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Author Topic: STEORN DEMO LIVE & STREAM in Dublin, December 15th, 10 AM  (Read 1197967 times)

callanan

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Re: STEORN DEMO LIVE & STREAM in Dublin, December 15th, 10 AM
« Reply #570 on: December 27, 2009, 12:24:06 PM »
Egostorm??

I have made my motor using high impedance toroid taken from a differential protection sensor, a fan and reed .
With the high resistance I had a supply voltage above 100 V.
No success, the only effect was to squeak the toroid, the resonance remanis also reducing the voltage.
I suggest to don't use the reed it interferes with the magnet for a wide area of rotation, and also generates interaction torque.
the toroid was positioned tangential.
Nex step hall sensor circuit and toroid face to face the magnet.

Hi Wings,

I have found that increasing the input voltage in an effort to get the rotor to turn only resulted in more wasted energy being dissipated as heat in the coil. I actually have had far more success by reducing the input voltage as much as possible whilst changing my rotor/coil arrangement to result in far more torque. But the most important thing I found was that by using a piece of iron or ferrite next to the torroidal drive coils, the torque was significantly increased for very low input voltage and power.

Please see the following pictures. I am able to run this motor on as little as 0.25 watts at low RPM from 50-100rpm. Thats an input of 250ma at 1V. Without those washers you see next to the coils, there is no way this motor will run on such little power. I am using a reed switch for the switching which works fine for low voltages.

Regards,

Ossie

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Re: STEORN DEMO LIVE & STREAM in Dublin, December 15th, 10 AM
« Reply #571 on: December 27, 2009, 12:31:55 PM »
Hi Wings,

I have found that increasing the input voltage in an effort to get the rotor to turn only resulted in more wasted energy being dissipated as heat in the coil. I actually have had far more success by reducing the input voltage as much as possible whilst changing my rotor/coil arrangement to result in far more torque. But the most important thing I found was that by using a piece of iron or ferrite next to the torroidal drive coils, the torque was significantly increased for very low input voltage and power.

Please see the following pictures. I am able to run this motor on as little as 0.25 watts at low RPM from 50-100rpm. Thats an input of 250ma at 1V. Without those washers you see next to the coils, there is no way this motor will run on such little power. I am using a reed switch for the switching which works fine for low voltages.

Regards,

Ossie

Ossie,

EXCELLENT MY OL FRIEND!!!!!

You have an excellent contribution to the art on several points, maybe what you have discovered is how the steorm unit works on 1.25 VDC by using the back up washers!!!!!.  I noticed that JLN had a large mass behind his coils that looked like ferrite too.  MOST EXCELLENT....Good to see you are in the game!!!!!  I am at my computer now.  Email as usual.

Ben K4ZEP

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Re: STEORN DEMO LIVE & STREAM in Dublin, December 15th, 10 AM
« Reply #572 on: December 27, 2009, 12:40:01 PM »
MH maybe I should make a really big post quoting you on things you have been saying on a FREE ENERGY OPEN SOURCE RESEARCH FORUM which is called OVERUNITY.COM. I don't even have to look farther than your above post:

I swear to god if you keep these negative rants up which you have made in countless threads without any single figment of experimentation or open mindness I will make it my sole purpose on this forum to get you banned from it. Consider it a miracle Stefan hasn't made that choice yet. Either reconsider your unreasonable and complete disbelieve in the sole purpose and cause of this forum or you will be removed from it like garbage.

You have been forwarned.

I think Broli is right and MileHigh needs a rest from posting
twisting the facts over here, so I have set him on read only.

@Ossi,
well done !
Looking forward to see a few measurement numbers from you.
Nice enhancement with the iron washers !

Regards, Stefan.

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Re: STEORN DEMO LIVE & STREAM in Dublin, December 15th, 10 AM
« Reply #573 on: December 27, 2009, 12:40:53 PM »
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Steorn has’t yet shown proof for overunity. However, Steorn has shown practical elimination of back emf. How is that conventional?
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Steorn do not eliminate back emf, they recover the energy of the back emf.
A simple circuit with a diode connecting the coil to a capacitor can recover the back emf energy when the current in the coil is switched off. For example, all switching power supplies recover back emf, it is conventional technics. Even beginners in electronics engineering know it. It is the same in motors, and it is the reason their efficency can go up to 95%.





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Re: STEORN DEMO LIVE & STREAM in Dublin, December 15th, 10 AM
« Reply #574 on: December 27, 2009, 12:45:54 PM »
Ossie,

EXCELLENT MY OL FRIEND!!!!!

You have an excellent contribution to the art on several points, maybe what you have discovered is how the steorm unit works on 1.25 VDC by using the back up washers!!!!!.  I noticed that JLN had a large mass behind his coils that looked like ferrite too.  MOST EXCELLENT....Good to see you are in the game!!!!!  I am at my computer now.  Email as usual.

Ben K4ZEP

Thanks Ben,

It is amazing how by just playing with a torroidal coil, magnets on a rotor and a battery, you can get far more insight into how this motor works and it starts becoming obvious as to how improvements maybe made. In fact, it now appears to me that what Steorn has presented publically is only the very basic embodiment of this motor which really produces the most minimal torque. As long as you use torroidal coils as your motor drive coils, which do not see the rotor magnet's field, then I am sure there are very many ways that the torque can be increased significantly.

Regards,

Ossie


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Re: STEORN DEMO LIVE & STREAM in Dublin, December 15th, 10 AM
« Reply #575 on: December 27, 2009, 12:50:34 PM »
Steorn do not eliminate back emf, they recover the energy of the back emf.
A simple circuit with a diode connecting the coil to a capacitor can recover the back emf energy when the current in the coil is switched off. For example, all switching power supplies recover back emf, it is conventional technics. Even beginners in electronics engineering know it. It is the same in motors, and it is the reason their efficency can go up to 95%.

Take a look at @Omega_0 calculation. That'll clarify the issue for you.

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Re: STEORN DEMO LIVE & STREAM in Dublin, December 15th, 10 AM
« Reply #576 on: December 27, 2009, 01:33:33 PM »
Steorn do not eliminate back emf, they recover the energy of the back emf.
A simple circuit with a diode connecting the coil to a capacitor can recover the back emf energy when the current in the coil is switched off. For example, all switching power supplies recover back emf, it is conventional technics. Even beginners in electronics engineering know it. It is the same in motors, and it is the reason their efficency can go up to 95%.

Hi All,

As the mechanics are bi-directional with timing the only issue as to rotational direction, the BEMF resulting when the coil/s are turned off ADDS to the rotation and hence efficiency.  Don't need to harvest it, it is already used if diode across the coil!!!!!!!  It is a moot issue.  Being married to two women (one after the other ha)  for 42 years and 4 kids has made me a verry mellow fellow.  Egos here/a persons competance/ slip ups, all part of life, don't mean "nuttin".  Ideas, theories, results, and HAVING FUN AND SAYING WOW WOW when you see something work and then trying to figure out why when the workings turn your "theoretical" world upsides down is where it is at!!!!!
ALL, keep up the good work!!  And whomever the pest is that keeps locking the site down, simply quit it.......

Respectfully
Ben

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Re: STEORN DEMO LIVE & STREAM in Dublin, December 15th, 10 AM
« Reply #577 on: December 27, 2009, 01:38:27 PM »
@Ossi,
well done !
Looking forward to see a few measurement numbers from you.
Nice enhancement with the iron washers !

Regards, Stefan.

Hi Stefan,

OK, here they are. Motor being powered from batteries via a 1 ohm shunt resistor. Voltage to motor after shunt is 2.2 volts. Average current on analogue ammeter is 300ma. Rotor is spining at 180 RPM. Circuit is a simple series circuit of battery, shunt, reed switch and coils, that's all. The two torroidal coils are in parallel. Here are the scope shots.

The first scope shot is across the shunt resistor. The second scope shot is across the coils (Both are in parallel).

Regards,

Ossie


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Re: STEORN DEMO LIVE & STREAM in Dublin, December 15th, 10 AM
« Reply #578 on: December 27, 2009, 01:43:34 PM »
Hi Ossie,

Can you also weigh out the rotor so that we can make Omega_0 calculation. It'll be very nice if Ben also does this. Thanks.

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Re: STEORN DEMO LIVE & STREAM in Dublin, December 15th, 10 AM
« Reply #579 on: December 27, 2009, 01:46:22 PM »
Hi Gang,

Does everyone realize that we have experimenters on every continent working on this now.  All are contributing in their own way to the effort to understand  this effect!!!!!  Absolutely most excellent!  The internet has made this possible, the rapid melding of minds and ideas.  Astonishing.  I stand in AWE.

Ben

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Re: STEORN DEMO LIVE & STREAM in Dublin, December 15th, 10 AM
« Reply #580 on: December 27, 2009, 01:51:23 PM »
Hi Ben,

Indeed. And this (whether or not the machine is OU) can be resolved within hours. Measure correctly the input energy (that's pretty straightforward), weigh the rotor (straightforward as well) and observe the rpm's it's spinning at steady state and do @Omega_0 calculations. By tonight we'll know the answer coming in from all continents.

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Re: STEORN DEMO LIVE & STREAM in Dublin, December 15th, 10 AM
« Reply #581 on: December 27, 2009, 01:56:59 PM »
Another replication by someone, no batteries this time :

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TDS03F5mX7g

And JLN's new video, basics demo:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xjhh0Jwj7vo

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Re: STEORN DEMO LIVE & STREAM in Dublin, December 15th, 10 AM
« Reply #582 on: December 27, 2009, 02:06:32 PM »
Hi Ben,

Indeed. And this (whether or not the machine is OU) can be resolved within hours. Measure correctly the input energy (that's pretty straightforward), weigh the rotor (straightforward as well) and observe the rpm's it's spinning at steady state and do @Omega_0 calculations. By tonight we'll know the answer coming in from all continents.

I have a doubt there. The current is being measured across a 0.01 ohm shunt, so do I need to adjust the value of the current somewhere ?
Can someone cross check that calculation pl?

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Re: STEORN DEMO LIVE & STREAM in Dublin, December 15th, 10 AM
« Reply #583 on: December 27, 2009, 02:09:28 PM »
Hi Ossie,

Can you also weigh out the rotor so that we can make Omega_0 calculation. It'll be very nice if Ben also does this. Thanks.

Hi OB,

OK, this was the best I could do. See pics below. Motor runs at 180 RPM for an input of 2.2V at 300ma or 0.66 watts.

Approximate rotor weight is 350 grams.

Regards,

Ossie


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Re: STEORN DEMO LIVE & STREAM in Dublin, December 15th, 10 AM
« Reply #584 on: December 27, 2009, 02:14:33 PM »
Another replication by someone, no batteries this time :

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TDS03F5mX7g

And JLN's new video, basics demo:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xjhh0Jwj7vo

Hi OM,

There is a power supply/battery there just out of sight.  6VDC, big cap. filter. DC current is not right on meter on left, DVM/DIM does not work correctly with that duty cycle, must use scope and current shunt to do it right.  BUT GREAT RUNNING MOTOR!!!!!!

JLN getting ducks in row!

Respectfully
Ben