Author Topic: STEORN DEMO LIVE & STREAM in Dublin, December 15th, 10 AM (Read 1211272 times)

interestedinou · « **Reply #270 on:** December 22, 2009, 09:39:00 AM »

Is there anyone in this thread that can explain a simple method to capture the flyback current and put it back in a battery?

FreeEnergy · « **Reply #271 on:** December 22, 2009, 09:51:22 AM »

here let me explain...

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search for "joule thief"

pretty simple huh? lol

Reincarnate · « **Reply #272 on:** December 22, 2009, 11:22:23 AM »

Quote from: MileHigh on December 22, 2009, 06:59:04 AM

Freezer:

You can't just "pluck 'radiant energy' out of thin air" to advance your argument. Sean says that more power is being returned to the battery by the return wire that connects to the battery.

Actually I did do the experiments. I made the measurements that show that the energy in a pulse discharge from an inductor is less than or nearly equal to the battery energy that energized the inductor in the first place. That means that Bedini's "radiant energy" is B.S. I read his 1984 "Kromrey Convertor" 15-page treatise and I almost puked from how little sense he made when discussing electricity and batteries.

So why don't YOU do the experiments. Hook up any Bedini motor or Joule Thief or whatever your favourite flavour of pulsing inductor circuit you want and measure the power supplied by the battery compared to the power you get from the pulsing inductor. In all cases you will find the output power is less than the input power, and you produce heat. The output power plus the heat will equal the input power. "Radiant energy" is just a buzz word to get you excited and induce you to believe in something that's not there. You can prove for yourself that it is not there if you really want to.

MileHigh

All energy is radiant which relegates the term to meaningless. Even Bedini stated when asked what radiant energy is "that it is any energy that radiates." The term means nothing in a science discussion.

Mass is made of energy and all there is in this universe is mass and energy. You can convert mass into the atomic energy contained within the mass and that is how all free energy devices work. You cannot produce stable mass from energy since only a black hole has that kind of power.

Atoms are tiny spinning masses of compressed energy - simple as that.

What is interesting about Orbo, he is using the north and south pole of a magnet since he is using a toroid coil. Most motors only use one pole and the other is wasted.

The Lentz cancellation may be due to the fact that the toroid is using both poles. If the two magnets are magnetically shorted on the other end with a third magnet of opposite polarity, I could see how that might improve their pulse motor through pulse compression. they may also have a shorted coil to cause a compression - see Thane Heins.

Pulse compression creates acceleration. All free energy devices use acceleration to disrupt the spin of an atom to release the energy being compressed within the two or more waves that form it. There are many ways of producing acceleration, pulse compression (compressing energy into time) is just one of them.

There are free energy receivers but they fall into another class of device that convert one form of energy such as heat into another such as electricity or light into electricity. They do not tend to produce large amounts of energy.

I would just wait and see. They are real people using their real names and their real asses are on the line. They don't appear to be con men. Releasing a free energy device in a public forum is a nearly impossible task for a bunch of reason.

Most scientist and inventor stumble many times prior to success. It took over 3000 experiments to invent the lead acid battery.

ramset · « **Reply #273 on:** December 22, 2009, 12:15:12 PM »

Free energy

I agree ,except for this part.
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Chet

broli · « **Reply #274 on:** December 22, 2009, 12:38:51 PM »

Quote from: interestedinou on December 22, 2009, 09:39:00 AM

Is there anyone in this thread that can explain a simple method to capture the flyback current and put it back in a battery?

Here's a helpful circuit:

http://www.falstad.com/circuit/e-inductkick-snub.html

But it needs an extra diode to keep the capacitor from discharging.

Steorn is right about ohmic losses. All the current that is flowing after the current has reached its maximum is lost irreversibly, as this portion cannot be recycled. This is why it's useful to preferably allow the action to happen during the still linear rise time of the current so most of the inductive energy can be recycled.

The Lindemann motor makes good use of this:

http://www.free-energy.ws/electric-motor-secrets/attraction-motor.html

gravityblock · « **Reply #275 on:** December 22, 2009, 12:57:36 PM »

Quote from: IceStorm on December 22, 2009, 08:40:52 AM

No its not a load for the battery, in reality , under NO LOAD , if the coil is a ideal one (no loss) it cost you nothing if you put a sin wave on it, what go in = what come back , its basic electronic for inductor with alternating current. but keep in mind that my example is for a NO LOSS coil , in real world you have lost because of the resistance of the wire but not as large as you think. Its why i said to you that you need a load on a motor to know the power you can extract form it and compare it with another one.

Best Regards,
IceStorm

So, according to you, you can take a coil and use it as an electromagnet without it draining the battery? I don't think so, lol. We're not talking about transformers here. These are two different things we're talking about.

The motor in my example where the coil is continuously energized from the battery is our control experiment to let us know how long the battery can maintain the system at a certain RPM with a continuous output from the battery.

I guarantee you that it takes energy to run a conventional motor at idle speed with no external load on it that is greater than the small loss due to the resistance of the wire. Even when it's at idle speed, it is converting electrical energy into mechanical energy and this mechanical energy produces a CEMF that is against the EMF driving the motor and this increases the amount of energy that is consumed way above the small losses due to the resistance of the wire.

GB

interestedinou · « **Reply #276 on:** December 22, 2009, 01:24:10 PM »

Quote from: broli on December 22, 2009, 12:38:51 PM

Here's a helpful circuit:

http://www.falstad.com/circuit/e-inductkick-snub.html

But it needs an extra diode to keep the capacitor from discharging.

Steorn is right about ohmic losses. All the current that is flowing after the current has reached its maximum is lost irreversibly, as this portion cannot be recycled. This is why it's useful to preferably allow the action to happen during the still linear rise time of the current so most of the inductive energy can be recycled.

The Lindemann motor makes good use of this:

http://www.free-energy.ws/electric-motor-secrets/attraction-motor.html

Thank you for the link. It is very interesting. Do you know of any circuits though that put the flyback current not in a seperate capacitor but back in the original battery?

powercat · « **Reply #277 on:** December 22, 2009, 01:53:36 PM »

From TK
hmmmtoroid_2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BX0YZyI75bM
cat

ramset · « **Reply #278 on:** December 22, 2009, 02:06:10 PM »

Cat
There's something fishy about that Alsetalokin guy.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BX0YZyI75bM

Chet

powercat · « **Reply #279 on:** December 22, 2009, 02:24:45 PM »

Hi Chet
well his set up is different to Steorns, though TK is the only one posting test videos at the moment,
here is some more information from that video.

Quote
Alsetalokin, visiting scientist, shows the "cancellation" of EMF produced by a spinning magnet rotor in a toroidal coil when the coil is energized.

TK: This effect is claimed to be one of the key factors in an "Orbo Electromagnetic Interaction".

AL: Yes, that's right.

It certainly is interesting, and it's not that hard to demonstrate, it turns out. Not that anybody watching Sean's demo on Saturday would have gotten that impression. The Waterways demo did not illustrate the phenomenon that Sean wanted to show, as my 4 previous videos have demonstrated. However, this demonstration that I do here with a toroidal coil and a moving magnet rotor does actually demonstrate the effect.

As you can see, the moving magnets do generate EMF in the coil; when the coil is energised with a DC current, the magnitude of the EMF generated by the magnets decreases, as shown on the oscilloscope.

What is yet to be determined is whether the EMF is actually decreasing as a result of "shielding", or being smoothed out by the battery, acting much like a capacitor to smooth ripple.

This EMF in the coil is a consequence of the moving magnets; it is the CEMF that occurs when a motor is under power. You can see that the toroidal coil does "feel" the magnets; certainly the EMF in the coil is pronounced. The EMF indicated when the battery is in the circuit shows much less ripple from the moving magnets, and is mostly from the battery itself.

Whether this effect can actually be demonstrated in a motor driven by the toroid, with the motor under power, is a story for a different day.

So, Sean McCarthy, I suppose I owe you a mild apology. I thought Steorn had absolutely nothing of interest, much less of value, but at least this phenomenon is interesting.

Cheers, next round's on you.
End========================================

cat

broli · « **Reply #280 on:** December 22, 2009, 02:24:52 PM »

Quote from: interestedinou on December 22, 2009, 01:24:10 PM

Thank you for the link. It is very interesting. Do you know of any circuits though that put the flyback current not in a seperate capacitor but back in the original battery?

Here's the code to import the circuit in the java applet:

$ 1 5.0E-6 12.050203812241895 50 5.0 50
v 432 320 432 144 0 0 40.0 5.0 0.0 0.0 0.5
l 240 144 240 320 0 1.0 0.0786318065125002
159 432 320 304 320 0 20.0 1.0E10
159 304 144 432 144 0 20.0 1.0E10
w 240 144 304 144 0
w 240 320 304 320 0
R 368 224 304 224 0 2 20.0 10.0 0.0 0.0 0.5
w 368 160 368 224 0
w 368 224 368 304 0
w 240 320 240 432 0
w 240 432 528 432 0
w 528 432 528 144 0
d 528 144 432 144 1 0.805904783
d 432 320 560 320 1 0.805904783
w 560 320 560 96 0
w 560 96 240 96 0
w 240 96 240 144 0
o 1 64 0 35 10.0 0.1 0 -1

applet link: http://www.falstad.com/circuit/

This will dump all the energy directly back into the battery. I also attached an illustration of it. The signal generator is meant for switching the switches, in orbo's case this is the optical signal.

gravityblock · « **Reply #281 on:** December 22, 2009, 02:55:45 PM »

Broli,

Nice work!

GB

lumen · « **Reply #282 on:** December 22, 2009, 03:31:35 PM »

@Broli,
I like the circuit, but is it showing the back EMF flowing in the correct direction?

k4zep · « **Reply #283 on:** December 22, 2009, 03:39:16 PM »

Quote from: FreeEnergy on December 22, 2009, 09:51:22 AM

here let me explain...

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search for "joule thief"

pretty simple huh? lol

Show me a self running Joule Thief and I'll get excited but we are having fun arn't we? Nice circuit, very efficient but can't keep the battery charged! What a waste of bandwidth....

Ben

PaulLowrance · « **Reply #284 on:** December 22, 2009, 04:32:07 PM »

Steorn official twitter writes, "The Steorn YouTube channel is now live. Please stop by and subscribe... http://www.youtube.com/user/SteornOfficial"

Does anyone see anything live at their youtube page?

Steorn official twitter,
http://twitter.com/steornorbo

I agree there's no proof of Steorn claim yet. People are saying January will be the month of proof.

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