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Author Topic: Gravity wheel of Mikhail Dmitriyev  (Read 173727 times)

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Re: Gravity wheel of Mikhail Dmitriyev
« Reply #165 on: February 03, 2011, 11:48:36 PM »
OK, substitute 'soft sciences' by 'court of law'. Same thing. I just wanted to stated it more generally.

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Re: Gravity wheel of Mikhail Dmitriyev
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Re: Gravity wheel of Mikhail Dmitriyev
« Reply #166 on: February 03, 2011, 11:53:44 PM »
When Sister Mary alice gets back, your both gonna get the ruler across the knuckle treatment!,and maybe the old Adhomiwhip across the buttocks!
She's gonna have some sledgeucatin for the two of you!

@ramst,

You scared me out of my wits. What shall I do now?

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Re: Gravity wheel of Mikhail Dmitriyev
« Reply #167 on: February 03, 2011, 11:59:29 PM »
OK, substitute 'soft sciences' by 'court of law'. Same thing. I just wanted to stated it more generally.
omni, i understand what a 'soft science' is. the logic used by the soft science and the hard science are the same... ie: they both use inductive and deductive reasoning.  your ridiculous stance is that they do not. this is evidenced by the record over and over and over. now, if you continue to support your stance that the "soft sciences" do not use inductive or deductive reasoning in logic then please show and define what type of logic is being used... ::)

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Re: Gravity wheel of Mikhail Dmitriyev
« Reply #168 on: February 04, 2011, 12:19:05 AM »
No the logic used isn't the same. Inductive reasoning, uniqueness of truth regarding one phenomenon is strongly discouraged in soft sciences. On the contrary, hard sciences rely on inductive reasoning -- one good experiment is enough to conclude about the outcome of the same experiment under the same conditions any where in the world, any time. Uniqueness of truth is a given. Truth is a dictator. And so on and so forth. There are huge differences between the application of logic in the sofe as opposed to hard sciences let alone that for hard sciences there are no topics taboo. Soft sciences are wrought with taboos. Differences are huge, form an intellectual perspective. That's onviously news to you but, hey, that the use for these discussion, to learn something new sometimes.

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« Reply #169 on: February 04, 2011, 12:23:44 AM »
No the logic used isn't the same. Inductive reasoning, uniqueness of truth regarding one phenomenon is strongly discouraged in soft sciences. On the contrary, hard sciences rely on inductive reasoning -- one good experiment is enough to conclude about the outcome of the same experiment under the same conditions any where in the world, any time. Uniqueness of truth is a given. Truth is a dictator. And so on and so forth. There are huge differences between the application of logic in the sofe as opposed to hard sciences let alone that for hard sciences there are no topics taboo. Soft sciences are wrought with taboos. Differences are huge, form an intellectual perspective. That's onviously news to you but, hey, that the use for these discussion, to learn something new sometimes.
tu stultus es... q.e.d.

logic is the study of the principles of valid inference and correct reasoning. the methods of valid inference and correct reasoning are inductive reasoning and deductive reasoning... the soft sciences use both (regardless of which one is discouraged) and the hard sciences use both (regardless of which one is discouraged)... therefore the logic is the same. there is no "different" logic.

the only thing i have learned from you omni, is that you have nothing to teach me at all...

as an aside, if there are no taboos in hard science why is you have such trouble convincing people of the CoE violation you constantly pimp? ::) and i think you may have meant to say the soft sciences are fraught with taboos... to say they are wrought with them sounds a little stultus...

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« Reply #170 on: February 04, 2011, 12:37:22 AM »
Well, I can only explain it to you, I cannot understand it for you. You have to exert some efforts of your own, if you can, to understand where these differences lie and why should also he logic differ as a result of these different approaches. It's not enough to say inductive and deductive and be done with it. There are differences in application, as I explained, in many different ways, let alone that one of these is discouraged (I repeat it for the umptieth time). It's just naive to even allow the thought that there may not be differences in logic when the whole perspective of these sciences regarding truth differs so much. This is something, however, for you to sort out and hopefully you are equipped to do that, in which I'm not that certain.

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« Reply #171 on: February 04, 2011, 12:44:25 AM »
Well, I can only explain it to you, I cannot understand it for you. You have to exert some efforts of your own, if you can, to understand where these differences lie and why should also he logic differ as a result of these different approaches. It's not enough to say inductive and deductive and be done with it. There are differences in application, as I explained, in many different ways, let alone that one of these is discouraged (I repeat it for the umptieth time). It's just naive to even allow the thought that there may not be differences in logic when the whole perspective of these sciences regarding truth differs so much. This is something, however, for you to sort out and hopefully you are equipped to do that, in which I'm not that certain.
this is utter bullshit omni and i'm calling you on it. differences in application, as you explained ::) was never the subject of contention. this is just another strawman fallacy of yours... you said "different rules than the rules during scientific discourse." which is utter nonsense... there is only one system of logic... not separate varieties for the soft sciences, and the hard sciences, and the squishy sciences, and the lukewarm sciences... ad infinitum, ad nauseam.

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« Reply #172 on: February 04, 2011, 12:48:40 AM »
Because hard sciences nowadays, being strongly influenced societally, do not function as they should, paying, as I said, only lip service to the scientific method. Contemporary hard sciences can be characterized by one word -- dishonesty. So they have been turned into travesty of science. I'm, of course, not talking about such twisted science but what its very essence is. All I've said concerns the essence of true hard and soft sciences. The differences I referred to are essential, not a result of deviant, unfortunate circumstances and flawed politics. I thought I made it clear earlier.

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« Reply #173 on: February 04, 2011, 12:50:07 AM »
Not true. The system of logic actually differs in these areas. What's even more shocking is that the scientific logic (hard science logic) is being violated at every step of the way even in the institutions devoted to be its greatest protectors. Science (real science, hard science, that is) is in shambles and only naive or semi-educated people such as you appear to be from this conversation, don't see it.

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« Reply #174 on: February 04, 2011, 12:55:18 AM »
Because hard sciences nowadays, being strongly influenced societally, do not function as they should, paying, as I said, only lip service to the scientific method. Contemporary hard sciences can be characterized by one word -- dishonesty. So they have been turned into travesty of science. I'm, of course, not talking about such twisted science but what its very essence is. All I've said concerns the essence of true hard and soft sciences. The differences I referred to are essential, not a result of deviant, unfortunate circumstances and flawed politics. I thought I made it clear earlier.
no didn't make that clear earlier, you used it as a red herring fallacy to divert the argument because you couldn't provide a cogent response. just like you are doing now. your opinion on the honesty or lack thereof of contemporary hard science is irrelevant! the logic under debate here is the logic used in reasoning and the same that is used to point out fallacies. that is what started it all remember? i do, it was your erroneous statement declaring what ad hominem was...  ::)

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« Reply #175 on: February 04, 2011, 12:56:16 AM »
No wonder why I'm so mad at international crooks such as Popper, Feynman and the like who have damaged already several generations of scientists and have brought science, especially physics, not only to a standstill but into a dead-end street. The whole situation, especially in physics is utterly outrageous, ignoring OU notwithstanding. Even the most basic stuff is noting but plain, easily provable nonsense.

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« Reply #176 on: February 04, 2011, 12:57:20 AM »
Not true. The system of logic actually differs in these areas. What's even more shocking is that the scientific logic (hard science logic) is being violated at every step of the way even in the institutions devoted to be its greatest protectors. Science (real science, hard science, that is) is in shambles and only naive or semi-educated people such as you appear to be from this conversation, don't see it.
you are incorrect. the logic doesn't differ at all.
logic is the study of the principles of valid inference and correct reasoning. the methods of valid inference and correct reasoning are inductive reasoning and deductive reasoning... the soft sciences use both (regardless of which one is discouraged) and the hard sciences use both (regardless of which one is discouraged)... therefore the logic is the same. there is no "different" logic. if you contend it is then simply show a valid inference method that doesn't use inductive reasoning or deductive reasoning. ::)

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« Reply #177 on: February 04, 2011, 12:59:17 AM »
no didn't make that clear earlier, you used it as a red herring fallacy to divert the argument because you couldn't provide a cogent response. just like you are doing now. your opinion on the honesty or lack thereof of contemporary hard science is irrelevant! the logic under debate here is the logic used in reasoning and the same that is used to point out fallacies. that is what started it all remember? i do, it was your erroneous statement declaring what ad hominem was...  ::)

Of course. I already pointed out the intrinsic differences let alone the travesty of science we're experiencing nowadays.

My opinion about what science is nowadays isn't something hanging in the air, but has roots. I've given you a clue where this opinion stems from.

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« Reply #178 on: February 04, 2011, 01:03:41 AM »
Of course. I already pointed the intrinsic differences let alone the travesty of science we're experiencing nowadays.
no you didn't point out any intrinsic differences... please define the method used that is not inductive or deductive reasoning. please give an example of a strong case and a weak case of this 'omni' ::) method. including the various (if any) types of this 'omni' method would be helpful as well.

your opinion is irrelevant...   ::) but yes, you have given me a clue as to where it stems from. it stems from your obvious mental deficiency and/or your lack of education.

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Re: Gravity wheel of Mikhail Dmitriyev
« Reply #179 on: February 04, 2011, 01:19:31 AM »
no you didn't point out any intrinsic differences... please define the method used that is not inductive or deductive reasoning. please give an example of a strong case and a weak case of this 'omni' ::) method. including the various (if any) types of this 'omni' method would be helpful as well.

your opinion is irrelevant...   ::) but yes, you have given me a clue as to where it stems from. it stems from your obvious mental deficiency and/or your lack of education.

Don't project onto others what applies to you. Your education is deficient and you are the one lacking mental capacity.

As for concrete examples, I leave them to you, as a homework. There are plenty of examples in the intrinsic sense, let alone the travesty aspect. As a matter of fact, the Hamilton's equations are one such concrete example but you're not equipped to understand my argument, as was seen. So, you're the one lacking knowledge and ability to understand what I'm saying but are blaming me for your deficiencies. What a stupid situation you've put yourself in.

 

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