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Offline BEP

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Re: TheEnergyDream working PM
« Reply #30 on: January 01, 2010, 05:01:57 PM »
This motor doesn't really amaze me.
What amazes me is folks can look at an obviously well used and worn aluminum plate and declare it painted wood. Why?

Perhaps then they can also declare something under the table surface is providing the energy?

If we are convinced it is fake then why even make a comment? Has anyone looked at the other U-Tube videos by this person? It is obvious he knows something uncommon. Probably not magic or OU but he certainly has a different perspective.

I'll go with the bionic hamster until someone adds a string to the video or he shows the radioactive matches like the plastic lid motor.

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Re: TheEnergyDream working PM
« Reply #30 on: January 01, 2010, 05:01:57 PM »

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Re: TheEnergyDream working PM
« Reply #31 on: January 07, 2010, 06:13:29 AM »
Why bother with strings when a continuous blast of air through a nozzle blowing on the magnets will do?

That's the bad thing about this video...they have music piped in so you can't hear the air blowing, nor the sound the magnets would make when he put the magnetic bar on the steel table (assuming the plate was steel).

BUT...if you take a very close look at the spokes of the spinner, you can tell when the RPM's increase as it looks like the wheel spins backwards for a moment or so, and that's natural with spoked wheels.

BUT...if you look when the wheel should be spining at the greatest RPM (right before they take the bar magnet setup away), you don't see that effect. As a matter of fact, it looks like the spinner is decreasing in speed even before they take the magnetic bar away.

That tells me that the person applying the air turned it off before the person holding the magnetic bar took it away. Look at the video several times and see for yourself.

Because there's nothing but close-up shots, we'll probably never know.

One last thing...if the person was really legit (like any of us on this site), wouldn't they go into more detail on how to replicate it?

I'm not a 'dooms-dayer' on perpetual motion, but I feel this is fake.

HMMMM.

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Re: TheEnergyDream working PM
« Reply #32 on: January 07, 2010, 12:24:07 PM »
These videos get annoying with their behavior of "Aww look here! I have invented the real free energy device but I don't explain why and instead play annoying music". Guess what - no one cares about it then. I also have the feeling that the rotor starts moving too early anyways, so the theory of an air nozzle may be correct.
Anyways, I wonder, why people even take their time to create such videos. I don't think it's so much fun for them to take on alternative energy experimenters by a hoax. It's getting old...

EDIT: When looking at this other video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yf1IesrHBh0&NR=1&feature=fvwp which seems to function by the same principle? Is there some truth to it? Btw, does anyone recognize how the magnets are glued on the disc? If they are put this way:
 
 ______                                 _______
|S____N|_______|axis|_______|N____S|

or that way:

 __                                       __
|S|                                      |S|
|  |____________|axis|_______|  |
|N|                                      |N|

Vertical or horizontal?

Edit2: Oh, I forgot: you can even put them sideways
« Last Edit: January 07, 2010, 02:51:16 PM by gauschor »

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Re: TheEnergyDream working PM
« Reply #32 on: January 07, 2010, 12:24:07 PM »
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Re: TheEnergyDream working PM
« Reply #33 on: February 05, 2010, 10:04:07 PM »
Is very obviouse is a trick . A lot of ppl claiming they have find overunity ,is like a MEADNESSS. When you see this kind of muovies please look at the fluent and smooth turning of the rotor . That is perfect movement, something you cant make with magnets(our days ). If you so some real videos with ppl that are trying to make something you will see that magnets are stoping from time to time becouse of the HAOTIC magnetic field. 2nd thing this guy dosent use magnet shielding so at least to say he has a Controled Magnet filed .
 

   So if you want a simple explenation how that works .
1 The material of the machine dosent meather only  magnets
2 A big transformer underneeth the table or what is he having over there will make the magnet rotor spin smooth becouse of the fluent and orderd magnetic filed produce by the transformer that are spining continuasly. ;)

  So next time make the diference from the 1st view.
 


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Re: TheEnergyDream working PM
« Reply #34 on: April 05, 2010, 12:35:37 AM »
You did not noticed that when he dissemble hid device  -one of the blocks( with holes) is put to lay perpendicularly to another . AT THAT POINT YOU WILL NOTICE THAT THERE IS MAGNETIC FIELD FROM THE BLOCK .iT IS LIKE  BLOCKS ARE MAGNETIZED.The block moves by itself.     

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Re: TheEnergyDream working PM
« Reply #35 on: April 07, 2010, 05:19:21 AM »
You did not noticed that when he dissemble hid device  -one of the blocks( with holes) is put to lay perpendicularly to another . AT THAT POINT YOU WILL NOTICE THAT THERE IS MAGNETIC FIELD FROM THE BLOCK .iT IS LIKE  BLOCKS ARE MAGNETIZED.The block moves by itself.     

IMO - This type of Thread, once found out to be a Hoax, should be deleted.

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Re: TheEnergyDream working PM
« Reply #36 on: May 12, 2010, 05:49:27 AM »
Acceleration using the power of the vacuum fluctuation.
http://www.quantumfields.com/gedanken%20spacecraft.pdf

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Re: TheEnergyDream working PM
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Re: TheEnergyDream working PM
« Reply #37 on: May 13, 2010, 12:29:09 PM »
Careful, Triffid.

You may be summarily found to be a hoax and then deleted.

Such decisions are found by mass opinion, are they not?

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Re: TheEnergyDream working PM
« Reply #38 on: June 05, 2010, 09:38:40 PM »
  Notice the arrangement of the magnets ?

And more. I will try for time to post my analysis later.

Couple of things assumed by evidence on the video: 1. He (he is a he) is probably a retired welder of structural steel. 2. The items he built were probably much smaller and tighter tolerance than buildings. Those things or he is very close to another with that history.

Think I'm full of crap? Identify every item in the video, exactly. No guesses of what the part is or the material. If you can't - you should try another project.

Until you can, you can't debunk the video, either.



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Re: TheEnergyDream working PM
« Reply #38 on: June 05, 2010, 09:38:40 PM »
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« Reply #39 on: June 06, 2010, 06:31:04 AM »
As long as compressed air is said or shown to be used then it is acceptable.

This one implies the motor runs with no energy source but does not say so. So, if he is actually using compressed air then he is a fraud.

Where I have difficulty is when a viewer states that compressed air is being used with no evidence it is. To me, this person is just as much a fraud. The source or energy could be other trickery. Why limit guesses to compressed air?

If I think a device may have merit I'll attempt to disprove what has been shown. If my attempt runs as in the video, with no indication air is the trickery, then I must try harder to disprove it until I have succeeded or failed to disprove it. If I can't disprove it then ... never been that far...

I wish I could find one like that  ;)

If it doesn't run then either there isn't enough information, I didn't understand and follow the information given or I'm too dull witted to replicate the project. In any case I shouldn't have started and I certainly have no right to call anyone names. My failure does not prove anything except my failure.

I see no need for compressed air on this one.

However, I am waiting for the author to show the string. I can't wait to see if he is as good as the last guy. That one had a string running above and below an object at the same time. Forget the motor. That string magic is more interesting  ;D

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Re: TheEnergyDream working PM
« Reply #40 on: June 06, 2010, 03:28:01 PM »
  HI BEP,
 With compresssed air in a balloon, it can not be said to an overunity device. The air powering it will run out.
 With this device, it is possible it is legit. I think it would be nice if he did a panoramic view while it is running.
Yes, IMO the balloon, water and gravity thing is like watching 1950's TV re-runs for the 40th time. I want to tell them they are chasing their tails but maybe I'm wrong.

I'm not sure how legit this one is, yet. I did ask him to do a few things for additional proof, early on. The impression I had was he didn't feel the need to prove anything except to himself.

Since I think there is a possibility of something far more weird than a hidden blast of air, I analyzed the video.

Were you aware he broke a magnet off his rotor near the end of the video?

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« Reply #41 on: June 07, 2010, 01:56:52 AM »
  Hi BEP,
 One thing that would have been nice is to see him reverse direction using his magnet bar. Still, it is something that can be reproduced for purposes of verification.

Really? Asking him to reverse the direction implies the questioner knows exactly how it works. This is almost never the case.

I doubt he could have done that very easily anyway. I'm sure he would have had to reverse all polarities on the bar and reversed the ramp of magnet positions around the stator. Even that may not work. There is a little rule for those succeeding in true magnetic rotation.... there is a preferred chirality.

Haven't had to worry about that rule, yet  ;)

It appears he is using attraction and repulsion together to create rotation. This is only possible if you twist & fold the magnetic loop, like a circle into an infinity symbol.

My guess is: if he could, and did turn the whole thing upside-down, it would stop and not reverse.

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 About the broken magnet, are you referring to when he took his set up a part ?

Yes. He let one of the cylinder magnets fly. It smacked one of the rotor magnets and broke the glue. The way it all happened tells me two things:
1. The magnets on the rotor are all positioned with the same polarity.
2. The rotor is non-ferrous. The color is typical of anodized aluminum.

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One thing that's worth noting is that he has his magnet bar at an angle to the rotor assembly he has. That would allow the magnet field to repell directionally. That's something someone can check with only 2 magnets. You know that guy in the Netherlands ? Stefan had him on the front page. That could be how he did it.

See my comment on twisting and folding above.  :) I can't think of a way to do it with only two magnets unless you figure out the Kraft Philadelphia Cream-Cheese lid motor  ;)

OOPS!, Sorry. I forgot the masses declared that a fraud  ::)

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As for OU using gravity, probably Wednesday I'll starton my build. They kind of hate me for it in the gravity power section. I think I figured out Bessler's wheel. I think he used hydraulics. The sad part is that nobody understands it because it's to advanced.

I'll bite my tongue except to say, it isn't advanced at all. It is just too confusing with all the misinformation, mistranslation and imposition of mindless theories.

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Re: TheEnergyDream working PM
« Reply #42 on: June 11, 2010, 10:46:57 PM »
They kind of hate me for it in the gravity power section. I think I figured out Bessler's wheel. I think he used hydraulics. The sad part is that nobody understands it because it's to advanced.

Wow, that's one heavy statement. Bessler's wheel worked out and it used hydraulics ? First of all we have absolutely no proof that Bessler wasn't a conman/fraud, secondly, he wouldn't have needed hydraulcs, just a twisted string picking up weights. The energy required to twist a string is close to zilch, when it is "loaded" by picking up a weight there is a small loss of height, and a massive rotary output. So you need a weight on a wheel, the wheel revolves what it will, say 320°, weight get's picked up, it revolves and al you need to do is harnesss a bit of that power. In fact, Bessler was using dead chickens as ballast.

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/kcYXbMTFuwiBf7OSuA

Now this revolutionnary noo breahthru may astound some of you, but believe me, all you need is a few chickens to run your car, 10 chickens and you have a power plant.

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« Reply #43 on: June 12, 2010, 02:31:45 AM »
Now this revolutionnary noo breahthru may astound some of you, but believe me, all you need is a few chickens to run your car, 10 chickens and you have a power plant.

I will attest to the amazing source of energy called the chicken. Their carcasses are quite flexible in uses. And so is what pops out the back-side.
UnfortuNUTly, I fear many posters in these sites have an additional use for chicken carcasses that makes me long for a salad  :o
There must be a shortage of chicken carcasses, judging by many of the threads generated here.

In any case, I'll take a possibly nutty idea and a positive attitude over snide rectally generated remarks any day. There are 'hate-monger' threads for that.

 

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Re: TheEnergyDream working PM
« Reply #44 on: July 19, 2010, 04:47:09 AM »
yes

see the mylow story !!

I beg to differ but understand your statement.  I'm two years into my project with a large 8ft diameter stator/rotor combo and am making a 4ft. since I don't yet have enough $$ for the rest of the neos for an 8ft although I believe larger is better in my design.  I have had crushed and bloodied fingers on numerous occasions as a result of careless handling one neo too close to another freebie.  I'm easily in to 6 boxes of large band-aids these last two years as well from this pursuit and passion not to mention my own personal surgery of embedded metal splinters.  If I ever get my ("runner") going as hoped I know I wouldn't resort to faking anything.  These people are sadly very insecure individuals and or scammers.  I certainly wouldn't waist my time resorting to the latter.  Time is way too important for me and my family.  Keep plugging guys as I'm still on the quest myself.  :-[  CYA  hoarybat

 

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