, I dont really look at this device as a perpetual motion machine. It has to be harnessing potential energy from somewhere though the source of that energy isnt entirely clear to me

#### Vortex1

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##### Re: TPU operation
« Reply #10 on: December 18, 2009, 12:47:57 AM »
Hi Phantasm

Quote
I'm just sorting out a transistor issue and then I've got a full design to build a device that accounts for the following purported truths about SM's device

DC output
Working flux round the toroid
interaction of harmonic frequencies
Looks like SM's hand-held toroid (I dunno what you guys call this one)

My main point of interest is how the DC output is achieved without rectification. If You have achieved even a pulsating DC or very noisy DC without the use of rectification, commutation as in a mechanical chopper, or selectively saturating a magnetic core, you are on the way to a new discovery......very interested.

SM's device had a lot of "hash" (his words)....high frequency fairly random noise riding on top of a DC level.

SM did not call it "pulsating DC" (what you would get if you rectified an AC waveform but did not filter it)

He also did not call it "ripple" (what you would get if you rectified and filtered an AC waveform but had a substantial load across the filter capacitor)

He was very specific in his use of the word "hash". Think about that!

Kind Regards....V

#### t3t4

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• Posts: 86
##### Re: TPU operation
« Reply #11 on: December 18, 2009, 01:18:25 AM »
Quote
I think we need to also consider the interaction of the harmonic frequencies, but ya..

Yes, I understand and agree, but as I see it, this system comes down to one electron spanking another and another and so on. Once a certain speed is achieved, the output of the secondary should be such that it would sustain the input of the primary. I see this this system as a basic transformer with 3 pulsed primaries. All coils have at least two resonant frequencies, so, if you can find the 3rd, then you should have 3 spanking events, easy as 1,2,3. But yeah, I know it's not that easy to find the magic numbers. But is my understanding incorrect?

I have played a little with this system, but I keep it simple in terms of trial as well as explanation. I'm just speaking about what I have seen with my trials and what I understand from reading 100 pages or so on this site. I got results, but nothing I can run my home on. But I get results from bifilliar coils just stuck in the air, so I'm not doing anything special. But I was just wondering if someone else out there was doing something special.

I think this system has a ton of potential, so I hope that none give up on it. And, I believe that it works, at least in theory it does. It's just an electron spanker until it becomes an accelerator. Pretty cool stuff if you ask me, but should be simple as well.

#### szaxx

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• Posts: 27
##### Re: TPU operation
« Reply #12 on: December 18, 2009, 02:49:19 AM »
Hi All,
Lets hope we have the first fully working one and now this is where I wake up.....
Not heard of a success yet, but yet is for now. The harmonics must play a role somewhere. As odd harmonics add up we get a square wave but at present the feed is a square wave (low duty cycle) so are we in the right starting direction?
The field 'required' has to rotate to provide power out and using phase shifting this can be achieved... nothing new here. The ether however has a viscosity and if this is similar to say water then spinning the living hell out of it from standstill may cause a cavitation effect. Now (HYPOTHETICALLY) if this effect is real and the edge of this created cavity is slowly catching up with the mag stirrer it will at some point collapse in on itself and this collapse will have some reaction... the water example shows the power this cavitation has. Ultrasonic cleaning for one . It may indeed be responsible for the Bang where we need a pacemaker, some more chips and a rewire..... After that initial catch up the generator does its work. The current facts seemingly suggest to apply the frequencies in a delayed order (spin up).
A rotating field can be generated very simply by 2 slightly out of tune oscillators feeding 2 radiators. In english get 2 magnetic loops spaced slightly apart. feed both from 2 separate MOPA's at unison with each other (frequency). Then tune one off frequency and the speed of the rotation will be the difference of Freq  shift. This effect is well known to ham guys as a steerable HF antenna (uses a phase shift only). For electric fields use a dipole or similar radiator. In the tpu the only things that are positioned for this effect are the torroids (unlikely) but the hidden windings may be. The reference to clean signals applies here too. The components half inch off the board doesn't. Utilising this system at high voltage I would probably use valves/tubes initially, as power mosfets dont like 0%THD linear mode operation that much.
The question is has this been tried yet?
A gentle spin up approach. The 2 freqs will automatically generate more harmonics whenever they hit nonlinear operation. Not sure on the control side if the oscillators were then put back into unison this requires a little more thought as the mag field would be directional but stationary. Somewhat elliptically offset mmmmmmm.....
Its an idea and I've not come across it here.
Im trying to reproduce DC from a bifilar coil (part of a test sequence from 1985 ish) but not remembering it all that well as it required precise phase positioning at null point...inherent time lag and ??, thinking on those torroids and DC outputs.....

see you soon.
Steve

#### Phantasm

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• Posts: 48
##### Re: TPU operation
« Reply #13 on: December 18, 2009, 08:52:40 AM »
Ive seen a lot of you guys' projects are able to demonstrate the principal effect of operation of this device and its very encouraging for me!

I'm really excited to build this... Just for the learning experience anyway... but hey, might get lucky - we'll see

My approach thus far has been as conservative as possible. No radical ideas... my design is as close to SM's clues and videos as possible.

Ive tried to take into account all his hints

I already mentioned a few of them that my design takes into account... Honestly, I really want to share the design with you. I'm just worried that if I share my design before actually building it that you guys will shoot it down and i'll lose motivation again :\

I also could do without getting flamed for 'muddying the water' with yet another TPU build idea.

Some more tidbits for you though:
My design should make a compass 'go crazy'
It runs on 2 9v batteries
It will 'spin up' when first turned on
Should have a slight gyroscopic effect
Weighs about a lb and a half
SM said he found a "More stable way" to generate his frequencies - I believe I know of a way. (Thanks to GK for spanking his coils!)

There is no way that when i wind the coils and connect the circuitry that its going to work without tuning it. I have a few ideas in mind that I want to tune for - Thanks (most recently) to MACEDONIACD.

I saw a video on youtube that I can no longer find.. .something about experimenting with resonance effects. I need a simple way to determine the ideal resonance frequency for some coils. As MACEDONIACD pointed out, I will need to find the right resonance frequency that draws the least current. This youtube vid im talking about.. the guy uses a neon light? (if i remember correctly) That will light up when the coil is at resonance? and a light bulb that lights up if its drawing too much current. This sounds like a good place to start for me when im ready to test & tune

Can I get some tips in that regard?

#### havuhung

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##### Re: TPU operation
« Reply #14 on: December 18, 2009, 10:22:46 AM »
Hi All and
To @Phantasm
Quote
I saw a video on youtube that I can no longer find.. .something about experimenting with resonance effects. I need a simple way to determine the ideal resonance frequency for some coils.
I'm see link : Youtube MIT Physics Demo -- Resonant RLC Circuit