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Title: TheEnergyDream working PM
Post by: teslaalset on December 07, 2009, 04:41:35 PM
Interesting new demo:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YnYHBowc8SQ&feature=sub
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Post by: Mark69 on December 07, 2009, 07:01:32 PM
very interesting
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Post by: Xaverius on December 07, 2009, 10:40:26 PM
I wonder how it works?  I've replicated similar devices that were proven frauds.
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Post by: Mark69 on December 08, 2009, 05:09:05 AM
the center hub looks to be from a hard drive; a big plate of aluminum for the base?  I would like to know what the "wheel" came from and of course the magnets with positions.  Looks simple enough to build?

Mark
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Post by: bw on December 11, 2009, 08:31:58 AM
This doesn't apply to the above device but anyone working with magnets
should see this
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5L0kOl6-Afg&feature=channel
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Post by: FatChance!!! on December 11, 2009, 04:06:31 PM
Look at all his other "Free energy" videos.
If this guy was honest then he would have founds and company by now
and having developed his "contrapments" for real world household use.

Of course there is an induction coil hidden under the table.
There is no other explanation needed.
Title: Re: TheEnergyDream working PM
Post by: krosskin on December 12, 2009, 08:54:28 AM
Look at all his other "Free energy" videos.
If this guy was honest then he would have founds and company by now
and having developed his "contrapments" for real world household use.

Of course there is an induction coil hidden under the table.
There is no other explanation needed.

I think that this guy "Free energy" is not the author of this video. This video has appeared for the first time on youtube
Earlier also was called on another -
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mww4p5moloo&feature=related
Title: Re: TheEnergyDream working PM
Post by: hartiberlin on December 14, 2009, 04:27:22 PM
very nice video !

I have copied it to my account over here at youtube:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i0oUaPZ_wF8

so it will not get deleted from the original authors.


I hope that it is no fake.

We would need to see it from a bigger distance and with the
original audio, so we can see, that there is NO
compressed air or anything simular blown to it to accelerate it.

What is very interesting, is, that he used the stator with a big iron
bar, and several magnets in a very asymmetric flux guidance setup,
simular to the Helmut Goebkes motor,
see:
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=3979.0

so it could be that the stator magnet fields are very asymmetric and
will just accelerate the rotor.

I guess the rotor would have only one pole showing to the outside
so for instance only north pole pointing out, not a changing north/south
direction.

Then it is very simular to the Helmut Goebkes motor.

Regards, Stefan.
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Post by: Groundloop on December 14, 2009, 05:09:42 PM
Nice video.

Is there anybody that can do a video analyze of the rpm?

Groundloop.
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Post by: Pirate88179 on December 14, 2009, 10:25:45 PM
Stefan:

It also looks like that lower plate might be aluminum which, if this is not fake, might add to the mix.  I have to admit I am still gun shy after the Mylow affair.

Bill
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Post by: Cloxxki on December 14, 2009, 11:15:24 PM
Long shot thought. What if the plate if of a right-hand material? That might mess things up was we know them. 3 main parts. Stator-plate-rotor.
I lack the knowledge to even express my idea properly, but it seems interesting enough for a more trained mind to think into. It does look highly realistic, doesn't it?
I like how the little magnet on top of the stator seems to function as a gearbox of sorts. Not great leverage, but super spin.
If it's fake, it's the Mona Lisa of its kind.
Title: Re: TheEnergyDream working PM
Post by: pillager on December 15, 2009, 10:00:14 AM
He is obviously blowing air on the rotor
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Post by: titof on December 15, 2009, 10:57:03 AM
do you think all guys have time to lose by making fakes video ?
really?
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Post by: tagor on December 15, 2009, 11:40:15 AM
do you think all guys have time to lose by making fakes video ?
really?

yes

see the mylow story !!
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Post by: titof on December 15, 2009, 11:45:17 AM
and just now, us, We have time to lose on forums...instead of testing any device...

pfffff......   fucking energy crisis    :D ;D
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Post by: mike-ao on December 15, 2009, 05:25:04 PM
see the mylow story !!
is it hidden and secret or do you have a link for it?
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Post by: tagor on December 15, 2009, 05:59:34 PM
is it hidden and secret or do you have a link for it?


there is a lot of link :

do a search with "mylow saga"


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Post by: Xaverius on December 15, 2009, 06:17:21 PM

there is a lot of link :

do a search with "mylow saga"
  Mylow + Magniworks = Fraud
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Post by: mike-ao on December 16, 2009, 12:09:23 AM

there is a lot of link :

do a search with "mylow saga"
  Mylow + Magniworks = Fraud
oki, done... sorry somehow i got messed up with the name "mylow". just 4get my question
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Post by: hartiberlin on December 16, 2009, 12:46:10 AM
I had another closer look into the video and
when he disassembled it, you can see,
that the stator magnets jump onto the rotor
magnets and that tells me, that the rotor
magnet are just magnetized north or south
on the outside.
So if it it no fake, then it is pretty simular with the
Helmut Goebkes setup.

Regards, Stefan.
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Post by: Rosphere on December 16, 2009, 04:53:37 AM
is it hidden and secret or do you have a link for it?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bw-8YJvicrw (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bw-8YJvicrw)
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Post by: mike-ao on December 16, 2009, 11:25:05 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bw-8YJvicrw (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bw-8YJvicrw)
can#t see it, because...
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This video is not available in your country due to copyright restrictions
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Post by: Rosphere on December 16, 2009, 01:00:08 PM
can#t see it, because...

How about this?

http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=7039.msg179637#msg179637 (http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=7039.msg179637#msg179637)
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Post by: happysoul on December 16, 2009, 08:40:55 PM
Since we don't know what kind of metals are used I think it is hard to replicate.

What about the bars with all the holes ? do those have a purpose ?
What material is the flywheel etc....

I found lots of projects on youtube very promising and later dissapointing as a lot of
people actually "have time" to create misleading hoaxes.

Anyway it looks good... but need to have more details released to us to even think about replicating.

HappySoul.
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Post by: hartiberlin on December 16, 2009, 11:10:52 PM
can#t see it, because...

Try it via vtunnel:

http://www.vtunnel.com/

Then it plays.
It is the video about the Mylow magnet motor fake
and how it was discovered..
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Post by: Pirate88179 on December 16, 2009, 11:37:03 PM
Stefan:

Yes, about how it was discovered here on Overunitydotcom by our own smart folks. Through excellent analysis the fraud was brought out and proven.  That remains one of the best investigations I have had the pleasure to witness.

Bill
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Post by: Rosphere on December 17, 2009, 01:37:02 AM
Interesting new demo:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YnYHBowc8SQ&feature=sub

I started making screen shots.  But why bother; pause and see here at...

1:22  The supporting shaft would make an excellent pulley.

1:16  The middle finger is moving in to release the thread from the pulley?

1:17~1:20  While all the jiggling is going on, the "metal" board could be moved slightly to slacken the thread loop.

At least Mylow used a glass table.  Oh, but this setup could not have worked any rotating magnetic things under the table because the "metal" plate would shield the action?

I kept asking myself where I had seen surface finishes like that before; the way the light reflected off that "metal" plate.  The only surface I could think of was wood.  Testers made a bitchin' silver paint back in the day when I assembled scale models.  The more I look at it, the more it looks, and behaves, like wood.

1:40~1:48  See how he easily flips the "metal" plate around.  It appears at times to move with accelerations found only in a low density, low inertia material, such as wood... perhaps aluminum,... worked over to have a woody surface finish of course.

Yawn.
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Post by: Pirate88179 on December 17, 2009, 04:47:12 AM
Rosphere:

Interesting thoughts.  Did he forget to paint this part in the corner?  It does look like painted wood now that you mention it.

Bill
Title: Re: TheEnergyDream working PM
Post by: tournamentdan on December 22, 2009, 08:03:52 PM
I guess people have not learned from mylow. There is a good distance between the stator and rotor magnets, meaning that the rotor magnetic flux is strong enough and  would have no problem reaching the aluminum plate and create eddy currents. Which would not allow the rotor to keep spinning.
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Post by: nicbordeaux on January 01, 2010, 02:07:41 PM
Rosphere:

Interesting thoughts.  Did he forget to paint this part in the corner?  It does look like painted wood now that you mention it.

Bill

Looks more like aluminium foil. Anyhow, this thing is supposed to have been running for two years ? The wear pattern, the pivots, all indicates that this gizmo hasn't run for very long, whether it works or there is a hamster under the table in a wheel. Hang on, there's the solution : a 500 kg bionic hamster.
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Post by: BEP on January 01, 2010, 05:01:57 PM
This motor doesn't really amaze me.
What amazes me is folks can look at an obviously well used and worn aluminum plate and declare it painted wood. Why?

Perhaps then they can also declare something under the table surface is providing the energy?

If we are convinced it is fake then why even make a comment? Has anyone looked at the other U-Tube videos by this person? It is obvious he knows something uncommon. Probably not magic or OU but he certainly has a different perspective.

I'll go with the bionic hamster until someone adds a string to the video or he shows the radioactive matches like the plastic lid motor.
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Post by: Bowmanconsult on January 07, 2010, 06:13:29 AM
Why bother with strings when a continuous blast of air through a nozzle blowing on the magnets will do?

That's the bad thing about this video...they have music piped in so you can't hear the air blowing, nor the sound the magnets would make when he put the magnetic bar on the steel table (assuming the plate was steel).

BUT...if you take a very close look at the spokes of the spinner, you can tell when the RPM's increase as it looks like the wheel spins backwards for a moment or so, and that's natural with spoked wheels.

BUT...if you look when the wheel should be spining at the greatest RPM (right before they take the bar magnet setup away), you don't see that effect. As a matter of fact, it looks like the spinner is decreasing in speed even before they take the magnetic bar away.

That tells me that the person applying the air turned it off before the person holding the magnetic bar took it away. Look at the video several times and see for yourself.

Because there's nothing but close-up shots, we'll probably never know.

One last thing...if the person was really legit (like any of us on this site), wouldn't they go into more detail on how to replicate it?

I'm not a 'dooms-dayer' on perpetual motion, but I feel this is fake.

HMMMM.
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Post by: gauschor on January 07, 2010, 12:24:07 PM
These videos get annoying with their behavior of "Aww look here! I have invented the real free energy device but I don't explain why and instead play annoying music". Guess what - no one cares about it then. I also have the feeling that the rotor starts moving too early anyways, so the theory of an air nozzle may be correct.
Anyways, I wonder, why people even take their time to create such videos. I don't think it's so much fun for them to take on alternative energy experimenters by a hoax. It's getting old...

EDIT: When looking at this other video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yf1IesrHBh0&NR=1&feature=fvwp which seems to function by the same principle? Is there some truth to it? Btw, does anyone recognize how the magnets are glued on the disc? If they are put this way:
 
 ______                                 _______
|S____N|_______|axis|_______|N____S|

or that way:

 __                                       __
|S|                                      |S|
|  |____________|axis|_______|  |
|N|                                      |N|

Vertical or horizontal?

Edit2: Oh, I forgot: you can even put them sideways
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Post by: junior_love_2003 on February 05, 2010, 10:04:07 PM
Is very obviouse is a trick . A lot of ppl claiming they have find overunity ,is like a MEADNESSS. When you see this kind of muovies please look at the fluent and smooth turning of the rotor . That is perfect movement, something you cant make with magnets(our days ). If you so some real videos with ppl that are trying to make something you will see that magnets are stoping from time to time becouse of the HAOTIC magnetic field. 2nd thing this guy dosent use magnet shielding so at least to say he has a Controled Magnet filed .
 

   So if you want a simple explenation how that works .
1 The material of the machine dosent meather only  magnets
2 A big transformer underneeth the table or what is he having over there will make the magnet rotor spin smooth becouse of the fluent and orderd magnetic filed produce by the transformer that are spining continuasly. ;)

  So next time make the diference from the 1st view.
 

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Post by: stivep on April 05, 2010, 12:35:37 AM
You did not noticed that when he dissemble hid device  -one of the blocks( with holes) is put to lay perpendicularly to another . AT THAT POINT YOU WILL NOTICE THAT THERE IS MAGNETIC FIELD FROM THE BLOCK .iT IS LIKE  BLOCKS ARE MAGNETIZED.The block moves by itself.     
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Post by: Schpankme on April 07, 2010, 05:19:21 AM
You did not noticed that when he dissemble hid device  -one of the blocks( with holes) is put to lay perpendicularly to another . AT THAT POINT YOU WILL NOTICE THAT THERE IS MAGNETIC FIELD FROM THE BLOCK .iT IS LIKE  BLOCKS ARE MAGNETIZED.The block moves by itself.     

IMO - This type of Thread, once found out to be a Hoax, should be deleted.

Schpankme
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Post by: triffid on May 12, 2010, 05:49:27 AM
Acceleration using the power of the vacuum fluctuation.
http://www.quantumfields.com/gedanken%20spacecraft.pdf
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Post by: BEP on May 13, 2010, 12:29:09 PM
Careful, Triffid.

You may be summarily found to be a hoax and then deleted.

Such decisions are found by mass opinion, are they not?
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Post by: BEP on June 05, 2010, 09:38:40 PM
  Notice the arrangement of the magnets ?

And more. I will try for time to post my analysis later.

Couple of things assumed by evidence on the video: 1. He (he is a he) is probably a retired welder of structural steel. 2. The items he built were probably much smaller and tighter tolerance than buildings. Those things or he is very close to another with that history.

Think I'm full of crap? Identify every item in the video, exactly. No guesses of what the part is or the material. If you can't - you should try another project.

Until you can, you can't debunk the video, either.


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Post by: BEP on June 06, 2010, 06:31:04 AM
As long as compressed air is said or shown to be used then it is acceptable.

This one implies the motor runs with no energy source but does not say so. So, if he is actually using compressed air then he is a fraud.

Where I have difficulty is when a viewer states that compressed air is being used with no evidence it is. To me, this person is just as much a fraud. The source or energy could be other trickery. Why limit guesses to compressed air?

If I think a device may have merit I'll attempt to disprove what has been shown. If my attempt runs as in the video, with no indication air is the trickery, then I must try harder to disprove it until I have succeeded or failed to disprove it. If I can't disprove it then ... never been that far...

I wish I could find one like that  ;)

If it doesn't run then either there isn't enough information, I didn't understand and follow the information given or I'm too dull witted to replicate the project. In any case I shouldn't have started and I certainly have no right to call anyone names. My failure does not prove anything except my failure.

I see no need for compressed air on this one.

However, I am waiting for the author to show the string. I can't wait to see if he is as good as the last guy. That one had a string running above and below an object at the same time. Forget the motor. That string magic is more interesting  ;D
Title: Re: TheEnergyDream working PM
Post by: BEP on June 06, 2010, 03:28:01 PM
  HI BEP,
 With compresssed air in a balloon, it can not be said to an overunity device. The air powering it will run out.
 With this device, it is possible it is legit. I think it would be nice if he did a panoramic view while it is running.
Yes, IMO the balloon, water and gravity thing is like watching 1950's TV re-runs for the 40th time. I want to tell them they are chasing their tails but maybe I'm wrong.

I'm not sure how legit this one is, yet. I did ask him to do a few things for additional proof, early on. The impression I had was he didn't feel the need to prove anything except to himself.

Since I think there is a possibility of something far more weird than a hidden blast of air, I analyzed the video.

Were you aware he broke a magnet off his rotor near the end of the video?
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Post by: BEP on June 07, 2010, 01:56:52 AM
  Hi BEP,
 One thing that would have been nice is to see him reverse direction using his magnet bar. Still, it is something that can be reproduced for purposes of verification.

Really? Asking him to reverse the direction implies the questioner knows exactly how it works. This is almost never the case.

I doubt he could have done that very easily anyway. I'm sure he would have had to reverse all polarities on the bar and reversed the ramp of magnet positions around the stator. Even that may not work. There is a little rule for those succeeding in true magnetic rotation.... there is a preferred chirality.

Haven't had to worry about that rule, yet  ;)

It appears he is using attraction and repulsion together to create rotation. This is only possible if you twist & fold the magnetic loop, like a circle into an infinity symbol.

My guess is: if he could, and did turn the whole thing upside-down, it would stop and not reverse.

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 About the broken magnet, are you referring to when he took his set up a part ?

Yes. He let one of the cylinder magnets fly. It smacked one of the rotor magnets and broke the glue. The way it all happened tells me two things:
1. The magnets on the rotor are all positioned with the same polarity.
2. The rotor is non-ferrous. The color is typical of anodized aluminum.

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One thing that's worth noting is that he has his magnet bar at an angle to the rotor assembly he has. That would allow the magnet field to repell directionally. That's something someone can check with only 2 magnets. You know that guy in the Netherlands ? Stefan had him on the front page. That could be how he did it.

See my comment on twisting and folding above.  :) I can't think of a way to do it with only two magnets unless you figure out the Kraft Philadelphia Cream-Cheese lid motor  ;)

OOPS!, Sorry. I forgot the masses declared that a fraud  ::)

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As for OU using gravity, probably Wednesday I'll starton my build. They kind of hate me for it in the gravity power section. I think I figured out Bessler's wheel. I think he used hydraulics. The sad part is that nobody understands it because it's to advanced.

I'll bite my tongue except to say, it isn't advanced at all. It is just too confusing with all the misinformation, mistranslation and imposition of mindless theories.
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Post by: nicbordeaux on June 11, 2010, 10:46:57 PM
They kind of hate me for it in the gravity power section. I think I figured out Bessler's wheel. I think he used hydraulics. The sad part is that nobody understands it because it's to advanced.

Wow, that's one heavy statement. Bessler's wheel worked out and it used hydraulics ? First of all we have absolutely no proof that Bessler wasn't a conman/fraud, secondly, he wouldn't have needed hydraulcs, just a twisted string picking up weights. The energy required to twist a string is close to zilch, when it is "loaded" by picking up a weight there is a small loss of height, and a massive rotary output. So you need a weight on a wheel, the wheel revolves what it will, say 320°, weight get's picked up, it revolves and al you need to do is harnesss a bit of that power. In fact, Bessler was using dead chickens as ballast.

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/kcYXbMTFuwiBf7OSuA

Now this revolutionnary noo breahthru may astound some of you, but believe me, all you need is a few chickens to run your car, 10 chickens and you have a power plant.
Title: Re: TheEnergyDream working PM
Post by: BEP on June 12, 2010, 02:31:45 AM
Now this revolutionnary noo breahthru may astound some of you, but believe me, all you need is a few chickens to run your car, 10 chickens and you have a power plant.

I will attest to the amazing source of energy called the chicken. Their carcasses are quite flexible in uses. And so is what pops out the back-side.
UnfortuNUTly, I fear many posters in these sites have an additional use for chicken carcasses that makes me long for a salad  :o
There must be a shortage of chicken carcasses, judging by many of the threads generated here.

In any case, I'll take a possibly nutty idea and a positive attitude over snide rectally generated remarks any day. There are 'hate-monger' threads for that.

 
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Post by: hoarybat on July 19, 2010, 04:47:09 AM
yes

see the mylow story !!

I beg to differ but understand your statement.  I'm two years into my project with a large 8ft diameter stator/rotor combo and am making a 4ft. since I don't yet have enough $$ for the rest of the neos for an 8ft although I believe larger is better in my design.  I have had crushed and bloodied fingers on numerous occasions as a result of careless handling one neo too close to another freebie.  I'm easily in to 6 boxes of large band-aids these last two years as well from this pursuit and passion not to mention my own personal surgery of embedded metal splinters.  If I ever get my ("runner") going as hoped I know I wouldn't resort to faking anything.  These people are sadly very insecure individuals and or scammers.  I certainly wouldn't waist my time resorting to the latter.  Time is way too important for me and my family.  Keep plugging guys as I'm still on the quest myself.  :-[  CYA  hoarybat
Title: Re: TheEnergyDream working PM
Post by: supermuble on August 07, 2010, 05:51:25 PM
How come people have no observational skills?

Observational skills being defined as: Opening your eyes, ears, logic and intuition to interpret events.

Here's the deal. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I've watched all the Mylow videos. I've not seen any evidence of fraud whatsoever. Has he admitted to being a fraud? Am I missing something. When one person mentions fraud, we seem to lose our ability to think straight, and just jump to conclusions. Seems overly negative and pessimistic, maybe even brain washed.

People spend more time trying to discredit people than "observing" what is actually happening. This is the cause of all foolish notions.

Let's take a look at Tesla's quote, and TRY - I MEAN TRY - to learn from it.  ;D

"Deficient observation is merely a form of ignorance and responsible for the many morbid notions and foolish ideas prevailing. " — Nikola Tesla

What Tesla means by this is: When you see something that is amazing, and it works unlike anything you've seen before it, do not immediately call bullshit and try to discredit the concept, just because it doesn't make sense to you. Instead of wasting your entire life being a skeptic, and discrediting others for no reason, try to observe instead. And when you observe, try to learn... Or else, we will continue to have foolish ideas - like fossil fuels.








Title: Re: TheEnergyDream working PM
Post by: gauschor on August 07, 2010, 08:02:44 PM
How come people have no observational skills?

Observational skills being defined as: Opening your eyes, ears, logic and intuition to interpret events.

Here's the deal. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I've watched all the Mylow videos. I've not seen any evidence of fraud whatsoever. Has he admitted to being a fraud? Am I missing something.

How come, you have no observational skill yourself? Obviously you have not watched all Mylow videos, because there really was a video in which Mylow admitted it was all fakery and he is so sorry about it.
Title: Re: TheEnergyDream working PM
Post by: Pirate88179 on August 08, 2010, 12:10:37 AM
How come people have no observational skills?

Observational skills being defined as: Opening your eyes, ears, logic and intuition to interpret events.

Here's the deal. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I've watched all the Mylow videos. I've not seen any evidence of fraud whatsoever. Has he admitted to being a fraud? Am I missing something. When one person mentions fraud, we seem to lose our ability to think straight, and just jump to conclusions. Seems overly negative and pessimistic, maybe even brain washed.

People spend more time trying to discredit people than "observing" what is actually happening. This is the cause of all foolish notions.

Let's take a look at Tesla's quote, and TRY - I MEAN TRY - to learn from it.  ;D

"Deficient observation is merely a form of ignorance and responsible for the many morbid notions and foolish ideas prevailing. " — Nikola Tesla

What Tesla means by this is: When you see something that is amazing, and it works unlike anything you've seen before it, do not immediately call bullshit and try to discredit the concept, just because it doesn't make sense to you. Instead of wasting your entire life being a skeptic, and discrediting others for no reason, try to observe instead. And when you observe, try to learn... Or else, we will continue to have foolish ideas - like fossil fuels.


Yes and there were many, many videos done by some smart folks here that showed the fishing line Mylow used.  Do some reading as it was all laid out very clearly that Mylow was using fakery. (Mylow's word)

That scam was busted wide open here on Overunitydotcom while many other research sites were totally duped by Mylow.  Looks like you were too.

Bill
Title: Re: TheEnergyDream working PM
Post by: supermuble on August 08, 2010, 04:55:51 AM
I'm sorry guys, but I am a fisherman myself, and fishing line is extremely slippery and hard. My observation is that the fishing line has never been seen. Its just a rumor. And if the fishing line was seen, why wasn't in the first videos?

Fishing line wouldn't accelerate the wheel as Mylow's wheel clearly did when he let go of it while positioning the magnets. No fishing line could grip the wheel like that. My observation says the impression of fraud was "Faked" because Mylow was threatened. Every free energy device ever created and publicized has at some point been met with suppression.

I'm open to look into this more. But I read the original Howard Johnson article from the 1950's. I remember the guy said he held a stationary magnet in the center of Howards device, and the device began to spin without any input energy or operator input. Why did it work in the 1950's, but not today?

 
Title: Re: TheEnergyDream working PM
Post by: Omnibus on August 08, 2010, 05:14:11 AM
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I remember the guy said he held a stationary magnet in the center of Howards device, and the device began to spin without any input energy or operator input. Why did it work in the 1950's, but not today?

Because he was holding the stator in his hand causing minute jolts pushing the rotor. There are a number of such "motors" proposed. When the stator is secured immovably on a stand rotation ceases.
Title: Re: TheEnergyDream working PM
Post by: Pirate88179 on August 08, 2010, 08:04:33 PM
I'm sorry guys, but I am a fisherman myself, and fishing line is extremely slippery and hard. My observation is that the fishing line has never been seen. Its just a rumor. And if the fishing line was seen, why wasn't in the first videos?

Fishing line wouldn't accelerate the wheel as Mylow's wheel clearly did when he let go of it while positioning the magnets. No fishing line could grip the wheel like that. My observation says the impression of fraud was "Faked" because Mylow was threatened. Every free energy device ever created and publicized has at some point been met with suppression.

I'm open to look into this more. But I read the original Howard Johnson article from the 1950's. I remember the guy said he held a stationary magnet in the center of Howards device, and the device began to spin without any input energy or operator input. Why did it work in the 1950's, but not today?


Here is one of the articles inspired by the work done here on OU:

http://pesn.com/2009/05/19/9501542_Fish-line_discovered_in_Mylow-magnet-motor/ (http://pesn.com/2009/05/19/9501542_Fish-line_discovered_in_Mylow-magnet-motor/)

If you search oudotcom there are many more detailed explanations.  monofiliment line has a surface that, when slack slides easily against the driven shaft, when pulled tight by Mylow, it gets enough traction to drive the shaft, although it was slipping as evidenced by the non-linear results in the acceleration and speed analysis.  Check Mylow's tube videos where he ADMITS to doing it and how and why he did it.

Please, there is more than enough PROOF for us to call Mylow a fraud and a fake.  Trust me, I lived the entire experience and it was not pleasant.  I was one of the many folks working to investigate this fraud but, many others here did a lot more than I did to expose this fakery including detailed acceleration analysis with data logs and synced to the videos done in high def.  You can clearly see the fishing line in several of his videos once you knew where to look for it.

As I said before, please research this for yourself before calling us down for calling Mylow the fraud and fake that he was.


Bill
Title: Re: TheEnergyDream working PM
Post by: Pirate88179 on August 08, 2010, 08:24:30 PM
Lightrider's post copied by Pirate:  Source: http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=7039.4545 (http://index.php?topic=7039.4545)
                     

Re: Howard Johnson Replication Tube Claim (http://index.php?topic=7039.msg182537#msg182537)                                      « Reply #4556 on: May 25, 2009, 11:24:41 PM »                                                                                      *** RE-ANALYSIS OF VIDEO#6 ACCELERATION CURVE ***

Here is a re-analysis, more accurate, of video # 6.
included are the first 5 minutes when the engine is running.

this time each set of magnets was tracked by computer to extract data more accurately.
the first analysis in April, has been done by hand ... frame by frame...(it was less accurate and had more chance of error)
in addition, the transformed data in RPM (Y axis) and second (X axis) for a more simple graphic.

note that even if the technique of analysis has changed ... the results are substantially similar.



the second graph is the analysis of the latest video ... where we have all seen the "string".

it is interesting to note that the acceleration curve are very different. (Video#6 VS latest video)

All  the latest videos analyzed have an acceleration curve similar to the  second graph (steadily and smooth) ... and all have been proven to  operate with the system of "string".

once again, the re-analysis (video#6) shows no consistency in the acceleration curve, not even a constant "top" value.
Title: Re: TheEnergyDream working PM
Post by: Pirate88179 on August 08, 2010, 09:27:27 PM
Here is a youtube video done by TK who shows how the fishing line drives works well even when the motor is in another room:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kmo2poXXmOs (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kmo2poXXmOs)

So now you can see that fishing line DOES work and that Mylow addmitted using it to scam us.  His brother Tony was operating the motor and in one of his vids, you can hear Mylow say  "It's OK Tony, you can turn it off now", as he was trying to stop the wheel from turning.  He says it several times.

Bill
Title: Re: TheEnergyDream working PM
Post by: Light on August 08, 2010, 09:35:52 PM
It's a scam; whole family including parrot and cat just a bunch of liars...proven by many and admitted by them selves when were caught...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O-KbLPIDdJs&feature=related
Title: Re: TheEnergyDream working PM
Post by: Pirate88179 on August 08, 2010, 09:41:45 PM
Video analysis done by one of our members, Capthook, showing Mylow taking off fishing line, and then putting it back on:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dORKOhwLSP4 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dORKOhwLSP4)

Bill
Title: Re: TheEnergyDream working PM
Post by: Pirate88179 on August 08, 2010, 09:45:22 PM
Fishing line clearly seen:


Bill
Title: Re: TheEnergyDream working PM
Post by: fritznien on August 08, 2010, 09:50:54 PM
right on bill.
i have not seen TK post in a long time, any idea what has become of him? thanks.
fritznien
Title: Re: TheEnergyDream working PM
Post by: Pirate88179 on August 08, 2010, 09:51:55 PM
Here is a photo I did back then:

Bill
Title: Re: TheEnergyDream working PM
Post by: Pirate88179 on August 08, 2010, 10:10:33 PM


Quoted from Rosphere:


"I went back and  re-watched the backed-up copies of the few videos that Mylow made of his  device operating on the glass table.  I noticed the following  'technical examples' of a probable hoax.  I suspect that there may be a  fishing-line 'pulley string' around the shaft going off-camera to the  left and that the camera resolution is too low to see it.


Regarding video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oAs4-rQXQjU&feature=channel_page (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oAs4-rQXQjU&feature=channel_page)

At  1:22 he walks to the back of the table taking the long route around the  right instead of the short route around the left.  (Avoiding the string  to the left.)

At 1:40 he states that he, "wants to make sure  that everything is nice and tight," and that he is going to move the  rotor assembly to the right, (our right,) to make it go faster.  (Adding  tension to the string.)

At 2:24 he walks around the right side of the table again, back to the camera.  (Again, avoiding the string to the left.)

At  2:47 he does a walk-around with the camera.  (The camera work seems a  bit 'bouncy' as he passes by the left side, as if he is stepping over  the string.)

At 5:05 he stands on the glass table, camera in hand pointing down at the device.  Then he starts another clockwise walk around.

At 5:30 his left foot steps over 'something' on the left side of the device.  (The string?)

At  5:32 his right foot steps over 'something' on the left side of the  device.  The rest of the path around the table he shuffles his feet on  the table appearing to step over nothing.

At 5:51 we catch a  quick glimpse of some 'breadbox' sized object sitting on the love seat  in the background on the opposite, (left,) side of the table high enough  where a drive motor might be placed.  (There appear to be wires  connected to the left side of this box and a 'stick' poking out of the  right side, perhaps the switch.)

At 6:50 he again takes the right side path to the back of the table.  (Again, avoiding a potential string on the left.)

At 8:22 he again takes the right side path to return to the camera.  (Again, avoiding a potential string on the left.)

At  9:05 he again takes the longer right side path to the back of the  table, to show his face.  (Again, avoiding a potential string on the  left.)

At 9:25 he again takes the right side path to return to the camera.  (Again, avoiding a potential string on the left.)


Regarding video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uLzh5cibTKE&feature=channel_page (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uLzh5cibTKE&feature=channel_page)

At  0:41 he removes the rotor from the base and holds it to the left side.   (I suspect that the string is still around the shaft between his left  hand and the rotor plate.)

At 0:50~052 he appears to be moving  the string out of the way as he mumbles something about putting, "it  right there," as he touches the left stator support for some strange  reason.  (Whoops.)

At 1:18 he replaces the rotor assembly and  mumbles, "make sure everything is lined up here."  He is looking under  the rotor, for some reason, up until 1:24.

At 1:34 he picks it up and moves it slightly to the right, (taking-up string slack.)  Then he replaces the stator assembly.

At 2:03~2:06 again, he moves the rotor assembly even more to the right, (adding string tension.)

At  2:26 he lets go of the rotor assembly and it starts to spin slowly and  smoothly.  (there appears to be no jerking, (da/dt,) as the ends of the  rotor magnet groups pass under the stator as we have seen in his other  videos.)

At 3:15 he, again, takes the long path around the right  side of the table to move to the back.  (After adjusting the stator  position and not getting any more speed, the rotor seems to be moving  slowly at a steady rate still.)

At 3:22~3:37 he plays with the stator adjustment with no change in speed.

At 3:41 he, again, takes the long right side path around the table back to the camera.

At 3:44 he moves off camera to the left, where the drive motor may be located.

At ~4:10 the rotor seems to be accelerating.  (After some tension adjustment from the motor side.)

At  4:45 he, again, takes the long path around the right side of the table  to the back, avoiding stepping over the string on the left side.

At  6:45 he explains that he, "got this cool little rubber material so this  thing won't slide."  Why would it if, "this stator assembly is being  pulled down?"

At 7:26 he, again, takes the long way around the  right side of the table to get to the left side of the camera.   (Avoiding the string on the left side.)

At 8:20 he does a  walk-around with the camera.  (The camera work seems a bit 'bouncy' as  he passes by the left side, like in the previous video, as if he is  stepping over the string.)

At 8:37 of the walk-around, when he is  on the right side of the table, we can not see high enough in the  background to see that box on the love seat from the previous video, (at  5:51.)

At 9:21, after stopping the device, he moves the rotor assembly to the left.  (To take tension off the string.)

At 9:30 he removes the rotor from the base and holds it to the left side, again, like at the beginning of this video.

At  9:37 he brings the rotor right up to the camera to show the bearing.   (The string must be off the shaft now because we are at the end of the  video and he no longer needs it.)

At 9:52 he quickly replaces the  rotor assembly on the stand, (without taking the extra few seconds that  he needed when he replaced it the first time.)


Regarding video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TkGC8EPKBgg&feature=channel_page (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TkGC8EPKBgg&feature=channel_page)

At 0:30 he removes the rotor from the base and holds it to the left side, again, like with the previous videos.

At  0:34 he shows the bearing like at the end of the previous video but he  does not bring the rotor right up to the camera.  (The string is still  attached to the shaft.)

At 1:03 he slides the rotor assembly to the right after replacing it on the base.

At  1:05 he says, "I'm pushing this disk this way," (pointing to the  right,) "so I can be able to get it to go."  (String tension again.)

At  1:45 he says, "for me to get this to go, I'm going to push this this  more that way."  Again, pointing to the right.  Then he does.

At 2:01 he says, "I don't know why this thing's not working."

At 2:27 he says, "I don't know why it's not working," as he looks under the rotor at the shaft, (where the string is attached.)

He  fiddles with it some more and ends the video early, at 3:34, without  success.  (Maybe he got some body oil on the shaft from the end of the  previous video when he took it apart.)


I hope this is enough 'technical examples' to show why I suspect this may be a hoax."



Bill
                                                   
                                            
Title: Re: TheEnergyDream working PM
Post by: Pirate88179 on August 08, 2010, 10:14:34 PM
right on bill.
i have not seen TK post in a long time, any idea what has become of him? thanks.
fritznien

Thanks.
 
I have seen him posting some vids on youtube but I have not seen him here for a while.

Bill
Title: Re: TheEnergyDream working PM
Post by: bmlobo on August 27, 2010, 11:51:15 PM
Hi All,

Here is a site that I am working on a pulse generator and generator coils for a wind powered setup. Take a look at the pictures and feel free to comment.

http://freepowergeneration.blogspot.com/


Thank you
Title: Re: TheEnergyDream working PM
Post by: bmlobo on August 27, 2010, 11:52:08 PM
Hi All,

Here is a site that I am working on a pulse generator and generator coils for a wind powered setup. Take a look at the pictures and feel free to comment.

http://freepowergeneration.blogspot.com/


Thank you
Title: Re: TheEnergyDream working PM
Post by: Pirate88179 on August 28, 2010, 02:06:08 AM
Bruno:

Nice site.  Very well done.  I am looking forward to seeing your progress.  Nice machine work there too.  I did precision ceramic machining using diamond tooling for over 20 years.

Bill
Title: Re: TheEnergyDream working PM
Post by: ZaPHoN on September 06, 2010, 04:55:22 AM
I suspect an air line is used or a charged coil outside the frame and this is how I figured it out.

The reference video I am using is http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u5lXNpOnurw&feature=related

I have analyzed this carefully in Adobe After Effects fame by frame for nearly five hours. I have to admit he was careful to make sure there was no particles that could blow away because what I did was first stabilize sections of the video to so it wasn't bouncing all over the place. Then I carefully watched a few frames at a time to see if any particles moved across the surfaces. I found nothing. This amounted to a lack of evidence of this guy using air specifically so I had to find some other evidence.

Remember, unless manipulated by a coil or other magnets a magnet's force is static. We should be able to assume that when he tunes in his device to get either a steady RPM or an accelerating RPM then the RPM should be predictable unless otherwise manipulated in a fraudulent way.

27 seconds into the video this individual begins to advance the steel bar (Used for clamping by machinists) and the rotor begins to spin.

35 seconds into the video this individual stops advancing the bar and begins advancing the two magnets on the bar to effectively tune in an optimum RPM.

43 seconds the tuning stops and hand is removed.

Now from here on the rotor should either maintain a constant speed or accelerate. But, thanks to temporal sub - sampling we can clearly see that the rotor speeds up then slows down then speeds up again then finally starts slowing down just before this individual stops the rotor with his finger. This is completely in opposition to the way magnets behave. Watch carefully and you will see this.



Title: Re: TheEnergyDream working PM
Post by: WilbyInebriated on September 06, 2010, 05:12:28 AM
I suspect an air line is used or a charged coil outside the frame
some questions for zaphon:
care to demonstrate your suspicions?

can you show a replication being powered by a charged coil outside the frame?

are you suggesting that a rotor with magnets on it being repelled or attracted to a charged coil will speed up, then slow down, speed up again and then slow down again?
Title: Re: TheEnergyDream working PM
Post by: ZaPHoN on September 06, 2010, 09:10:37 AM
It's clear when one carefully analyzes the video with the proper tools that the RPM of the rotor does not behave according to known physical properties of magnets if in fact this demonstration was to be legitimate.

Two facts raise alarm bells. The poster of this video refuses to expand on requests that could potentially establish it to be legit.

Nobody has been able to replicate what should be obviously easy to replicate even without specific plans. It's easy to closely approximate dimensions using the machinist's clamping blocks as reference. The rotor bearing is from the head of a VCR. They make great low friction bearings.

The flywheel is unknown but a moot issue. The magnets are clearly not rare earth.

Because the individual who created this video is most likely a machinist. (Seems to have machinist's hands as well the use of machinist's clamping blocks) I suspect he is using an air nozzle as apposed to an electrical source.

Although there is no preponderance of proof that this is a fraud there are some significant observations that lead one to view this video as highly suspect and until full disclosure and cooperation is meet I would have to bank on the reasonable probability that the video is a fake.

It would be nice however, if this could be proven without a doubt that it is not a fake.

Title: Re: TheEnergyDream working PM
Post by: WilbyInebriated on September 06, 2010, 09:31:43 AM
It's clear when one carefully analyzes the video with the proper tools that the RPM of the rotor does not behave according to known physical properties of magnets if in fact this demonstration was to be legitimate.

Two facts raise alarm bells. The poster of this video refuses to expand on requests that could potentially establish it to be legit.

Nobody has been able to replicate what should be obviously easy to replicate even without specific plans. It's easy to closely approximate dimensions using the machinist's clamping blocks as reference. The rotor bearing is from the head of a VCR. They make great low friction bearings.

The flywheel is unknown but a moot issue. The magnets are clearly not rare earth.

Because the individual who created this video is most likely a machinist. (Seems to have machinist's hands as well the use of machinist's clamping blocks) I suspect he is using an air nozzle as apposed to an electrical source.

Although there is no preponderance of proof that this is a fraud there are some significant observations that lead one to view this video as highly suspect and until full disclosure and cooperation is meet I would have to bank on the reasonable probability that the video is a fake.
your response does not address a single one of the three questions i posed...

It would be nice however, if this could be proven without a doubt that it is not a fake.
indeed, that is why i posed those three questions to you... instead of answering you continue with your speculations.
Title: Re: TheEnergyDream working PM
Post by: ZaPHoN on September 06, 2010, 05:32:23 PM
Have you tried to replicate it nearly exactly to what is seen in the video?

Have you taken the time to analyze the video to the degree some of us have?

I have. It would not work. However, using an air hose I can make the device do exactly what you see in the video. It's too bad. I was hoping it would work.

The fact that music is dubbed over any sound makes me also suspect that this individual didn't want the sound of an air hose being heard.

The poster also makes sure nobody can comment on the video.

The effort I've made is hardly speculation.

I won't waste any more time on this matter.
Title: Re: TheEnergyDream working PM
Post by: MenofFather on September 22, 2010, 08:20:59 PM
(http://img189.imageshack.us/img189/8319/mgnetinisvariklis4.png)
Here is image, may help beter imaginane, in image I show how can be magnet position.
http://img814.imageshack.us/img814/3192/mgnetinisvariklis5.png

http://img809.imageshack.us/img809/3552/magnetinisvariklis.png (http://img809.imageshack.us/img809/3552/magnetinisvariklis.png)
Title: Re: TheEnergyDream working PM
Post by: luishan on October 06, 2010, 11:13:28 PM
The channel upload new interesting video.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oVo0rAJSDrc
Title: Re: TheEnergyDream working PM
Post by: stevensrd1 on October 10, 2010, 05:36:09 PM
Ive seen this video,,might try it or something in the same general ball field eventually. If its real,,and it looks real, but hard to say, till you try it. Thats how I find out,,I tinker alot,,so I try em..If it is not real Im sure there is a way, but I wonder if the magnets to do such are the standard kinds or would the magnet itself need to be made in some other form, different from say a plain old flat or round magnet. Maybe some kind of three dimensional shape,,to fit the design of the rest. Just a thought there..
Title: Re: TheEnergyDream working PM
Post by: FatChance!!! on October 10, 2010, 06:38:31 PM
The channel upload new interesting video.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oVo0rAJSDrc

This was the worst piece of uninteresting crap video I've seen in a long time.
The spin is initiated by the small movements of his hand holding the outer magnet.
Mount the magnet firmly to keep it still and the rotor won't move.
There's a dozen of similar videos floating around showing the same BS.
Beware, anyone presenting this as proof is only looking to get your money.
Keep your wallet tight in your pocket.
 
Title: Re: TheEnergyDream working PM
Post by: magnetmotorman on October 26, 2010, 04:10:58 PM
Then it is very simular to the Helmut Goebkes motor.

Regards, Stefan.
A little correction, for the well of all us who don't know much of this foreign language, the english.

sim·u·lar  (smy-lr, -lär) Archaic
n
One that simulates; a pretender.
adj
fake; simulated
Collins English Dictionary – Complete and Unabridged © HarperCollins Publishers 1991, 1994, 1998, 2000, 2003

Certainly you tried to write "similar".
Title: Re: TheEnergyDream working PM
Post by: TinselKoala on October 27, 2010, 01:55:16 AM
"This video has been removed by the user. "

And another one's gone, another one's gone,
another one Bites the Dust....
Title: Re: TheEnergyDream working PM
Post by: ramset on October 27, 2010, 03:27:12 AM
eman
Why you keep pickin on the BOSS?
BTW his native tongue is German
Chet
TK you check your PM?
Please!!
Title: Re: TheEnergyDream working PM
Post by: luishan on October 27, 2010, 05:41:52 AM
The Father of fake Magnetic Mother is    TinselKoala.

Check it out this video and listen the voice.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jYcjjSfiNNE

He made this fake magnetic motor video originally.

He is the god of fake magnetic motor.
Title: Re: TheEnergyDream working PM
Post by: magnetmotorman on October 27, 2010, 03:44:29 PM
eman
Why you keep pickin on the BOSS?
BTW his native tongue is German
Chet
TK you check your PM?
Please!!
Stop bootlicking!