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jadaro2600

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Willaim Thomson's ( water condenser - electrostatic )
« on: December 02, 2009, 05:43:23 PM »
Lewin of MIT gave a demonstration of William Thomson ( Lord Kelvin )'s water dropper.  Claimed to be a battery of sorts, driven by gravity, this device, old news as it may be, could generate a large voltage differential.

My question is, what patent number is it? ..I can't seem to find any of his patents in the normal locations, (save for maybe a few regarding instruments to measure electrical pressure), nor any patents prior to patent number 1 million uspto for that matter.  Does anyone have a list of Lord Kelvin's patents?

I have searched both USPTO and UK databases.

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Re: Willaim Thomson's ( water condenser - electrostatic )
« Reply #1 on: December 02, 2009, 09:35:34 PM »
You should look up how the patent system came about in the first place. You may find it interesting.

Not all inventions have or need patents. The intelligence in how a device works comes from the Creator. The inventor only steps on what already is there.

After all this lecture!, just google "Lord Kelvon's experiment", or on youtube:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yDun7ILKrUI&feature=related

jadaro2600

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Re: Willaim Thomson's ( water condenser - electrostatic )
« Reply #2 on: December 02, 2009, 10:20:06 PM »
this is true, and thank you for the information. However, the patents would be nice to find, after all, the patent system came about in 1790, and he invented this in the 1890's.

The idea of the patent cam about as the result of a king of england granting a state-sanctioned monopoly to a stained glass manufacturer (circa 1449).

The king ( king henry iv ), probably trying to profit from the out-fitting of churches.

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Re: Willaim Thomson's ( water condenser - electrostatic )
« Reply #3 on: December 03, 2009, 01:40:46 AM »
Lewin of MIT gave a demonstration of William Thomson ( Lord Kelvin )'s water dropper.  Claimed to be a battery of sorts, driven by gravity, this device, old news as it may be, could generate a large voltage differential.

My question is, what patent number is it? ..I can't seem to find any of his patents in the normal locations, (save for maybe a few regarding instruments to measure electrical pressure), nor any patents prior to patent number 1 million uspto for that matter.  Does anyone have a list of Lord Kelvin's patents?

I have searched both USPTO and UK databases.

Last year I did Lord Kelvin's Generator even better than his, I used Rain Gutters on both sides of my house roof to conduct the experiment.

it works very well, I dismantled the wires because it gave me a spooky feeling that it would attract lightning.

all you need is two rain Gutters, Some length of insulated wire, two water pales to connect the wires to and feed the water into the pales.

keep the pales off the ground.

I call it the Lord Kelvin's Rain Gutter High Voltage Generator.

so far I am the only one that I know of that has built Lord Kelvins device in such a manner.

Jerry 8)

rensseak

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Re: Willaim Thomson's ( water condenser - electrostatic )
« Reply #4 on: December 03, 2009, 09:54:04 AM »
Lewin of MIT gave a demonstration of William Thomson ( Lord Kelvin )'s water dropper.  Claimed to be a battery of sorts, driven by gravity, this device, old news as it may be, could generate a large voltage differential.

My question is, what patent number is it? ..I can't seem to find any of his patents in the normal locations, (save for maybe a few regarding instruments to measure electrical pressure), nor any patents prior to patent number 1 million uspto for that matter.  Does anyone have a list of Lord Kelvin's patents?

I have searched both USPTO and UK databases.

http://www.r-s-ultraschall.com/ultraschall/html/proj7a.htm
http://www.r-s-ultraschall.com/ultraschall/html/proj7b.htm
http://www.r-s-ultraschall.com/ultraschall/html/proj7c.htm
http://www.r-s-ultraschall.com/ultraschall/html/proj7d.htm

unfortunately only in german.
It shows that there is also some effects with magnets.


jadaro2600

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Re: Willaim Thomson's ( water condenser - electrostatic )
« Reply #5 on: December 03, 2009, 05:06:25 PM »
Very interesting.  I would be interested to know the wattage output of a device like this, or the basic current flowing between the two.

I could use a JTC  and test the relative brightness of a neon flash ...

... not sure how to measure 20kV, maybe a controlled gap distance and the time between discharges vs. short circuit current?

300 series connected capacitors?

mscoffman

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Re: Willaim Thomson's ( water condenser - electrostatic )
« Reply #6 on: December 04, 2009, 06:14:16 PM »
product;

http://sciencekit.com/ig0020117/p/IG0020117/


add a converted CFL -> some solar cells + ultra cap + timer board
+ DC motor + tubing pump.

Works using: Overunity using the the Law of "Inherient Overunity of Static
Electric Generators."