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Author Topic: Gravity wheel of Mikhail Dmitriyev  (Read 176455 times)

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Re: Gravity wheel of Mikhail Dmitriyev
« Reply #120 on: February 03, 2011, 09:29:09 PM »
you are totally confused and your response is irrelevant. the logic used in debating in either is one and the same... if you can demonstrate that a different system of logic is being used, then have at it, otherwise just shut up. repeating your assertion over an over does not make it true.

again tu stultus es... q.e.d.

No, it isn't. All the evidence and all the logic may point to the culprit and the jury may decide not guilty. The jury's decision (the decision of the peers) constitutes the thruth not what the truth objectively is. Educate yourself first about these differences and then come here to argue anout logic.

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Re: Gravity wheel of Mikhail Dmitriyev
« Reply #120 on: February 03, 2011, 09:29:09 PM »

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Re: Gravity wheel of Mikhail Dmitriyev
« Reply #121 on: February 03, 2011, 09:32:27 PM »
Even the finding of clear evidence can be  dismissed in court if the finding wasn't done according to certain rules of reasonable grounds for the search.
of course it can be. but that does not dismiss the validity of the logic used... or make it of a different type. you should really let go of this strawman fallacy you are now using... ::)

again, tu stultus es... q.e.d.

you can have the last word omni. i won't be responding to your replies unless you post a cogent argument...

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Re: Gravity wheel of Mikhail Dmitriyev
« Reply #122 on: February 03, 2011, 09:34:15 PM »
i would imagine so. i doubt he came to a thread titled "Gravity wheel of Mikhail Dmitriyev" to hear your ridiculous notions on logical fallacies...  ::)

You have it all in reverse. You are the one trying to impose your ridiculous notions in logical falacies. You started that senseless discussion and I'm trying to educate you a little no matter how impenetrable your system of confused notions is.

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Re: Gravity wheel of Mikhail Dmitriyev
« Reply #122 on: February 03, 2011, 09:34:15 PM »
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Re: Gravity wheel of Mikhail Dmitriyev
« Reply #123 on: February 03, 2011, 09:43:39 PM »

of course it can be. but that does not dismiss the validity of the logic used... or make it of a different type. you should really let go of this strawman fallacy you are now using... ::)

again, tu stultus es... q.e.d.

you can have the last word omni. i won't be responding to your replies unless you post a cogent argument...

Not so. The logic in court proceedings here is specific and it is geared to the fact that the goal is not to find the objective truth but to convince a group of peers. That logic differs from the logic used in scientific debates where the goal is solely the objective truth with no societal interferences. I told you that already but you're not hearing it that's why I have to repeat it.

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Re: Gravity wheel of Mikhail Dmitriyev
« Reply #124 on: February 03, 2011, 09:47:29 PM »
No, it isn't. All the evidence and all the logic may point to the culprit and the jury may decide not guilty. The jury's decision (the decision of the peers) constitutes the thruth not what the truth objectively is. Educate yourself first about these differences and then come here to argue anout logic.
you are confusing 'rules of judgement' or 'rules of sentencing' with rules of logic. logic is logic. the fact that juries have sentencing guidelines is not a substantiation that a different logic is being used.

again tu stultus es... q.e.d

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Re: Gravity wheel of Mikhail Dmitriyev
« Reply #124 on: February 03, 2011, 09:47:29 PM »
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Re: Gravity wheel of Mikhail Dmitriyev
« Reply #125 on: February 03, 2011, 09:48:56 PM »
Not so. The logic in court proceedings here is specific and it is geared to the fact that the goal is not to find the objective truth but to convince a group of peers. That logic differs from the logic used in scientific debates where the goal is solely the objective truth with no societal interferences. I told you that already but you're not hearing it that's why I have to repeat it.
please enumerate the differences...

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Re: Gravity wheel of Mikhail Dmitriyev
« Reply #126 on: February 03, 2011, 09:53:35 PM »
you are confusing 'rules of judgement' or 'rules of sentencing' with rules of logic. logic is logic. the fact that juries have sentencing guidelines is not a substantiation that a different logic is being used.

again tu stultus es... q.e.d

No, that's wrong. The whole procedure is specific, not only parts of it. Otherwise it will not be self consistent. The very  way the evidence is presented to the jury, including the underlying logic is specific, differing from the presentation of scientific evidence in a scientific debate and the way conclusions are drawn from that evidence. These are completely different activities. Science is objective and, like I said, unlike jurisprudence has no societal elements in it (true science, of course).

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Re: Gravity wheel of Mikhail Dmitriyev
« Reply #127 on: February 03, 2011, 09:59:09 PM »
No, that's wrong. The whole procedure is specific, not only parts of it. Otherwise it will not be self consistent. The very  way the evidence is presented to the jury, including the underlying logic is specific, differing from the presentation of scientific evidence in a scientific debate and the way conclusions are drawn from that evidence. These are completely different activities. Science is objective and, like I said, unlike jurisprudence has no societal elements in it (true science, of course).
then simply enumerate the differences... or continue with your current strawman fallacy...  ::)

again, tu stultus es... q.e.d.

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Re: Gravity wheel of Mikhail Dmitriyev
« Reply #128 on: February 03, 2011, 10:00:09 PM »
Of course, under science here I understand hard sciences which recognize only one truth about a phenomenon. Soft sciences such as jurisprudence, politics, sociology, psychology etc. have a very diffuse understanding of truth and the logic for establishing it is different from the logic in hard sciences where truth is the dictator. In soft sciences the different social groups have their own truths about a single phenomenon and these truths are allowed to coexist otherwise the society will fall apart. In hard sciences, on the contrary, truth is unitary and it underlies a totalitarian system par excellence. There's no democracy in hard sciences.

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Re: Gravity wheel of Mikhail Dmitriyev
« Reply #128 on: February 03, 2011, 10:00:09 PM »
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Re: Gravity wheel of Mikhail Dmitriyev
« Reply #129 on: February 03, 2011, 10:01:58 PM »
The closest of the soft sciences to the hard sciences is the continental European law while the American jurisprudence differs quite a bit, as explained.

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Re: Gravity wheel of Mikhail Dmitriyev
« Reply #130 on: February 03, 2011, 10:04:04 PM »
Of course, under science here I understand hard sciences which recognize only one truth about a phenomenon. Soft sciences such as jurisprudence, politics, sociology, psycology etc. have a very diffuse understanding of truth and the logic for establishing it is different from the logic in hard sciences where truth is the dictator. In soft sciences the different social groups have their own truths about a single phenomenon and these truths are allowed to coexist otherwise the society will fall apart. In hard sciences, on the contrary, truth is unitary and it underlies a totalitarian system par excellence. There's no democracy in hard sciences.

THEN SIMPLY ENUMERATE THE DIFFERENCES!
show me how and where a different type (a type that does not use inductive or deductive reasoning) of logic  is used in a court case...  ::)

again, tu stultus es... q.e.d.

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Re: Gravity wheel of Mikhail Dmitriyev
« Reply #130 on: February 03, 2011, 10:04:04 PM »
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Re: Gravity wheel of Mikhail Dmitriyev
« Reply #131 on: February 03, 2011, 10:11:16 PM »
THEN SIMPLY ENUMERATE THE DIFFERENCES!
show me how and where a different type (a type that does not use inductive or deductive arguments) of logic  is used in a court case...  ::)

again, tu stultus es... q.e.d.

We have to get into specifics to do that but usually deductive reasoning is discouraged in court while it may be acceptable scientifically, roughly speaking. Don't forget you have political correctness and so on and so forth and some topics, topics which scientifically would be discussed freely without a problem, are never the subject of discussion in nowadays politically correct soft sciences, let alone in court.

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Re: Gravity wheel of Mikhail Dmitriyev
« Reply #132 on: February 03, 2011, 10:15:28 PM »
We have to get into specifics to do that but usually deductive reasoning is discouraged in court while it may be acceptable scientifically, roughly speaking. Don't forget you have political correctness and so on and so forth and some topics, topics which scientifically would be discussed freely without a problem, are never the subject of discussion in nowadays politically correct soft sciences, let alone in court.
then quit stalling and let's get into the specifics. show me how and where a different type (a type that does not use inductive or deductive arguments) of logic is used in a court case (that would be what a cogent response would contain)... or continue with your strawman arguments... why do i have to ask you 4+ times everytime a simple response has been requested of you?

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Re: Gravity wheel of Mikhail Dmitriyev
« Reply #133 on: February 03, 2011, 10:21:11 PM »
then quit stalling and let's get into the specifics. show me how and where a different type (a type that does not use inductive or deductive arguments) of logic is used in a court case... or continue with your strawman arguments... why do i have to ask you 4+ times to get a simple response out of you?

No, that's for you to figure out. I'm only giving you directions where to look.

EDIT: I meant inductive reasoning is discouraged in the soft sciences, that is reasoning which would project traits observed in individual entities onto a group. Generalizations of this sort are frowned upon in soft sciences. Not in hard sciences where it may be entirely legit.

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Re: Gravity wheel of Mikhail Dmitriyev
« Reply #134 on: February 03, 2011, 10:22:55 PM »
No, that's for you to figure out. I'm only giving you directions where to look.

EDIT: I meant inductive reasoning is discouraged in the soft sciences, that is reasoning which would project traits observed in individual entities onto a group. Generalizations of this sort are frowned upon in soft sciences. Not in hard sciences where it may be entirely legit.
i'll accept that as another tacit admission that you cannot provide a cogent reply...  ::)

still keeping score chet? that's another loss for omni in case you lost track...

 

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