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Re: STEORN DEMO LIVE & STREAM in Dublin, December 15th, 10 AM
« Reply #3931 on: August 20, 2010, 09:56:45 PM »
Losses, losses ... How to avoid losses ... We discussed that with @Groundloop at one point but things ought to be tried out. Something simple as schematics is needed but that may not be so easy to achieve. A really skilled electronics designer is needed.


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Re: STEORN DEMO LIVE & STREAM in Dublin, December 15th, 10 AM
« Reply #3932 on: August 21, 2010, 03:36:10 AM »
Losses, losses ... How to avoid losses ... We discussed that with @Groundloop at one point but things ought to be tried out. Something simple as schematics is needed but that may not be so easy to achieve. A really skilled electronics designer is needed.

OU starts with power savings that is true! Notice how joule thief is getting better as many people are looking at ways to save more energy in then surprised how many LEDS can be lit on a few mA's. Dr Stifler SEC is better though in many respects as its runs higher up RF so more energy per second extracted and its class C not class B.

They are both OU devices when properly made and understood.

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Re: STEORN DEMO LIVE & STREAM in Dublin, December 15th, 10 AM
« Reply #3932 on: August 21, 2010, 03:36:10 AM »
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Re: STEORN DEMO LIVE & STREAM in Dublin, December 15th, 10 AM
« Reply #3933 on: August 21, 2010, 03:54:11 AM »
OU starts with power savings that is true! Notice how joule thief is getting better as many people are looking at ways to save more energy in then surprised how many LEDS can be lit on a few mA's. Dr Stifler SEC is better though in many respects as its runs higher up RF so more energy per second extracted and its class C not class B.

They are both OU devices when properly made and understood.

OU has already been proven. So, that's beside the point. The goal now is the self-sustaining run. The losses I mentioned are the greatest obstacle to achieve such run. As a matter of fact that's the engineering problem with all OU devices, not only the electrical ones.

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Re: STEORN DEMO LIVE & STREAM in Dublin, December 15th, 10 AM
« Reply #3934 on: August 21, 2010, 12:46:09 PM »
OU has already been proven.

It did not.

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The goal now is the self-sustaining run.
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A self-sustaining run is the only proof of OU.


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Re: STEORN DEMO LIVE & STREAM in Dublin, December 15th, 10 AM
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Re: STEORN DEMO LIVE & STREAM in Dublin, December 15th, 10 AM
« Reply #3935 on: August 21, 2010, 02:53:58 PM »
It did not.

A self-sustaining run is the only proof of OU.

I have already proved OU conclusively in three different ways. Self-sustaining run is only an engineering development. It by no means is the only proof of OU. We are not going to destroy science and its method because of incompetent blabber such as the above.

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Re: STEORN DEMO LIVE & STREAM in Dublin, December 15th, 10 AM
« Reply #3936 on: August 22, 2010, 05:32:40 AM »
I have already proved OU conclusively in three different ways. Self-sustaining run is only an engineering development. It by no means is the only proof of OU. We are not going to destroy science and its method because of incompetent blabber such as the above.

Well i said this before i say it again. When you make an OU device even if you think its only COP 1.1  that provides you with real gains there is no need to prove it to anyone else. Why? Because you are the one that is already benefiting from such gains so why bother trying to convince others?

Lets take Joule Thief and run 100 ultra bright LEDS which lights up your garage or shed using one AA battery or even run it from a small solar panel now you have practical use.

Use bedini fans to cool you in the summer or make Stifler SEC devices to charge batteries ultra fast on mA's.

 What about RV motor conversion? Run a 3 phase 5 HP motor on 20 watts instead of  700 watts. Run your pool pump, heating pump, or AirCon pump in RV mode and save over 50% of your electric bill. Ainsley heater probably is OU then so what? No big deal replicating it for the sake of "science" and measuring 1mW in for 10mW out no one cares if it is or isn't so do something practical with it scale it up and actually make a water heater and save money.

Put HHO stuff on your car and save at least 10% even on a crap design it burns fuel better.

Start making REAL practical changes around you using this technology instead of arguing all day about COP and if Radiant Energy exist.

Even if you spend $100k on test gear and show an OU device in operation it doesn't change anything unless you put it to practical use. No one else is interested and no $100 million donations coming either. The "Museums" are full of OU special magnet motors and expensive toys that do nothing! Many working prototypes awaiting funding from investment angels.

Where is Tom Beardens MEG? I not seen it in Walmart yet same with 100 other devices. Don't hold your breath on steorn or other patented systems that are "almost" ready they are not coming..PERIOD!

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Re: STEORN DEMO LIVE & STREAM in Dublin, December 15th, 10 AM
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Re: STEORN DEMO LIVE & STREAM in Dublin, December 15th, 10 AM
« Reply #3937 on: August 22, 2010, 06:04:00 AM »
Bolt:

Your post sounds a lot like my responses to Youtube comments on my tube videos.  I am a practical guy and, even though "smart" folks tell me the JT circuit "can't do anything useful, I just used one of my early devices to light the way to my bathroom for my 82 year old mother for 10 hours/day for 1.5 months on a "dead" battery.  This used a single 10mm ultra bright led and, she never had a problem seeing her way in the dark.

(It is still going by the way)

So, I agree.  I don't care what something is supposed to do, or is designed to do, I just want to know what it can do and use it.

Great post.

Bill

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Re: STEORN DEMO LIVE & STREAM in Dublin, December 15th, 10 AM
« Reply #3938 on: August 22, 2010, 11:24:37 AM »
I have already proved OU conclusively in three different ways.
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You did not. All conventional laws of physics, especially electromagnetics, implies momentum and energy conservation. If energy was not conserved, these laws would not be internally consistent. Therefore it is logically impossible to prove OU using the current laws of physics. You cannot use them against themself except for proving that they would be inconsistant; it would be known for a long time if it was the case.
If there is OU either these laws are false (nevertheless while being internally consistent) and you cannot use them to prove OU, or they are right and you have to discover the hidden energy source.   
The only exception to this rule would be the well known Maxwell demon, which contradicts only the second law of thermodynamics but not the energy conservation.




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Re: STEORN DEMO LIVE & STREAM in Dublin, December 15th, 10 AM
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Re: STEORN DEMO LIVE & STREAM in Dublin, December 15th, 10 AM
« Reply #3939 on: August 22, 2010, 01:51:17 PM »
You did not. All conventional laws of physics, especially electromagnetics, implies momentum and energy conservation. If energy was not conserved, these laws would not be internally consistent. Therefore it is logically impossible to prove OU using the current laws of physics. You cannot use them against themself except for proving that they would be inconsistant; it would be known for a long time if it was the case.
If there is OU either these laws are false (nevertheless while being internally consistent) and you cannot use them to prove OU, or they are right and you have to discover the hidden energy source.   
The only exception to this rule would be the well known Maxwell demon, which contradicts only the second law of thermodynamics but not the energy conservation.

This is more of the same incompetent blabber you're filling the bandwidth of this forum with. The silly thing is you've heard that mantra and you're repeating it without any chance to prove what you're preaching. Why? Because you don't know what you're talking about. If you knew what you're talking about then you would've been able to prove that "If energy was not conserved, these laws would not be internally consistent." Why can't you prove that? Because it is simply not true. You have a feeling it is true but it isn't. You've heard somewhere someone say it's true but it isn't. Same as with the Einstein's "theory" of relativity -- a truly internally inconsistent theory and yet existing in the mainstream (one of the biggest mistakes science has done ever). You have absolutely no clue what that "theory" is but are arrogant enough to express opinions about it and about internal consistency. What nerve. As for energy, you don't get that energy has a deeper meaning than your limited way of understanding it and that under certain circumstances there is no need to have a pre-existing energy reservoir in order for energy to be produced. Let alone you don't understand that even the laws you mention are not a still entity but are prone to development and further understanding. You are not a scientist but are some kind of engineer at best and instead of taking care of your practical engineering duties you are laboriously expressing opinions on matters you don't understand thus clogging the discussions and disrupting them. That has to stop.

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Re: STEORN DEMO LIVE & STREAM in Dublin, December 15th, 10 AM
« Reply #3940 on: August 22, 2010, 01:58:43 PM »
@bolt,

I have absolutely no interest in the practical aspect of OU. This is a matter of engineering and is the easy part. The difficult part is to convince the entity called Academia which is the only entity in society devoted to study how Nature functions. Academia is the only entity in society with the infrastructure, methods, finances, impact and so on that can promote and develop a correct picture of how Nature works. No company, even the wealthiest, even a conglomerate of the wealthiest companies can achieve such a goal let alone private enthusiasts in their garages. Therefore, if we cannot convince Academia in the reality of our claims all our efforts in the OU field are forsaken, no matter what heaters and how many bulbs we can light at home.

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Re: STEORN DEMO LIVE & STREAM in Dublin, December 15th, 10 AM
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Re: STEORN DEMO LIVE & STREAM in Dublin, December 15th, 10 AM
« Reply #3941 on: August 22, 2010, 04:57:12 PM »
@bolt,

I have absolutely no interest in the practical aspect of OU. This is a matter of engineering and is the easy part. The difficult part is to convince the entity called Academia which is the only entity in society devoted to study how Nature functions. Academia is the only entity in society with the infrastructure, methods, finances, impact and so on that can promote and develop a correct picture of how Nature works. No company, even the wealthiest, even a conglomerate of the wealthiest companies can achieve such a goal let alone private enthusiasts in their garages. Therefore, if we cannot convince Academia in the reality of our claims all our efforts in the OU field are forsaken, no matter what heaters and how many bulbs we can light at home.

Rubbish! Academia is fully aware behind the scenes but they are also aware of who gives them the funding. Whenever there is an Outspoken person within the "club" he usually finds his funding is cut to zero next year ...or worse! This has happened over and over because at the top of the food chain are the elite and they have the money and they decide who gets the money to create a focal point away from the TRUTH. This happens within all facets from pure political agendas to global warming and pharmaceutical. Its not even a theory this happens its a fact! Everyone that has some breakthrough in the last 100 years is either, shunned, killed, paid off,bound under gagging orders, threatened, poisoned, jailed for some fictitious  crime, or technology becomes a "national security" issue and its locked away. Just look at the TPU and Kapanadaze for two perfect examples of many.

You need to see the big picture and see how we are totally controlled where OIL is already the NWO currency and has been for a long time. Its up to us to stop using oil and start applying real practical applications. You are wasting your time proving OU of course it real, its a commodity like air or water! Many times people have gone to the government with real OU devices, looped toys even Sweet Floyd thought he was doing the best thing to save the planet when he demonstrated his 2KW VTA but he soon found out the hard way! Ask John Bedini he has been told where the line in the sand ends.

So just use it to provide immense energy savings at first. Share it and open source it to make it better.

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Re: STEORN DEMO LIVE & STREAM in Dublin, December 15th, 10 AM
« Reply #3942 on: August 22, 2010, 05:07:47 PM »
I have to agree wit Bolt; the best way to prove anything to anyone is to lead by example.  Attempting to force science or anything else onto another usually ends in failure.  The establishment, in all sectors of science and research, tends to hold onto the status quo no matter what.  This same pattern has been repeated throughout the history of mankind.  The only way to convince these people is to lead by example until overunity devices are too widespread to be ignored - at which point they will have to be generally accepted by Academia in fear of making themselves look inconsequential.

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Re: STEORN DEMO LIVE & STREAM in Dublin, December 15th, 10 AM
« Reply #3943 on: August 23, 2010, 02:23:04 AM »
@bolt,

I think you're missing the point and are putting the cart before the horse. The self-sustaining devices are the engineering goal. You cannot start with the accomplished goal which needs infrastructure and finances to be reached. Like I said, no social entity can compare with the potential of Academia in that respect. To expect individual enthusiasts to reach that goal and start selling big devices without the help of such infrastructure is naive. Nothing substantial as technology has been achieved the way you're proposing. Microprocessors, memories, computer technology as a whole has been science first. We wouldn't have these without von Neuman's papers and the like. Lasers. Lasers have been science initially. Pure science. Nuclear technologies too. Transistors etc. -- science again has been the basis. Even brothers Wright's technical achievement has been foreseeable (for the honest researchers, not for the confused New York Times journalists) -- indeed, birds, bodies heavier than air, have been know to fly before brothers Wright. Name anything substantial technologically and you'll find out that it has been researched as pure science first. These technical achievements could have never happened without the stamp of approval by the Academia. This should be clear as day and we shouldn't try to deny it or think it can be circumvented.

As to whether or not OU has been proved, yes, it has been but not by the ones you are mentioning. I don't know of any Bedini claim that could stand serious scientific scrutiny. Not to speak about Kapanadze who isn't anything more than what Mylow is. By your standards Walter Torbay should also be one of those champions OU who have proved it. Bob Kostoff as well. Probably you would give as an example of someone who has achieved OU also that recent Dave from Iniana or that guy from Argentina uttering claims very similar to Bob Kostoff's. Or maybe Valeri Ivanov? And so on and so forth. No, they haven't proved anything yet that would satisfy the stringent criteria of Academia. Sorry to burst your bubble but that's the sad fact and we have to really do something to change that sorry state of affairs specifically targeting Academia. Nothing short of it. You're right in your analysis regarding the deplorable state Academia is in but that should by no means be accepted as a given but should be treated as a temporary anomaly that will have to go.

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Re: STEORN DEMO LIVE & STREAM in Dublin, December 15th, 10 AM
« Reply #3944 on: August 23, 2010, 05:09:48 PM »
Rubbish! Academia is fully aware behind the scenes but they are also aware of who gives them the funding. Whenever there is an Outspoken person within the "club" he usually finds his funding is cut to zero next year ...or worse! This has happened over and over because at the top of the food chain are the elite and they have the money and they decide who gets the money to create a focal point away from the TRUTH. This happens within all facets from pure political agendas to global warming and pharmaceutical. Its not even a theory this happens its a fact! Everyone that has some breakthrough in the last 100 years is either, shunned, killed, paid off,bound under gagging orders, threatened, poisoned, jailed for some fictitious  crime, or technology becomes a "national security" issue and its locked away. Just look at the TPU and Kapanadaze for two perfect examples of many.

I agree with Omnibus.  Your view is unnecessarily conspiratorial.  So many people who have allegedly been "suppressed" are still out there, writing stuff.  You can't be suppressed and still be putting out information.  The fact is that most of these claims have not and cannot withstand real scientific scrutiny.  That is why they are marginalized.

 

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