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Author Topic: STEORN DEMO LIVE & STREAM in Dublin, December 15th, 10 AM  (Read 904679 times)

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Re: STEORN DEMO LIVE & STREAM in Dublin, December 15th, 10 AM
« Reply #3180 on: May 31, 2010, 12:41:54 AM »
@Groundloop,

That's great. Looking forward to see the results of your replication. Good luck.

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Re: STEORN DEMO LIVE & STREAM in Dublin, December 15th, 10 AM
« Reply #3181 on: May 31, 2010, 02:14:58 AM »
@Omnibus,

It will take 3 weeks until I can build and test this circuit.
I will be back with more info then. Attached is the Eagle CAD
files (zipped) if anybody want them. Eagle electronic CAD is
a free design program from http://www.cadsoft.de/ that
allow you to make up to 100mm x 100mm size pcb.
One need to buy the program if one want to make larger size pcbs.

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Re: STEORN DEMO LIVE & STREAM in Dublin, December 15th, 10 AM
« Reply #3182 on: June 01, 2010, 07:21:11 PM »
@All,

Here is a 555 oscillator circuit that can be used to switch coils.

The ICM7555IPAZ IC uses only 60uA to run but is still able to
drive a mosfet gate via a pullup resistor. The frequency range
can be changed by using a different value on C1. The really nice
feature on this circuit is that the frequency adjustment does NOT
affect the duty cycle, also, the  duty cycle adjustment does NOT
affect the oscillator frequency. The duty cycle can be adjusted
from (almost) 0% to (almost) 100%. The Eagle CAD files are
attached as a zipped file.

I hope you find this circuit useful.

Groundloop.

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Re: STEORN DEMO LIVE & STREAM in Dublin, December 15th, 10 AM
« Reply #3182 on: June 01, 2010, 07:21:11 PM »
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Re: STEORN DEMO LIVE & STREAM in Dublin, December 15th, 10 AM
« Reply #3183 on: June 02, 2010, 10:08:00 PM »
@Omega_0,

The more I think about the calorimetry the more convinced I get it's not appropriate a technique in this case. Even if the heat is measured accurately the problem with the input power is practically unresolvable. The complicated form of the signals requires a very detailed quantization and that can be achieved for only very short periods of time, way too short compared to the periods needed for accurate calorimetry. The method I'm applying, only comparing experimentally obtained electrical quantities, is the most rigorous indeed, provided these quantities are correctly measured. Now what needs to be done is to find qualified independent parties to reproduce what I've already found. @Groundloop said he's planing replication as well as you, as far as I recall. This third party replication has been the weak point in all OU claims so far and this study should be an example as to how such claims are to be handled. I'll try to speak with colleagues these days and see if they would be interested in reproducing the results. Also, I'd appreciate it if you or the other participants in this discussion would come up with names and/or places I could contact to explore if they'd want to try reproducing these findings. The beauty here is that we're dealing with easily available apparatus (easily available where such work is routinely done, of course) and with a device which cannot be more accessible.

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Re: STEORN DEMO LIVE & STREAM in Dublin, December 15th, 10 AM
« Reply #3184 on: June 02, 2010, 10:18:26 PM »
Most people in Academia are afraid for their careers and they won't touch such experiments with a ten foot pole. Case in point -- there's an experiment done in one of the universities on the East Coast, confirmed in several independent labs, proving OU without a doubt. This hasn't been the goal of their research but has popped-up as an unexpected byproduct. A friend of mine is involved in it and him and I are really amazed to observe how the researchers themselves are reluctant to make their finding public. This is an effect that has never been discussed in the OU forums and it may be an element of what's causing the effect I'm observing. I won't get into this now to not get distracted from the main issue but that is a telling experience in addition to everything else we know about what's going on in the OU research field.

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Re: STEORN DEMO LIVE & STREAM in Dublin, December 15th, 10 AM
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Re: STEORN DEMO LIVE & STREAM in Dublin, December 15th, 10 AM
« Reply #3185 on: June 02, 2010, 11:48:10 PM »
@Omnibus,

My build will be some time after the 10th of June. My test
will loop the input back to the source battery so if there
is any OU then the source battery will charge. I have
ordered parts and pcb for this project and will start
soldering as soon as I get the parts.

Groundloop.

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Re: STEORN DEMO LIVE & STREAM in Dublin, December 15th, 10 AM
« Reply #3186 on: June 02, 2010, 11:58:23 PM »
@Groundloop,

The nature of the OU at this point isn't such as to be pluggable back into input. What we have now is excess heat and that excess heat has to be converted into electrical energy suitable to be fed back into the input (the current and voltage signals have to be of an appropriate form and frequency). So, if your intention is to prove OU that way the result will be negative. We can say that right now, without carrying out special experiments with charging a battery. Instead, what is needed is to replicate the rigorous measurement of the input and the output current and voltage (their momentary values) and do the integration just as the correct methodology requires. Values of the resistances should also be very carefully measured. The results presented so far, although of far-reaching scientific value, are of no practical interest whatsoever at this point (unless someone intends to use the excess heat for heating purposes but that's trivial and can hardly match the scientific significance of the results presented).

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Re: STEORN DEMO LIVE & STREAM in Dublin, December 15th, 10 AM
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Re: STEORN DEMO LIVE & STREAM in Dublin, December 15th, 10 AM
« Reply #3187 on: June 03, 2010, 12:02:29 AM »
Well, unless you have the knowledge and the skills (which you probably do, judging from your posts do far) to design and make the converter I mentioned in my previous post. That, surely, will bring about a substantial advance of the topic and if self-sustaining can be achieved then no measurements with scopes and such would be necessary at all. I'd be curious if that's what you really intend to do?

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Re: STEORN DEMO LIVE & STREAM in Dublin, December 15th, 10 AM
« Reply #3188 on: June 03, 2010, 12:07:14 AM »
@Omnibus,

Did you measure your excess heat in the output load resistor or in the transformer?

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Re: STEORN DEMO LIVE & STREAM in Dublin, December 15th, 10 AM
« Reply #3188 on: June 03, 2010, 12:07:14 AM »
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Re: STEORN DEMO LIVE & STREAM in Dublin, December 15th, 10 AM
« Reply #3189 on: June 03, 2010, 12:19:46 AM »
First, it has to be understood that all we get as output in the secondary coil is heat. That's on the one hand. On the other hand, heat in the primary coil is also output in the energy balance equation. In most cases the excess heat comes from the heat developed in the primary coil and therefore in these cases we don't even need a secondary coil (the contribution of the secondary coil in the overall output is negligible).

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Re: STEORN DEMO LIVE & STREAM in Dublin, December 15th, 10 AM
« Reply #3190 on: June 03, 2010, 12:28:49 AM »
@Omnibus,

I do not understand you? Did you not use resistors to measure
the input and output power to/from the coil?

Groundloop.

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Re: STEORN DEMO LIVE & STREAM in Dublin, December 15th, 10 AM
« Reply #3190 on: June 03, 2010, 12:28:49 AM »
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Re: STEORN DEMO LIVE & STREAM in Dublin, December 15th, 10 AM
« Reply #3191 on: June 03, 2010, 12:41:17 AM »
The resistors which I use are to measure the current (by measuring the voltage drop across these resistors and dividing their resistance into that voltage drop). The obtained heat in the output coil side of the transformer, however, is equal to the Joule heating of the resistor in question plus the Joule heating of the secondary coil itself (it also has Ohmic resistance). That isn't the entire heat obtained, however. In the energy balance equation, in addition to the Joule heat of the secondary coil and the Joule heat of the mentioned resistor, you have to add also the Joule heat developed in the resistor in series with the primary coil, the Joule heat of the primary coil itself and the Joule heat of the two additional coils I have added in series with the primary coil. All of that is output and that output has to be compared with the input (with the integrated momentary Iin*Vin, that is).

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Re: STEORN DEMO LIVE & STREAM in Dublin, December 15th, 10 AM
« Reply #3192 on: June 03, 2010, 12:44:44 AM »
@Omnibus

I do wonder if the test you are performing is accurate when measuring only on the ground side of the device.
Do you think it possible to accurately test the primary on the input side in a similar fashion?

The reason I think this is because it would seem there could be some capacitive coupling between the windings in the transformer. This would tend to show up as increased output on the secondary and reduce the load on the primary (where you are checking).

It would also be likely that the capacitive transfer would also be optimal at some exact frequency.
If the input load were used in the calculations, then this could be eliminated.


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Re: STEORN DEMO LIVE & STREAM in Dublin, December 15th, 10 AM
« Reply #3193 on: June 03, 2010, 12:50:38 AM »
@Omnibus,

OK, I got it now.

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Re: STEORN DEMO LIVE & STREAM in Dublin, December 15th, 10 AM
« Reply #3194 on: June 03, 2010, 12:58:31 AM »
@Omnibus

I do wonder if the test you are performing is accurate when measuring only on the ground side of the device.
Do you think it possible to accurately test the primary on the input side in a similar fashion?

The reason I think this is because it would seem there could be some capacitive coupling between the windings in the transformer. This would tend to show up as increased output on the secondary and reduce the load on the primary (where you are checking).

It would also be likely that the capacitive transfer would also be optimal at some exact frequency.
If the input load were used in the calculations, then this could be eliminated.

I would like to understand this argument better. First, as you can see all the voltages, both on the side of the input and on the side of the output coil, are measured against the same ground, as is the correct way of measuring them.

Further, capacitive coupling between the windings of the transformer seems far fetched to me. There may be such a thing but I've never heard of it. A reference or link would help.

Let's, however, suppose that there is such coupling. Understand first that I' calculating both on the input and the output side. The capacitive coupling would affect the phase of the I with respect to V and at some frequencies it might be very favorable. Then, if capacitive coupling brings about the effect let it be more. That not only wouldn't hurt but will favor the results and will explain additionally where the effect might be coming from.

Remember also that at the request of @gyulasun I placed capacitance in parallel with the input and I saw no effect due to this addition.

 

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