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Author Topic: 7.8 Hertz Resonant Circuit  (Read 69513 times)

Offline TinselKoala

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Re: 7.8 Hertz Resonant Circuit
« Reply #60 on: January 20, 2014, 06:14:13 PM »
I sure can. Or rather, to vary the frequency at which it occurs.

What you are trying to test is whether the mechanical resonance occurs at 7.8 Hz due to the influence of the Schumann resonance, or only due to the drive of the FG and the mechanical parameters of the external magnets. If the latter, changing one of those parameters should change the mechanical resonant frequency. If the former, it's hard to see why making that same change would have any effect.

So set up exactly as before, and use some modelling clay to increase the moving mass of the two vertical magnets. Then use the FG to drive the coil as before. Do you still see the strong resonance at 7.8 Hz, or at some other frequency? If at some other frequency, is it higher or lower than before?

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Re: 7.8 Hertz Resonant Circuit
« Reply #60 on: January 20, 2014, 06:14:13 PM »

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Re: 7.8 Hertz Resonant Circuit
« Reply #61 on: January 20, 2014, 07:08:38 PM »
Well, I've just been re-reading Tesla's patents on wireless energy transmission... His understanding of geophysics was pretty awesome...

His transmitter was designed to operate at a harmonic of the earth's natural frequency, and it seems he found the resonances at about 6 and 12 Hz. That would make a lot more sense - because it can include the ionosphere...

I could detect no significant 8Hz signal with my antenna experiments. So it's hard to imagine how it might affect the spin of little magnets...

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Re: 7.8 Hertz Resonant Circuit
« Reply #62 on: January 20, 2014, 07:35:32 PM »
Talking about Tesla, secret patents, and HAARP... I think it's possible he invented the 'ionospheric heater' in order to make it oscillate...

It would mean that we were inside a capacitor - where the plates were moving back & forth with a fixed period...

If Tesla could have made the ionosphere oscillate with a given period, it would then be possible to build tuned capacitive 'energy sucking' antennas - anywhere on earth - to draw power directly from the ionosphere.

Now that really would be *free energy*

I assume that the ionosphere would have various natural modes of oscillation, and it would probably be quite easy to pick one, and set it off.

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Re: 7.8 Hertz Resonant Circuit
« Reply #62 on: January 20, 2014, 07:35:32 PM »
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Re: 7.8 Hertz Resonant Circuit
« Reply #63 on: January 20, 2014, 07:57:40 PM »
Tesla's system was designed to draw power from the ground not the atmosphere. 

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Re: 7.8 Hertz Resonant Circuit
« Reply #64 on: January 20, 2014, 08:52:25 PM »
Tesla's system was designed to draw power from the ground not the atmosphere.

It depends which system you're talking about.

His 'magnifying transmitter' used a ground to air circuit, and power could be taken off by 2 plates just in the ground.

The system I was referring to is different.

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Re: 7.8 Hertz Resonant Circuit
« Reply #64 on: January 20, 2014, 08:52:25 PM »
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Re: 7.8 Hertz Resonant Circuit
« Reply #65 on: January 21, 2014, 01:14:44 AM »
Talking about Tesla, secret patents, and HAARP... I think it's possible he invented the 'ionospheric heater' in order to make it oscillate...

It would mean that we were inside a capacitor - where the plates were moving back & forth with a fixed period...

If Tesla could have made the ionosphere oscillate with a given period, it would then be possible to build tuned capacitive 'energy sucking' antennas - anywhere on earth - to draw power directly from the ionosphere.

Now that really would be *free energy*

I assume that the ionosphere would have various natural modes of oscillation, and it would probably be quite easy to pick one, and set it off.
no more in internet here some "evolution of Tesla science" :(

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Re: 7.8 Hertz Resonant Circuit
« Reply #66 on: November 29, 2015, 03:14:19 PM »
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Re: 7.8 Hertz Resonant Circuit
« Reply #67 on: November 22, 2017, 05:14:23 PM »
It depends which system you're talking about.

His 'magnifying transmitter' used a ground to air circuit, and power could be taken off by 2 plates just in the ground.

The system I was referring to is different.

Hello Tim123, I ve read this whole thread and I ve seen you ve quote some bible verses, and I have a huge thing to ask if you have some free time and you may be willing to help me and who knows, maybe you too by applying the same math you use to calculate for the planet earth and apply it on the Earth described in Bible in the Genesis and maybe you let me know  what data you came up with , what would be its size and what else can you calculate out of the data you find in the bible ? I m asking you as I have mostly no experience in electronics, and truly hope you will find it interesting enough to try to find out the outcome.

Tesla has a very interesting quote that also supports the model in the bible so who knows where these leads:
"Earth is a realm, it is not a planet. It is not an object, therefore, it has no edge. Earth would be more easily defined as a system environment. Earth is also a machine. It is a tesla coil. The sun and moon are powered wirelessly with the electromagnetic field (the Aether). This field also suspends the celestial spheres with electromagnetic levitation. Electromagnetic levitation disproves gravity because the only force you need to counter is the electromagnetic force,"

Hope I m not losing anyone's time here , it might be just harder to swallow for some readers.

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Re: 7.8 Hertz Resonant Circuit
« Reply #68 on: February 18, 2019, 03:12:35 AM »
F.Y.I.

NOTE: This was originally posted in the Westey thread however it has since been censored (removed). Two very good papers regarding Schumann Resonance are included below so it is reposted here for those that might be interested in some valid proven scientific information.
 
[Pre-] Review of the "Schumann-Kapanadze" postulation

Literature suggests (first paper - see below) that at low frequencies the earth/ionosphere cavity does support the formation of a set of maxima power sprectra in the vertical electric and horizontal magnetic fields.

To investigate this further we will first conduct an initial CAE Comsol analysis; as outlined in the second referenced paper (see below), before attempting further review and analysis of the postulation under discussion. It appears the Schumann models using Comsol Multiphysics have already been developed and tested.

1. Extremely Low Frequency(ELF) Radio Wave Propagation: A review (IJEAR) 

https://www.spirit-science.fr/ArchivesScientifiques/2016Nikolayenko.pdf   

Abstract
The Extremely Low Frequencies  (ELF)  extend  from  3  Hz  to  3  kHz.  This  formal  limit corresponds  to  real  physical  phenomena  in  subionospheric  radio  propagation:  the Schumann Resonance  (SR) observed  in  the  band  between  4Hzand  40  Hz  and  the  transverse  resonance having the basic frequency about 1.7 kHz. When speaking about ELF radio waves, we usually have  in mind  the  subionospheric  propagation  when  electromagnetic  wave  travels  in  the spherical dielectric stratum formed by the Earth‟s surface and the lower edge of the ionospheric plasma. The dielectric shell has a small thickness of about 60–100 km in comparison with the Earth‟s radius of ~6366 km. This non-conducting layer forms a spherical cavity resonator, with two  sets  of  eigen-values.  One  of  them  corresponds  to  the  global  electromagnetic  resonance predicted   by Schumann[1952], which is   often   regarded   as   SR.   Its   peak   frequencies (frequencies of maxima  in the power spectra of natural ELF radio noise) are approximately 8, 14,  20,  Hz,  etc.  At  such  low  frequencies,  only  transverse  electromagnetic  (TEM)  wave propagates  in  the  cavity  having  the  non-zero  vertical  electric Erand  horizontal  magnetic Hjfield components. If we account for the finite ground conductivity, a small longitudinal electric field Eqappears. It is clear that we use the spherical polar coordinate system (r, q, j) with the origin at the Earth's center  and  the  polar q=  0  axis  directed  to  the  vertical  electric  dipole source.

Owing to small losses and a great wavelength, the resonance  signals can multiply & circle the  globe,  so  that  direct  and  antipodal  waves  interfere  forming  a  set  of  maxima  in  the  power spectrum  of  vertical  electric  or  horizontal  magnetic  fields  positioned  at  the  above-mentioned frequencies.  Lightning  strokes  of  the  global  thunderstorms  occurring  at  the  rate  of  50–100 discharges per second serve as the source of natural ELFradio noise. SR might be regarded as “longitudinal” one: it occurs in the waves propagating along the Earth‟s surface.

The second type of resonance corresponds to vertically propagating radio waves, therefore,it is  called  the  transverse  resonance.Relevant  waves  are  capturedbetween the ground  and ionosphere, so that their basic frequency depends  on the  ionosphere  height and is  equal to 1.7 kHz when the thickness of the ground–ionosphere gap is 88 km. Transverse resonance is a local phenomenon, because it   is   not   linked   with   the   round-the-world   propagation.   In   radio engineering, the eigen-values of transverse resonance are regardedas cutoff frequencies of the modes propagating in the Earth–ionosphere duct. The basic frequency is the cut-off frequency of  the  first-order  mode,  the  second-order  mode  has  the  cutoff  equal  to  the  doubled  basic frequency   of   transverse   resonance,   etc.   Obviously,   only   the   basic   transverse   resonance frequency definitely  belongs  to  the  ELF  band, while  the higher-order  modes  arefound  within the very low frequency (VLF) band.

2. Theoretical and experimental studies of electromagneticresonances in the ionospheric cavities of planets andsatellites; instrument and mission perspectives    -  Thesis by Fernando Dos Santos Simoes

https://tel.archives-ouvertes.fr/tel-00811520/document

Abstract (in part)
The  study  of  extremely  low  frequency  electromagnetic  wave  propagation  in  the  ionospheric  cavities of celestial bodies in the Solar System follows an approach similar to that developed for  Earth.  It  contributes  to  the  characterization  of  the  atmospheric  electric  circuit  and  associated energy sources, and to the identification of the inner and outer cavity boundaries. A wave  propagation  finite  element  model  is  developed  and  applied  to  all  planets  and  satellites  surrounded  by  an  atmosphere,  with  the  aim  of  studying,  in  particular,  the  Schumann  resonance  phenomenon.  The  input  parameters  of  the  model  are:  (a)  the  geometry  of  the  cavity, (b) the ionized atmosphere characteristics, (c) the neutral atmosphere refractivity and (d) the top subsurface complex permittivity. The simulation yields the eigenfrequency and Q-factors of the resonance and the distribution of the electric field in the cavity.

Of particular interest is where this author uses COMSOL CAE : "The  numerical  model  to  study  wave  propagation  is  based  on  several tools available in the COMSOL Multiphysics software, which uses the finite element method to solve specific equations."
This will allow for a quick comparison of supported Schumann resonance frequencies with those known, from EM CAE analysis and subsequent VNA tests of the so called grenade coil, to have been used in the Kapanadze generation device.

Although this post will likely be censored (removed as many others have been), I will post it anyway - just to maintain the committment that "We're at least 'trying' to do 'our' part!" by investigating, to the best of our ability, theoretically wise, various claims of excess energy.
 [EDIT: This post was censored (removed) from westeys thread as predicted.] Also; unfortunately it is now confirmed that this forum has become unusable, especially to those that are interested in valid science and engineering development. Too bad!

The attached papers are long and very technical in nature but contain some excellent information regarding Schumann Resonance.

FIN


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Re: 7.8 Hertz Resonant Circuit
« Reply #68 on: February 18, 2019, 03:12:35 AM »
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Re: 7.8 Hertz Resonant Circuit
« Reply #69 on: February 18, 2019, 07:39:55 PM »
Schumann waves are so low-power that they require high-sensitive receivers to be detected. They are many orders of magnitude weaker than any normal electro-smog.

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Re: 7.8 Hertz Resonant Circuit
« Reply #70 on: February 19, 2019, 12:49:59 PM »
Schumann waves are so low-power that they require high-sensitive receivers to be detected. They are many orders of magnitude weaker than any normal electro-smog.

I agree with you, skywatcher. I answered the same to SolarLab but my post has also been suppressed by Wesley (among many others).

Here is it again:
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Exceptional paper, great study, SolarLab, thanks!

This is really the most comprehensive study I have seen on the subject, with many experimental results.

We see that attenuations at Schumann frequencies are considerable, e. g. more than 140 to 150 dB over distances of the order of 16,000 to 18,000 Km, although the attenuation per Mm is low (about 1 dB): indeed they are essentially standing waves, not progressive, so the attenuation is global when we establish them.

There are some causes of attenuation that I hadn't thought of, such as the resistivity of the air, which increases it even more, or the 11-year cycle of solar activity.

A simple way to find out is to test the mains frequencies of 50 and 60 Hz. In Europe, where the frequency is 50 Hz, the 60 Hz signal from America, generated by thousands of amperes travelling in thousands of kilometers of high-voltage lines powered by hundreds of KV, is barely above the background noise!
The idea that standing waves of an amplitude compatible with energy transmission can exist around the earth as in a copper waveguide with high Q factor, is simply ridiculous, and supported by no facts.
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Re: 7.8 Hertz Resonant Circuit
« Reply #70 on: February 19, 2019, 12:49:59 PM »
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Re: 7.8 Hertz Resonant Circuit
« Reply #71 on: February 20, 2019, 12:42:44 AM »
Hi F6FLT,

Just a quick note; based on the cited papers and lack of any other presented technical 
information with respect to tying SR with Kapanadze, we have suspended further analysis,
or any other study, of westey's "claims."

However; we have developed a very interesting "Ruslan Generator" "Test-Set" by partitioning
this system into three seperate modules [HV gen; System Primary coil; and System
Secondary (output) coil].

Integrating these modules with T&M instruments [FG/Arb, Scope, VNA], Control software
and CAE [full EM and schematic simu] makes for a pretty substantial test, analysis and
optimization capability. And, it's not that expensive to cobble together considering it's
overall sophistication with broad parameter characterization. So far - some amazing stuff!

We are planning on publishing the approach as a "Test-Set" feature in the very near future (when
it has been properly documented, and with a few examples included).

Will publish on a better forum (properly moderated and more friendly towards developers).
This post will most probably "misteriously disappear" as well. Oh well, so be it; it contains nothing.

SL






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Re: 7.8 Hertz Resonant Circuit
« Reply #72 on: February 20, 2019, 02:01:43 PM »
solar lab quote Wesley,Your unlawful redirection of a copywright web page has been reported to the originator. 
https://www.spirit-science.fr/ArchivesScientifiques/2016Nikolayenko.pdfThe

Hope they find it as cute as I did!  (http://overunity.com/Smileys/default/smiley.gif) Thanks again...

https://overunity.com/17735/wesleys-kapanadze-and-other-fe-discussion-forum/msg531693/#msg531693

SL
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 Sir,  you write like a smart fellow ,Now seems even a Barrister ... but then you seem to have great voids in your logic and knowledge
 truly more what a child would write ,a complete lack of comprehension of censorship .
and a persons Blog ....[which you obviously know but choose to throw stones at Stefan
implying fantasies of removal here in this thread .SL Quote This post will most probably "misteriously disappear" as well.
Persons who violate TOS ,just like people who would break into your home ....there are rules.
Here in public Domain [not Wesley world} Stefan will never and has never touched a post which falls under compliance with TOS.
Get over it ,and please feel free to not censor your open source forum choice  ?
But playing in Wesley's Blog / house and expecting to rearrange his furniture or ?...  that is childish entitlement .
Start your own Blog/thread or post as you did here.... in one of the the other 7 million threads and topics at this forum.
yeesh
one thing is certain ,your post above will stand for and represent [whether real or imagined on your part]the consequences of Law ...and your seeming double standard when rules apply to yourself .
but at the very least an eye opener for persons who think no need of TOS or cry censorship when they violate.
thank you for the lesson ,it will serve Stefan well here [example],that trigger happy lawyers and persons like yourself are just one of many reasons Stefan has rules and why Knuckleheads who break the TOS in his house get removed.
just like they would in your house or mine.......... 
  but I must admit not so much your example above ...but other things being written in Wesley Blog about one member here ?? might be  concerning as far as TOS

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Re: 7.8 Hertz Resonant Circuit
« Reply #73 on: February 20, 2019, 06:48:23 PM »
solar lab quote Wesley,Your unlawful redirection of a copywright web page has been reported to the originator. 
https://www.spirit-science.fr/ArchivesScientifiques/2016Nikolayenko.pdfThe

Hope they find it as cute as I did!  (http://overunity.com/Smileys/default/smiley.gif) Thanks again...

https://overunity.com/17735/wesleys-kapanadze-and-other-fe-discussion-forum/msg531693/#msg531693

SL
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 Sir,  you write like a smart fellow ,Now seems even a Barrister ... but then you seem to have great voids in your logic and knowledge
 truly more what a child would write ,a complete lack of comprehension of censorship .
and a persons Blog ....[which you obviously know but choose to throw stones at Stefan
implying fantasies of removal here in this thread .SL Quote This post will most probably "misteriously disappear" as well.
Persons who violate TOS ,just like people who would break into your home ....there are rules.
Here in public Domain [not Wesley world} Stefan will never and has never touched a post which falls under compliance with TOS.
Get over it ,and please feel free to not censor your open source forum choice  ?
But playing in Wesley's Blog / house and expecting to rearrange his furniture or ?...  that is childish entitlement .
Start your own Blog/thread or post as you did here.... in one of the the other 7 million threads and topics at this forum.
yeesh
one thing is certain ,your post above will stand for and represent [whether real or imagined on your part]the consequences of Law ...and your seeming double standard when rules apply to yourself .
but at the very least an eye opener for persons who think no need of TOS or cry censorship when they violate.
thank you for the lesson ,it will serve Stefan well here [example],that trigger happy lawyers and persons like yourself are just one of many reasons Stefan has rules and why Knuckleheads who break the TOS in his house get removed.
just like they would in your house or mine.......... 
  but I must admit not so much your example above ...but other things being written in Wesley Blog about one member here ?? might be  concerning as far as TOS



Well, it is what it appears to be. TOS or not!

The link was altered, this alteration was brought to the threads attention,
and the altered link was not fixed, but then completely removed.

So, the lesson is:
Information (directly relating to, and valuable to, a subject) is, in the end,
suppressed for no apparent reason; and then the presenter of this valuable
information is now in violation of the forum's TOS -
- for; first, presenting the information and;
- second, for reporting the link's address alteration.

Also, no specific reference to this TOS violation is given, no offending post(s)
are cited or any otherwise explaination of these "violations" of TOS.

Well, it IS what it appears to BE!
You fellas make up these rules and adjudicate them
- we humble participants have, and are, just attempting
 to contribute valuable information.
We  get it!



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Re: 7.8 Hertz Resonant Circuit
« Reply #74 on: February 20, 2019, 07:44:50 PM »
well .. you absolutely don't Get it...you want special privileges to unmoderate the blog spots ??
 
 Wesley has written his TOS in his blog , which are autonomous of Forum TOS but must respect them.
in other words you can post anything your heart desires on the other 7 million topics here and even start you very own topic [suggested many times] obey TOS and your posts will remain untouched for millennia... for all to see.....to insinuate otherwise makes you disingenuous at best .

But thats not what you want is it ??
you want special treatment in Wesley's house/Blog ,to write anything you please ...or you will hold your breathe and stomp your feet and  attempt to defame the entire  forum.and write insinuating Lies .There have never been words removed from this forum unless they were against Laws of the land ..or in your case ,as an uninvited guest in someones autonomous blog spot.
  There are others here with the same moderator Blog privilege...Bruce TPU... itseung88 [and some others ??]
maybe go and write over there and stomp your feet and hold your breathe ..when they catch you in the house and throw you out
??
instead of trying to generate legal issues for this forum thru sneaky tactics.

 which to be honest I don't understand ....except to say that ultimately Stefan could be held responsible as the owner...But you know that too....and have written your disdain for his forum...if you can;t have your way then it should all go away....and that does make you more of a threat than the average Child who plays such games .


   Here I must add a comment ,my personal experience with Member F6FLT ,i know his work for many years .
[almost ten ?] and have always heard he is too hard on beginners at the forums ,[no comment whatsoever here about Wesley]and he did leave some forums years ago due to persons like itseung 88 and his many undocumented claims .
his way of raising the bar here to bring back the many skilled and trained members who also left this forum for the very same reason is evident in his postings..... asking for experiments that can be performed to prove claims .the OPEN SOURCE talent pool here is a monster waiting for a piece of meat.
and F6FLT is passionate about  trying to set the table [finding true anomalies ....
I however also have much respect for Wesley's work [and obvious life experience ] and would prefer he be able to explorehis path ...to a conclusion .
and help others to understand .
but at the end of the day...experiments are what is needed .




 

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