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Author Topic: Mostly Permanent Magnet Motor with minimal Input Power  (Read 140051 times)

Offline Khwartz

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Re: Mostly Permanent Magnet Motor with minimal Input Power
« Reply #435 on: October 20, 2014, 06:30:35 PM »
Take a well wrapped bifilar solenoid coil connected serially with a welding rod core. Hang a steel carving knife by a string. Aim the center of the coil at the dangling knife and pulse it like you would a Leedskalnin device shorting the coil across a 12 volt battery. Watch what happens to the knife. Next, move the coil further away and try it again. This laser dimension magnet wave was broadcasted and received by Tesla at a distance of 40 miles from his downtown laboratory to West Point on line of sight. This was the first wireless transmission in History!. The broadcast and receiver coils were identical and both were grounded. The wave carried power that Tesla believed traveled through the ground! 

I re-discovered this effect by accident as I've recounted in the past: My first shop wound bifilar coil, 350 turns of 22 gauge, with welding rod core slid around ten feet to collide with a cutlery box that was drawn an equal distance along my kitchen counter, from one direct short pulse. The experience was traumatic! The magnetic force produced this way had nothing whatsoever to do with the customary D.C. Joule to coil flux ratios. Try it!
Hi synchro1. Thanks for your input :)
I am not English tongue and have hard time to well understand your experiment,  may you publish a schematic of with the according values of the different characteristics?

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Re: Mostly Permanent Magnet Motor with minimal Input Power
« Reply #436 on: October 20, 2014, 07:29:11 PM »
Hi synchro1. Thanks for your input :)
I am not English tongue and have hard time to well understand your experiment,  may you publish a schematic of with the according values of the different characteristics?
@Khwartz,
Check this lost and newly re-published "Telos" Quadra test:
 
http://www.electrogravity.com/TELOSTESTS/vectorpot1.htm
 

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Re: Mostly Permanent Magnet Motor with minimal Input Power
« Reply #437 on: October 20, 2014, 07:30:37 PM »
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Re: Mostly Permanent Magnet Motor with minimal Input Power
« Reply #438 on: October 20, 2014, 07:57:48 PM »
Ignoring the false precision for the moment, energy E in Joules on a capacitor  is
E = 1/2 (CV2)

So your starting energy in Joules is
E = 1/2(650 F x 2.07197 V x 2.07197 V) = 1395.244396292 Joules.
Ending energy in Joules is
E = 1/2(650 F x 2.07110 V x 2.07110 V) = 1394.07294325 Joules.

You got the right answer even though your stated formula is wrong. Therefore you did not use your stated formula, but actually used the correct one.

It is really difficult to check your work if your answers and your formulae do not agree.

Can you really measure voltage on a capacitor to the tens of microvolts precision? I am jealous.
hehe, you're right, TK, Luc didn't put the formulas right but he got the right results cause he simplified in his optmised mind its expression :)

For the calculation of efficiency, I would like to bring your attention all that here, we are indeed working against gravity and that the complete maths must include the mechanical energy of the dropping to get the right COP:

Lifting energy consumption: 1.17 joules.

Electrical flyback energy recovered: 0.34 joules.

Dropping mechanical energy which may be harvest: 0.53 joules.

-> COP : (0.34 + 0.53) / 1.17 = 0.74.

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Re: Mostly Permanent Magnet Motor with minimal Input Power
« Reply #439 on: October 20, 2014, 08:19:57 PM »
Mmm-ok,so this is working much like the maglev train dose.\
Quote: So now you're observing a visual of this effect and why this cannot go to OU.
If only there was a way to have separate power source lead's.

Wait just a minute there-lets not give up yet,as i believe there is a way to fix this problem. You have done before what is needed here Luc,and now you must do it again.It's time to put the effects of two of your projects together. You need to offset the voltage and current by 180* during the P/in cycle to your coil,so your going to need a pulsed input at the right frequency for your setup. As you know,when you switch of an inductor,the current will keep flowing in the same direction,BUT the voltage polarity will reverse-->If only there was a way to have separate power source lead's.
You dont need seperate lead's,as one set will do both job's,but you have to get the offset and frequency right for that coil.Normally with an air core inductor(coil) you would need a high frequency,but with that strong magnetic field i think the frequency needed would be quite low.

First to nut out a circuit to do the job,then find the right frequency to offset the current and voltage.To do this you need to fully understand as to what happens when an inductors P/in is suddenly cut off when running with a 180* current/voltage offset in the strong magnetic field it is in.This is something i dont remember anyone here ever looking into,or try doing. But i have actually done this myself,although the setup was a little different. I believe i called that particular project the magneformer-not quite sure,as it was some time ago. I remember showing TK my result's at being able to get a 180* offset of current over voltage,and if i remember rightly,he said i was creating a standing wave within the unit.This way i was able to maintain a continuous current flow within the inductor,but charge a cap with an opposite potential than that of my P/in-useing the same two wires. The circuit wasnt all to different to that of the SSG,which basically dose the exact same thing if you look at how the circuit work's-the negative of the charge battery is hooked to the positive of the run battery.

I guess the thing you will need to make this work is a signal generator-do you have one of these?.
Very Great imput: Cery Relevant imho, Brad! :D

It makes me think of the way guys like Jim Murray and Paul Babcock set their devices so that the source of power "doesn't see it":

http://www.emediapress.com/go.php?offer=Khwartz&pid=19

It is too what looks to happen in the Richard Vialle's Autogenerator when he speaks about "negative power" going back to the power source through a king of "virtual resistor" in the theoretical model of former transistor he used when the electronic laboratory got apparently the OU:

http://www.overunity.com/12639/richard-vialles-new-theory-about-negative-mass-and-overunity/nowap/#.VEVRs3OvTqA

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Re: Mostly Permanent Magnet Motor with minimal Input Power
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Re: Mostly Permanent Magnet Motor with minimal Input Power
« Reply #440 on: October 20, 2014, 09:22:01 PM »
Interesting excerpt from the previous Jim Murray and Paul Babcock's video, not on phase offsetting but about something looks to me very similar to what you've discovered, Luc, about adding magnets and core:

Time 00:20 to 00:22, slide "The Torque Measurement versus Flux Density Test":

~" The relation is always proportional, even when you exceed to the point you enter in saturation: the torque continues to go up as a direct function of the number of the lines*".

(*: I gess "lines of magnetic flux).

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Re: Mostly Permanent Magnet Motor with minimal Input Power
« Reply #441 on: October 21, 2014, 05:13:23 PM »
This "Telos Quadra" research paper was suppressed for nearly 15 years! Look at this paperblowoff test: The small paper dot cut from 20lb paper is ejected off of  the top of the coils when the coils are excited with a trigger  pulse.
 
Ask yourselves what effect, running D.C. current through the toroid coils, would have on the paper dot? Luc noticed a difference in magnetic attraction when he discharged a Joule package from a capacitor through a serially connected bifilar. What do the twin toroids have in common with the seial bifilar wrap? Might there be a connection?

The pulsed twin toroids fires a nail from the core at high velocity. The "A" vector is not part of the curved field but extends in a straight line from the neutral zone towards infinity. Aiming the pulsed magnet ray at a steel carving knife from the twin toroids would have the same effect on the knife as aiming a pulse from a ferrite core series bifilar solenoid. A dramatic effect!
 
« Last Edit: October 22, 2014, 08:04:05 PM by synchro1 »

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Re: Mostly Permanent Magnet Motor with minimal Input Power
« Reply #442 on: October 22, 2014, 08:10:40 PM »
Sorry Synchro1 but that is just another nonsensical fantasy posting.  I don't want to disrupt the thread, but that is the honest rebuttal to your posting.  You have made other fantasy postings in this thread that disrupt what is going on.  I will ignore them from now on.

This kind of routine insult from Milehigh is extremely egregious when I'm making a legitimate point backed up by solid reference data like the kind presented in the "Telos Quadra" test! Maybe someone should scold him for a change!

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Re: Mostly Permanent Magnet Motor with minimal Input Power
« Reply #443 on: January 05, 2015, 01:21:27 AM »
Hi Luc,

This post is about your video:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PTykNjDD0CM

It is just to reference you, for your info,  this other video about this scheme , published in hyiq.org about Bucking Coils:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z-V1z2TdQJA

I suppose that if in your video you would have used an intermediate tap between the CW coil and the CCW coil to extract the induced voltage you would have got current without the Lenz effect...

The concept about bucking coils is very interesting to me, and it seem to have been used in many overunity devices: http://www.hyiq.org/Downloads/Guidelines%20to%20Bucking%20Coils.pdf

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Re: Mostly Permanent Magnet Motor with minimal Input Power
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Re: Mostly Permanent Magnet Motor with minimal Input Power
« Reply #444 on: January 05, 2015, 01:54:12 AM »
Hi Luc,

The concept about bucking coils is very interesting to me, and it seem to have been used in many overunity devices: http://www.hyiq.org/Downloads/Guidelines%20to%20Bucking%20Coils.pdf



Many overunity devices?  No offense intended but, could you please just name one that has been tested and proven?  I see this stated many times here but I have never seen any proof of any devices that have been really tested to be O.U.

Thanks,

Bill

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Re: Mostly Permanent Magnet Motor with minimal Input Power
« Reply #445 on: January 05, 2015, 02:20:11 PM »
Hanon,


I agree one can find the bucking coil in many concepts. Yet it bends my mind... Each coil would generate a CEMF, but as the currents collide at the center tap, no current may flow at all ..? And of cource, no CEMF.


Have you successfully obtained any current flow from a bucking coil?


Or is it maybe something for HF, so slight diffrences between the coils allow the current to pass one by one?


BR


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Re: Mostly Permanent Magnet Motor with minimal Input Power
« Reply #446 on: January 06, 2015, 01:06:06 AM »
Hi Luc,

This post is about your video:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PTykNjDD0CM

It is just to reference you, for your info,  this other video about this scheme , published in hyiq.org about Bucking Coils:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z-V1z2TdQJA

I suppose that if in your video you would have used an intermediate tap between the CW coil and the CCW coil to extract the induced voltage you would have got current without the Lenz effect...

The concept about bucking coils is very interesting to me, and it seem to have been used in many overunity devices: http://www.hyiq.org/Downloads/Guidelines%20to%20Bucking%20Coils.pdf

Thanks for remembering me sharing the beginning concept of this hanon

I suppose you could be right but what matters is to find the use for the effect and share it as Chris Sykes is doing!

I will be testing his version real soon and who knows, maybe I'm kind of testing this now without knowing lol: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9LK2C4qBY1Y

Thanks for taking the time to bring it to the attention of this topic

Luc

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Re: Mostly Permanent Magnet Motor with minimal Input Power
« Reply #447 on: January 06, 2015, 12:50:38 PM »
Hanon,


I agree one can find the bucking coil in many concepts. Yet it bends my mind... Each coil would generate a CEMF, but as the currents collide at the center tap, no current may flow at all ..? And of cource, no CEMF.


Have you successfully obtained any current flow from a bucking coil?



Hi Dieter,

I have not test it yet but I have guessed some configurations which can get induction along the center tap of both bucking coils.

What about an aligned configuration as:
 
 INDUCER (N) ---- ONE BUCKING COIL ---- ONE BUCKING COIL ---- (N) INDUCER
 
 Where both inducers are creating a North pole toward each bucking coil (same inducer poles facing each other: North-North). This way each bucking coil is transversed by a different inducer field : one inducing in CW and other inducing in CCW, the same as the wiring of both bucking coils. With this configuration the induced current is extracted in the center tap. Now the question is if there is Lenz effect??



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Re: Mostly Permanent Magnet Motor with minimal Input Power
« Reply #448 on: January 15, 2015, 09:49:54 PM »
Basicly, when there is a current flow then there is a CEMF,  and Lenz is slapping his "law" right into our faces...again  :'( . If the two parts of the bucking coil would share the same space then they would neutralize eachother's CEMFs, but I don't know if any current would flow if both parts have eg. north poles on both ends, or alternating both north, then both south... Maybe something that could be simulated in FEMM.


BR


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Re: Mostly Permanent Magnet Motor with minimal Input Power
« Reply #449 on: February 15, 2018, 03:53:29 AM »
Hi Gotoluc and others,

I am new to overunity forum. I did go through all the videos of Gotoluc and it did show very interesting effects.

This forum is inactive but I am not able to draw proper conclusions from the present conversation.

All the experiments done by Luc confirm that the magnets add strength to the solenoid. However, OU is not reached because of the generator effect. But I think these experiments should have indeed changed how solenoids/electromagnets are used today. Any one is aware of using these experiments in the real world? Or I am missing something due to which it will not work.

 

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