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Author Topic: STEORN DEMO LIVE & STREAM in Dublin, December 15th, 10 AM  (Read 1197913 times)

Reincarnate

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Re: STEORN DEMO LIVE & STREAM in Dublin, December 15th, 10 AM
« Reply #315 on: December 23, 2009, 02:55:52 AM »
Well, this shows the effect does exist.
The problem with using ferrite is you need to know which ferrite you are using.
Ferrite used in typical transformers will have an extremely high saturation point because this is good for transformers.
The ferrite that should work best would have a low saturation point. Or possibly not even use ferrite.

Meanwhile, nobody seems to notice the pink elephant in the room which is the four sets of three disk magnets below the coils backed up with some iron laminates and the extra large hub above which probably contains another toroid magnet and core.

Thane Heins ring a bell? Steorns next controversy will probably be a patent fight since this does not seem to look anything like the original.

God created whiskey to keep the Irish from taking over the world so the Irish drank the whiskey and then created Orbo. Even Hitler had something to say about that.

Hitler reacts to Steorn's demo and launch of Orbo!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xRk5ea5pA5Y&feature=related

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Re: STEORN DEMO LIVE & STREAM in Dublin, December 15th, 10 AM
« Reply #316 on: December 23, 2009, 03:00:28 AM »
With this toroidal core saturation effect, setting muR to 1  one could also easily
build an overunity transformer with no moving parts.
Just make sure most of the magnetic flux from
a permanent magnet is attrated to the toroidal
coil´s ferrite, when the coil is not energized.
If you put an output coil into the airgap between
magnet and toroidal ferrite coil and only draw current
from it, when the toroidal input coil is not energized,
then you will have some kind of motionless orbo overunity transformer.

By the way, is it possible with FEMM to simulate also
BackEMF and CounterEMF in coils around iron ferrite cores ?
If yes, this could be modeled in FEMM too, to check for the best output.

Regards, Stefan.

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Re: STEORN DEMO LIVE & STREAM in Dublin, December 15th, 10 AM
« Reply #317 on: December 23, 2009, 03:47:20 AM »
With this toroidal core saturation effect, setting muR to 1  one could also easily
build an overunity transformer with no moving parts.
Just make sure most of the magnetic flux from
a permanent magnet is attrated to the toroidal
coil´s ferrite, when the coil is not energized.
If you put an output coil into the airgap between
magnet and toroidal ferrite coil and only draw current
from it, when the toroidal input coil is not energized,
then you will have some kind of motionless orbo overunity transformer.

By the way, is it possible with FEMM to simulate also
BackEMF and CounterEMF in coils around iron ferrite cores ?
If yes, this could be modeled in FEMM too, to check for the best output.

Regards, Stefan.

I think you may even find two wires going up through the shaft that connect to a coil. E.g., Thane Heins only using toroidal coils instead of I cores. Optical switches switch when coil is shorted to get past hump and using both sides of a magnet in a pulse motor. Compression yields free energy as coil mass is converted into atomic energy.

Not sure that it has as much to do with saturation as it does with pulse compression. The compression accelerates mass which converts mass into the atomic energy contained within the mass.

I don't think Thane really understands his motor beyond a classic EM which is why he feels it violates Lentz law. Lentz law does not apply to an accelerated mass. Many law of physics can be violated with acceleration and why people feel they are impossible, or violate 2nd law when they wrongly apply 2nd law to an open system since mass is fuel source which opens the system.

All free energy devices use acceleration to convert mass into the atomic energy contained within the mass as I described in earlier post. Cavitation is a form of acceleration, pulse compression is a form of acceleration, a laser can be used to accelerate, vacuum tube accelerates, electromagnet accelerator coil accelerates using pancake and coaxial coil from Tesla, etc. It t is all so simple to understand once you let go of all the BS you were programmed with regarding zero point, eather and college level physics and see big picture of the forest.

« Last Edit: December 23, 2009, 04:31:59 AM by Reincarnate »

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Re: STEORN DEMO LIVE & STREAM in Dublin, December 15th, 10 AM
« Reply #318 on: December 23, 2009, 04:18:47 AM »
With this toroidal core saturation effect, setting muR to 1  one could also easily
build an overunity transformer with no moving parts.
Just make sure most of the magnetic flux from
a permanent magnet is attrated to the toroidal
coil´s ferrite, when the coil is not energized.
If you put an output coil into the airgap between
magnet and toroidal ferrite coil and only draw current
from it, when the toroidal input coil is not energized,
then you will have some kind of motionless orbo overunity transformer.

By the way, is it possible with FEMM to simulate also
BackEMF and CounterEMF in coils around iron ferrite cores ?
If yes, this could be modeled in FEMM too, to check for the best output.

Regards, Stefan.

I had the same thought, but I was thinking two toroidal coils and one magnet.
The field would draw to one toroid then the other, back and forth. Each time passing through two separate winding in the gap to generate power. Like switched reluctance.
At resonance in the toroidal coils, one would believe it should produce OU if the Steorn principal is correct.

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Re: STEORN DEMO LIVE & STREAM in Dublin, December 15th, 10 AM
« Reply #319 on: December 23, 2009, 05:05:22 AM »
Here you go, a new photo taken from the demo, one for the skeptics,  ;)

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Re: STEORN DEMO LIVE & STREAM in Dublin, December 15th, 10 AM
« Reply #320 on: December 23, 2009, 05:30:56 AM »
Well Paul, the December demo was "not the real demo" and we are all supposed to tune in in January.  Perhaps "January" really means August 2011, that's how it usually works with these things.

Why didn't they just show the "real thing" a few days ago?  What have they been doing for the past three years?

They simply should have used a capacitor in parallel with a resistor.  The resistor would have been there to "burn off the free energy" if there really was any free energy to be found and prevent the capacitor voltage from going too high.  In reality, the capacitor voltage would have gone down without a resistor in parallel and that would have been the end of Steorn.

How come they didn't show battery out power and energy return power measurements?  All of that high-end measurement equipment and they couldn't do that?

What happened to the magnetic bearings?  What happened to the "real Orbo" that flopped in 2007?

The December Steorn demo was a Lucite extravaganza to hunt and fish for people exactly like you, but with money to "invest" in the company.

Steorn is going to use all of their new Lucite eye candy to show their non-technology at various trade shows and technology fairs, all in the hope of attracting new investor money.  They are just another Lutec.

Just think, all they are doing is showing is showing a lousy pulse motor, something people on this site have been doing for years.

Keep hoping!

MileHigh

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Re: STEORN DEMO LIVE & STREAM in Dublin, December 15th, 10 AM
« Reply #321 on: December 23, 2009, 10:12:18 AM »
Here you go, a new photo taken from the demo, one for the skeptics,  ;)

Quite a claim when there does not exist a scale that could measure the minute amount of mass that would be missing since there is so much energy within mass.

To suggest that energy comes from nowhere is as silly and baseless as the claim that are violating the conservation of energy when it cannot be proven by anyone.

You would need to accurately weigh that motor, probably run it for 10,000 years and then weigh it again and even then, the amount of missing mass would probably be too small to account for.

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Re: STEORN DEMO LIVE & STREAM in Dublin, December 15th, 10 AM
« Reply #322 on: December 23, 2009, 10:24:54 AM »
To suggest that energy comes from nowhere is as silly and baseless as the claim that are violating the conservation of energy when it cannot be proven by anyone.

That's wrong. Violation of CoE has been proven conclusively.

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Re: STEORN DEMO LIVE & STREAM in Dublin, December 15th, 10 AM
« Reply #323 on: December 23, 2009, 10:58:47 AM »
Same old story, same old debates. Steorn has demonstrated nothing of value and there attempt to get credability fail with thier science council which evaluated their first attempt. Go back and look at the promisies re this demo for December. We will get to jan and then another delay.
I do not have the qualifications of MileHigh and many others, but I have seen dozens of devices worldwide in person that have made various claims. To date, (and some even had TUV certification) none have ever demonstrated overunity, free energy or could be closed looped. Can it be done...I am open minded. However to date it has not been achieved. When I evaluate technologies I get the best people I can find to assist.
Has anyone learnt any lessons from 2009 (Mylow was the most entertaining)
Have a great Xmas everyone.
Mark

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Re: STEORN DEMO LIVE & STREAM in Dublin, December 15th, 10 AM
« Reply #324 on: December 23, 2009, 11:08:16 AM »
@markdansie,

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Steorn has demonstrated nothing of value

Not so. Steorn just demonstrated practical elimination of back emf (violation of Lentz' law). That's big.

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Re: STEORN DEMO LIVE & STREAM in Dublin, December 15th, 10 AM
« Reply #325 on: December 23, 2009, 11:44:39 AM »
@markdansie,

Not so. Steorn just demonstrated practical elimination of back emf (violation of Lentz' law). That's big.

Omnibus is right and this shows,
that Mark is not qualified enough in EE to see this.

He should quit his job going around the world for his.

Anybody who hires Mark for this job wastes his money.

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Re: STEORN DEMO LIVE & STREAM in Dublin, December 15th, 10 AM
« Reply #326 on: December 23, 2009, 11:45:31 AM »
I do not have the qualifications of MileHigh and many others,

I didn't know you could have a qualification for spouting useless crap. MH has brought nothing of value to this forum in fact I'm surprised he's not put on read only because of his obstructive ways and zero productivity on this forum.  He denies everything without reason, he strategically obstructs progress of others and infests promising threads like a cancer.

Stefan ask yourself what value it has to let a blockhead like MH run lose on your forum.

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Re: STEORN DEMO LIVE & STREAM in Dublin, December 15th, 10 AM
« Reply #327 on: December 23, 2009, 11:48:50 AM »
@Reincarnate,
you don´t understand the difference of the December 19th demo to
their December 15th demo units.

The December 19th demo was a reconfigured Orbo ,
where they positioned the coils differently for easier viewing.

But it uses the same principle.

Watch all the videos again and it will get clear to you.

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Re: STEORN DEMO LIVE & STREAM in Dublin, December 15th, 10 AM
« Reply #328 on: December 23, 2009, 11:58:24 AM »
I didn't know you could have a qualification for spouting useless crap. MH has brought nothing of value to this forum in fact I'm surprised he's not put on read only because of his obstructive ways and zero productivity on this forum.  He denies everything without reason, he strategically obstructs progress of others and infests promising threads like a cancer.

Stefan ask yourself what value it has to let a blockhead like MH run lose on your forum.

Well, what MH is right about,  is the way Steorn is presenting these things...
Why didn´t they show additional measurements to prove it some more
now ?

Maybe this is their internal political decision to get this done this way ?

Well, maybe they just didn´t want to show now too much,
so we could not figure it out on our own and then
they would loose customers for their SDKB license signups ?

Well, we will probably see that in January 2010.

If not we will fiqure it out on our own.

I will keep an eye on MileHigh and his postings though...

Regards, Stefan.

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Re: STEORN DEMO LIVE & STREAM in Dublin, December 15th, 10 AM
« Reply #329 on: December 23, 2009, 12:10:50 PM »
Well, what MH is right about,  is the way Steorn is presenting these things...
Why didn´t they show additional measurements to prove it some more
now ?

Maybe this is their internal political decision to get this done this way ?

Well, maybe they just didn´t want to show now too much,
so we could not figure it out on our own and then
they would loose customers for their SDKB license signups ?

Well, we will probably see that in January 2010.

If not we will fiqure it out on our own.

I will keep an eye on MileHigh and his postings though...

Regards, Stefan.

Steorn is not here to please anyone of us. As promised they delivered their public demo by the end of the year, as promised to put their first presentation up, and probably as promised in a few weeks others will follow. "Skeptics" like MH are not giving sound advice, what they are doing is nitpicking and trying to break progress.

I suggested the capacitor method on their yt video because it's a sound suggestion, but even if they used it people like MH will just find the next "problem" why Steorn is bullshit. TK is the prime example of this. Within days he had a "replication" to debunk Steorn. When he upset people by it, he crawled back pretending nothing happened. Why don't these "skeptics" have double standards, why did he get away with it, why is his reputation not flushed down the drain. True skeptics should deny nothing and accept nothing untill personal experience says otherwise. People like MH are completely against this philosophy. "Debunk from the start and try to stop progress ASAP". It makes you wonder whether they lack attention in their real lives or are paid for this job. How anyone wants to stop a cause that will be so positive to the world is beyond me unless you are pure evil.