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Offline supermuble

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Re: TheEnergyDream working PM
« Reply #45 on: August 07, 2010, 05:51:25 PM »
How come people have no observational skills?

Observational skills being defined as: Opening your eyes, ears, logic and intuition to interpret events.

Here's the deal. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I've watched all the Mylow videos. I've not seen any evidence of fraud whatsoever. Has he admitted to being a fraud? Am I missing something. When one person mentions fraud, we seem to lose our ability to think straight, and just jump to conclusions. Seems overly negative and pessimistic, maybe even brain washed.

People spend more time trying to discredit people than "observing" what is actually happening. This is the cause of all foolish notions.

Let's take a look at Tesla's quote, and TRY - I MEAN TRY - to learn from it.  ;D

"Deficient observation is merely a form of ignorance and responsible for the many morbid notions and foolish ideas prevailing. " — Nikola Tesla

What Tesla means by this is: When you see something that is amazing, and it works unlike anything you've seen before it, do not immediately call bullshit and try to discredit the concept, just because it doesn't make sense to you. Instead of wasting your entire life being a skeptic, and discrediting others for no reason, try to observe instead. And when you observe, try to learn... Or else, we will continue to have foolish ideas - like fossil fuels.









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« Reply #45 on: August 07, 2010, 05:51:25 PM »

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Re: TheEnergyDream working PM
« Reply #46 on: August 07, 2010, 08:02:44 PM »
How come people have no observational skills?

Observational skills being defined as: Opening your eyes, ears, logic and intuition to interpret events.

Here's the deal. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I've watched all the Mylow videos. I've not seen any evidence of fraud whatsoever. Has he admitted to being a fraud? Am I missing something.

How come, you have no observational skill yourself? Obviously you have not watched all Mylow videos, because there really was a video in which Mylow admitted it was all fakery and he is so sorry about it.

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« Reply #47 on: August 08, 2010, 12:10:37 AM »
How come people have no observational skills?

Observational skills being defined as: Opening your eyes, ears, logic and intuition to interpret events.

Here's the deal. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I've watched all the Mylow videos. I've not seen any evidence of fraud whatsoever. Has he admitted to being a fraud? Am I missing something. When one person mentions fraud, we seem to lose our ability to think straight, and just jump to conclusions. Seems overly negative and pessimistic, maybe even brain washed.

People spend more time trying to discredit people than "observing" what is actually happening. This is the cause of all foolish notions.

Let's take a look at Tesla's quote, and TRY - I MEAN TRY - to learn from it.  ;D

"Deficient observation is merely a form of ignorance and responsible for the many morbid notions and foolish ideas prevailing. " — Nikola Tesla

What Tesla means by this is: When you see something that is amazing, and it works unlike anything you've seen before it, do not immediately call bullshit and try to discredit the concept, just because it doesn't make sense to you. Instead of wasting your entire life being a skeptic, and discrediting others for no reason, try to observe instead. And when you observe, try to learn... Or else, we will continue to have foolish ideas - like fossil fuels.


Yes and there were many, many videos done by some smart folks here that showed the fishing line Mylow used.  Do some reading as it was all laid out very clearly that Mylow was using fakery. (Mylow's word)

That scam was busted wide open here on Overunitydotcom while many other research sites were totally duped by Mylow.  Looks like you were too.

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« Reply #47 on: August 08, 2010, 12:10:37 AM »
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Re: TheEnergyDream working PM
« Reply #48 on: August 08, 2010, 04:55:51 AM »
I'm sorry guys, but I am a fisherman myself, and fishing line is extremely slippery and hard. My observation is that the fishing line has never been seen. Its just a rumor. And if the fishing line was seen, why wasn't in the first videos?

Fishing line wouldn't accelerate the wheel as Mylow's wheel clearly did when he let go of it while positioning the magnets. No fishing line could grip the wheel like that. My observation says the impression of fraud was "Faked" because Mylow was threatened. Every free energy device ever created and publicized has at some point been met with suppression.

I'm open to look into this more. But I read the original Howard Johnson article from the 1950's. I remember the guy said he held a stationary magnet in the center of Howards device, and the device began to spin without any input energy or operator input. Why did it work in the 1950's, but not today?

 

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Re: TheEnergyDream working PM
« Reply #49 on: August 08, 2010, 05:14:11 AM »
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I remember the guy said he held a stationary magnet in the center of Howards device, and the device began to spin without any input energy or operator input. Why did it work in the 1950's, but not today?

Because he was holding the stator in his hand causing minute jolts pushing the rotor. There are a number of such "motors" proposed. When the stator is secured immovably on a stand rotation ceases.

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« Reply #49 on: August 08, 2010, 05:14:11 AM »
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« Reply #50 on: August 08, 2010, 08:04:33 PM »
I'm sorry guys, but I am a fisherman myself, and fishing line is extremely slippery and hard. My observation is that the fishing line has never been seen. Its just a rumor. And if the fishing line was seen, why wasn't in the first videos?

Fishing line wouldn't accelerate the wheel as Mylow's wheel clearly did when he let go of it while positioning the magnets. No fishing line could grip the wheel like that. My observation says the impression of fraud was "Faked" because Mylow was threatened. Every free energy device ever created and publicized has at some point been met with suppression.

I'm open to look into this more. But I read the original Howard Johnson article from the 1950's. I remember the guy said he held a stationary magnet in the center of Howards device, and the device began to spin without any input energy or operator input. Why did it work in the 1950's, but not today?


Here is one of the articles inspired by the work done here on OU:

http://pesn.com/2009/05/19/9501542_Fish-line_discovered_in_Mylow-magnet-motor/

If you search oudotcom there are many more detailed explanations.  monofiliment line has a surface that, when slack slides easily against the driven shaft, when pulled tight by Mylow, it gets enough traction to drive the shaft, although it was slipping as evidenced by the non-linear results in the acceleration and speed analysis.  Check Mylow's tube videos where he ADMITS to doing it and how and why he did it.

Please, there is more than enough PROOF for us to call Mylow a fraud and a fake.  Trust me, I lived the entire experience and it was not pleasant.  I was one of the many folks working to investigate this fraud but, many others here did a lot more than I did to expose this fakery including detailed acceleration analysis with data logs and synced to the videos done in high def.  You can clearly see the fishing line in several of his videos once you knew where to look for it.

As I said before, please research this for yourself before calling us down for calling Mylow the fraud and fake that he was.


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Re: TheEnergyDream working PM
« Reply #51 on: August 08, 2010, 08:24:30 PM »
Lightrider's post copied by Pirate:  Source: http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=7039.4545
                     

Re: Howard Johnson Replication Tube Claim                                      « Reply #4556 on: May 25, 2009, 11:24:41 PM »                                                                                      *** RE-ANALYSIS OF VIDEO#6 ACCELERATION CURVE ***

Here is a re-analysis, more accurate, of video # 6.
included are the first 5 minutes when the engine is running.

this time each set of magnets was tracked by computer to extract data more accurately.
the first analysis in April, has been done by hand ... frame by frame...(it was less accurate and had more chance of error)
in addition, the transformed data in RPM (Y axis) and second (X axis) for a more simple graphic.

note that even if the technique of analysis has changed ... the results are substantially similar.



the second graph is the analysis of the latest video ... where we have all seen the "string".

it is interesting to note that the acceleration curve are very different. (Video#6 VS latest video)

All  the latest videos analyzed have an acceleration curve similar to the  second graph (steadily and smooth) ... and all have been proven to  operate with the system of "string".

once again, the re-analysis (video#6) shows no consistency in the acceleration curve, not even a constant "top" value.

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Re: TheEnergyDream working PM
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Re: TheEnergyDream working PM
« Reply #52 on: August 08, 2010, 09:27:27 PM »
Here is a youtube video done by TK who shows how the fishing line drives works well even when the motor is in another room:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kmo2poXXmOs

So now you can see that fishing line DOES work and that Mylow addmitted using it to scam us.  His brother Tony was operating the motor and in one of his vids, you can hear Mylow say  "It's OK Tony, you can turn it off now", as he was trying to stop the wheel from turning.  He says it several times.

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Re: TheEnergyDream working PM
« Reply #53 on: August 08, 2010, 09:35:52 PM »
It's a scam; whole family including parrot and cat just a bunch of liars...proven by many and admitted by them selves when were caught...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O-KbLPIDdJs&feature=related

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Re: TheEnergyDream working PM
« Reply #54 on: August 08, 2010, 09:41:45 PM »
Video analysis done by one of our members, Capthook, showing Mylow taking off fishing line, and then putting it back on:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dORKOhwLSP4

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Re: TheEnergyDream working PM
« Reply #55 on: August 08, 2010, 09:45:22 PM »
Fishing line clearly seen:


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Re: TheEnergyDream working PM
« Reply #56 on: August 08, 2010, 09:50:54 PM »
right on bill.
i have not seen TK post in a long time, any idea what has become of him? thanks.
fritznien

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Re: TheEnergyDream working PM
« Reply #57 on: August 08, 2010, 09:51:55 PM »
Here is a photo I did back then:

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Re: TheEnergyDream working PM
« Reply #58 on: August 08, 2010, 10:10:33 PM »


Quoted from Rosphere:


"I went back and  re-watched the backed-up copies of the few videos that Mylow made of his  device operating on the glass table.  I noticed the following  'technical examples' of a probable hoax.  I suspect that there may be a  fishing-line 'pulley string' around the shaft going off-camera to the  left and that the camera resolution is too low to see it.


Regarding video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oAs4-rQXQjU&feature=channel_page

At  1:22 he walks to the back of the table taking the long route around the  right instead of the short route around the left.  (Avoiding the string  to the left.)

At 1:40 he states that he, "wants to make sure  that everything is nice and tight," and that he is going to move the  rotor assembly to the right, (our right,) to make it go faster.  (Adding  tension to the string.)

At 2:24 he walks around the right side of the table again, back to the camera.  (Again, avoiding the string to the left.)

At  2:47 he does a walk-around with the camera.  (The camera work seems a  bit 'bouncy' as he passes by the left side, as if he is stepping over  the string.)

At 5:05 he stands on the glass table, camera in hand pointing down at the device.  Then he starts another clockwise walk around.

At 5:30 his left foot steps over 'something' on the left side of the device.  (The string?)

At  5:32 his right foot steps over 'something' on the left side of the  device.  The rest of the path around the table he shuffles his feet on  the table appearing to step over nothing.

At 5:51 we catch a  quick glimpse of some 'breadbox' sized object sitting on the love seat  in the background on the opposite, (left,) side of the table high enough  where a drive motor might be placed.  (There appear to be wires  connected to the left side of this box and a 'stick' poking out of the  right side, perhaps the switch.)

At 6:50 he again takes the right side path to the back of the table.  (Again, avoiding a potential string on the left.)

At 8:22 he again takes the right side path to return to the camera.  (Again, avoiding a potential string on the left.)

At  9:05 he again takes the longer right side path to the back of the  table, to show his face.  (Again, avoiding a potential string on the  left.)

At 9:25 he again takes the right side path to return to the camera.  (Again, avoiding a potential string on the left.)


Regarding video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uLzh5cibTKE&feature=channel_page

At  0:41 he removes the rotor from the base and holds it to the left side.   (I suspect that the string is still around the shaft between his left  hand and the rotor plate.)

At 0:50~052 he appears to be moving  the string out of the way as he mumbles something about putting, "it  right there," as he touches the left stator support for some strange  reason.  (Whoops.)

At 1:18 he replaces the rotor assembly and  mumbles, "make sure everything is lined up here."  He is looking under  the rotor, for some reason, up until 1:24.

At 1:34 he picks it up and moves it slightly to the right, (taking-up string slack.)  Then he replaces the stator assembly.

At 2:03~2:06 again, he moves the rotor assembly even more to the right, (adding string tension.)

At  2:26 he lets go of the rotor assembly and it starts to spin slowly and  smoothly.  (there appears to be no jerking, (da/dt,) as the ends of the  rotor magnet groups pass under the stator as we have seen in his other  videos.)

At 3:15 he, again, takes the long path around the right  side of the table to move to the back.  (After adjusting the stator  position and not getting any more speed, the rotor seems to be moving  slowly at a steady rate still.)

At 3:22~3:37 he plays with the stator adjustment with no change in speed.

At 3:41 he, again, takes the long right side path around the table back to the camera.

At 3:44 he moves off camera to the left, where the drive motor may be located.

At ~4:10 the rotor seems to be accelerating.  (After some tension adjustment from the motor side.)

At  4:45 he, again, takes the long path around the right side of the table  to the back, avoiding stepping over the string on the left side.

At  6:45 he explains that he, "got this cool little rubber material so this  thing won't slide."  Why would it if, "this stator assembly is being  pulled down?"

At 7:26 he, again, takes the long way around the  right side of the table to get to the left side of the camera.   (Avoiding the string on the left side.)

At 8:20 he does a  walk-around with the camera.  (The camera work seems a bit 'bouncy' as  he passes by the left side, like in the previous video, as if he is  stepping over the string.)

At 8:37 of the walk-around, when he is  on the right side of the table, we can not see high enough in the  background to see that box on the love seat from the previous video, (at  5:51.)

At 9:21, after stopping the device, he moves the rotor assembly to the left.  (To take tension off the string.)

At 9:30 he removes the rotor from the base and holds it to the left side, again, like at the beginning of this video.

At  9:37 he brings the rotor right up to the camera to show the bearing.   (The string must be off the shaft now because we are at the end of the  video and he no longer needs it.)

At 9:52 he quickly replaces the  rotor assembly on the stand, (without taking the extra few seconds that  he needed when he replaced it the first time.)


Regarding video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TkGC8EPKBgg&feature=channel_page

At 0:30 he removes the rotor from the base and holds it to the left side, again, like with the previous videos.

At  0:34 he shows the bearing like at the end of the previous video but he  does not bring the rotor right up to the camera.  (The string is still  attached to the shaft.)

At 1:03 he slides the rotor assembly to the right after replacing it on the base.

At  1:05 he says, "I'm pushing this disk this way," (pointing to the  right,) "so I can be able to get it to go."  (String tension again.)

At  1:45 he says, "for me to get this to go, I'm going to push this this  more that way."  Again, pointing to the right.  Then he does.

At 2:01 he says, "I don't know why this thing's not working."

At 2:27 he says, "I don't know why it's not working," as he looks under the rotor at the shaft, (where the string is attached.)

He  fiddles with it some more and ends the video early, at 3:34, without  success.  (Maybe he got some body oil on the shaft from the end of the  previous video when he took it apart.)


I hope this is enough 'technical examples' to show why I suspect this may be a hoax."



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Re: TheEnergyDream working PM
« Reply #59 on: August 08, 2010, 10:14:34 PM »
right on bill.
i have not seen TK post in a long time, any idea what has become of him? thanks.
fritznien

Thanks.
 
I have seen him posting some vids on youtube but I have not seen him here for a while.

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