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jsngeorge423

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Magnetic V Gate
« on: December 02, 2009, 01:33:26 PM »
Hi guys, I know this is not the right topic but I cannot for the life of me find a magnetic section?

I enjoy the idea of idea of free energy and as an Engineer love to sketch designs for machines that all of my education tells me cannot work. I designed this device recently and uses a pair of magnetic V gates to propel the rotor and a pair of cams and followers to jump the "sticky spot" and thus prevent stalling. The device will naturally not work and does not use any sort of new tech but was instead intended to be a small(ish) desk toy that will show the theory of perpetual motion but also why (so far) it will not work.

I might have one of these produced just to play with, maybe it'll inspire something new?
www.jkgdesign.co.uk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wwLwEs0iu7U
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Bulbz

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Re: Magnetic V Gate
« Reply #1 on: December 02, 2009, 02:20:22 PM »
I had thought of an idea similar to that quite a while back, but with my version the cam would have been it the center of the wheel.
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jsngeorge423

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Re: Magnetic V Gate
« Reply #2 on: December 02, 2009, 02:54:39 PM »
I removed the centre of the cam so that the bulk of the rotors weight is located about the outer circumference (the rotor also has a lot of the the inner section removed) and thus should act like a flywheel gaining inertia which (in theory) could carry the rotation past the sticky spot. 
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Re: Magnetic V Gate
« Reply #3 on: December 02, 2009, 05:19:35 PM »
@jsngeorge423

Where does the device get stuck? I like the cam idea. Are you using springs or gravity on the stator mount to push the stator back down? I wondered about this a while back. I kept thinking that if the proper springs weren't used (or stator too heavy) there would be too much force preventing the up stroke of the cam when it came around. I wondered if a train wheel type design would be better?
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jsngeorge423

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Re: Magnetic V Gate
« Reply #4 on: December 02, 2009, 05:34:15 PM »
staffman,

The device would get stuck at the point where one V gate ends and another begins as the horzontal magnet would be have a very strong attraction to the last magnet on the v gate (if that makes sense :-s ).

I toyed with the idea of springs to return the bridge section but decided against it. I have instead designed the gates to operate by attraction rather than repaultion and thus no springs are required as the bridge is always pulled towards the rotor magnetically. (All things being equal the simplest option is usually the best)
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Bulbz

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Re: Magnetic V Gate
« Reply #5 on: December 03, 2009, 11:14:38 AM »
I had a brainwave  ;D...

Could the cam be replaced with repelling magnets, that will get rid of some of the friction.
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FreeEnergy

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Re: Magnetic V Gate
« Reply #6 on: December 03, 2009, 11:28:20 AM »
Quote from: jsngeorge423 on December 02, 2009, 01:33:26 PM
Hi guys, I know this is not the right topic but I cannot for the life of me find a magnetic section?

I enjoy the idea of idea of free energy and as an Engineer love to sketch designs for machines that all of my education tells me cannot work. I designed this device recently and uses a pair of magnetic V gates to propel the rotor and a pair of cams and followers to jump the "sticky spot" and thus prevent stalling. The device will naturally not work and does not use any sort of new tech but was instead intended to be a small(ish) desk toy that will show the theory of perpetual motion but also why (so far) it will not work.

I might have one of these produced just to play with, maybe it'll inspire something new?
www.jkgdesign.co.uk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wwLwEs0iu7U

do you plan on building this in real life? how soon?
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jsngeorge423

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Re: Magnetic V Gate
« Reply #7 on: December 03, 2009, 02:16:35 PM »
I have no plans to produce this at the moment although I do have the digital part files for the entire machine that could all be rapid prototyped in less than 24 hours. Would cost a fortune though!

I am planning on submitting the design to a producer of gadgets (When I find one) for sale in gadget shops or sites like "IWantOneOfThose.com" as I have had quite a few people enquire about this device.

Has anybody else drawn up their designs? I think that even if the device doesn't work they still tend to look quite interesting.
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Rapadura

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Re: Magnetic V Gate
« Reply #8 on: March 04, 2010, 04:47:07 AM »
@jsngeorge423

I think you should build this thing!
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X00013

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Re: Magnetic V Gate
« Reply #9 on: March 04, 2010, 05:23:22 AM »
vgate mite happen with round mags
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happyfunball

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Re: Magnetic V Gate
« Reply #10 on: March 05, 2010, 02:27:51 AM »
Think of a v gate setup as jumping off a cliff. Have you ever seen anyone, other than a hang glider, return to the top using the 'momentum' of the fall? I haven't either...
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TechStuf

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Re: Magnetic V Gate
« Reply #11 on: March 05, 2010, 03:24:53 AM »

Maybe not the 'fall', but I've seen one return to the top using the momentum of the summer once....


HG's are cool
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Rapadura

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Re: Magnetic V Gate
« Reply #12 on: March 05, 2010, 03:58:01 AM »
Just remember it's not a cliff. It's circular, and cliffs aren't circular.
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happyfunball

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Re: Magnetic V Gate
« Reply #13 on: March 05, 2010, 04:07:58 AM »
Quote from: Rapadura on March 05, 2010, 03:58:01 AM
Just remember it's not a cliff. It's circular, and cliffs aren't circular.

The v gate wheel is a circular magnetic cliff.
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nightlife

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Re: Magnetic V Gate
« Reply #14 on: March 05, 2010, 01:13:56 PM »
 This is one of those topics that some can not understand and we just have to know when to stop trying to explain and let them build and learn for themselves.
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