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Discussion board help and admin topics => Half Baked Ideas => Topic started by: onthecuttingedge2005 on December 02, 2009, 08:53:53 AM
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kW9VY6aVLKQ&feature=related
He might say bye but the video will continue, watch it all.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-tDKlwljK1E&feature=related
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I did the experiment with the paper towel hanging over the glass of water, if I place the outside end 'at' the water level then the water dripping stops but does get saturated.
if I place the outside part of the paper towel below the water line the dripping continues, this tells me that the dripping is due to the siphoning effect rather than the wicking itself.
Jerry
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Nice videos but you still run into the same problem as before, how do you fill the container where the wicking is occurring?
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The water surface height difference seems well enough in that second video to simply let is flow back in.
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Indeed in both videos the end of the wick is below the water level, then why not use a siphon. Although if the end of the wick is above the water level and thus can be looped back into the tank then we are in business. I think I saw a youtube video apparently doing this which I can't find anymore.
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Something like this.
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Something like this.
But water always seeks its own level. Why would it stay in compartment B rather than emptying into the lower container?
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But water always seeks its own level. Why would it stay in compartment B rather than emptying into the lower container?
A. and B. are sealed, this creates a higher vacuum up top than the lower water in B., the vacuum at the top chamber B. will cause the water to be drawn up from device E. which is only allowed to flow one way.
should be pretty easy to verify, I will see about finding a one way valve somewhere.
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what if you have capillary tubes and you place a wick at the top so it drips back down?
what if you have 4 wicks in each tube starting from the smallest to the biggest, each wick helps transport the liquid to the biggest tube.
just a thought.
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Something like this.
looks good! i wonder if it will work?
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A Wick manifold has a nice ring to it. the capillary action would cause the siphon effect if the capillary manifolds liquid is higher.
I think it would work. Nice work FE.
Jerry ;)
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A Wick manifold has a nice ring to it. the capillary action would cause the siphon effect if the capillary manifolds liquid is higher.
I think it would work. Nice work FE.
Jerry ;)
lol no you nice work :)
anyway i think your idea just might work and i'd like to see it in real life. doesn't look too hard to build.
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come to think of it i don't think you need a one way flow valve. just make the main water pipe longer towards the bottom of the water tub.
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the air vacuum is a great idea to hold water up outside water level inside a pipe! this is why i don't think the one way flow valve is necessary and will probably cause a drag in the system.
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come to think of it i don't think you need a one way flow valve. just make the main water pipe longer towards the bottom of the water tub.
to play it safe and prevent back flow of the water I'll keep the one way valve in mind, for now, if the concept works I could easily scale it up to make a self functioning Kelvin Generator to produce high voltage. I think that I would use Kelvin's Generator because it has no moving parts, they could be hooked in series and or parallel depending on the current need.
thanks for the compliment and happy hunting!
Jerry 8)
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Edit - see my last reply :)
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It would work without the one way valve as long as the vacuum remains in the top of pipe B.
it would be easy to test, some hot glue, the correct siphon tube and a couple of good plastic containers like a tall plastic drinking cup and a tufferware tub.
shouldn't be to hard.
Jerry ;)
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if the concept works I could easily scale it up to make a self functioning Kelvin Generator to produce high voltage.
A self functioning Kelvin Generator would be a neat contraption.
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It would work without the one way valve as long as the vacuum remains in the top of pipe B.
it would be easy to test, some hot glue, the correct siphon tube and a couple of good plastic containers like a tall plastic drinking cup and a tufferware tub.
shouldn't be to hard.
Jerry ;)
I would love to conduct a test run myself.
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I like over's idea.
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A. and B. are sealed, this creates a higher vacuum up top than the lower water in B., the vacuum at the top chamber B. will cause the water to be drawn up from device E. which is only allowed to flow one way.
should be pretty easy to verify, I will see about finding a one way valve somewhere.
I think the same law that causes water to seek its own level will prevent the siphoning. The one way valve would keep water from pouring out into the reservoir, true, but the force from the siphon would not be strong enough to get water into the tank from the reservoir.
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I'm getting some Acrylic pipes in, I think I can swing making this one too.
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I'm getting some Acrylic pipes in, I think I can swing making this one too.
keep us posted.
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What, you guys are nutz!
The vacuum at the top of B is the greatest, and it would be much easier for the water to simply draw back up the short siphon tube than draw all the way from the bottom of tube B.
That's my thought :o
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Actually the water doesn't want to leave the hose since atmospheric pressure is pushing it back. This is like inverting a cup filled with water, where the pressure of the atmosphere is much bigger than the pressure of the water + the little air that is left.
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I just bought my hot glue gun, what else do I need? I think that I am a higher skeptic than you are but I am going to try my best thought on the subject. you have to remember, I truely don't believe in perpetual energy, I am just trying to help thoughs that have an interest.
wish me luck. we will see where this goes!
Jerry 8)
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I just bought my hot glue gun, what else do I need? I think that I am a higher skeptic than you are but I am going to try my best thought on the subject. you have to remember, I truely don't believe in perpetual energy, I am just trying to help thoughs that have an interest.
wish me luck. we will see where this goes!
Jerry 8)
good luck!
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What, you guys are nutz!
lol maybe.
as simple as this is it wouldn't hurt to try.
peace
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It is a good idea, worth a try.
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what if you used capillary tubes like an outstretched telescope?
theoretically it could go to infinity
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I did the simple experiment 'without' any oneway valves, doesn't look good, there was bleed back into the system through the siphon pipe sucking air in a reverse flow.
I am pretty sure either the siphon pipe needs a oneway valve or the main pipe needs a oneway valve to prevent bleed back. I don't see any other way around it.
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I did the simple experiment 'without' any oneway valves, doesn't look good, there was bleed back into the system through the siphon pipe sucking air in a reverse flow.
I am pretty sure either the siphon pipe needs a oneway valve or the main pipe needs a oneway valve to prevent bleed back. I don't see any other way around it.
one way valve won't help in my opinion because there would be a lot of pressure sitting on top of the one way valve and the flow of siphoning won't be enough to breakthrough the valve to keep the circulation going. sorry.
oh well back to the drawing board.
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what if you used capillary tubes like an outstretched telescope?
theoretically it could go to infinity
i don't get it.
could you be a little more specific on how this should work?
thanks :)
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one way valve won't help in my opinion because there would be a lot of pressure sitting on top of the one way valve and the flow of siphoning won't be enough to breakthrough the valve to keep the circulation going. sorry.
oh well back to the drawing board.
I might have to add capillary action to the siphon tube, like making the core of the siphon tube with paper towels, this might do the trick so long as I have a oneway valve in there.
I will see about about adding the additional capillary force to the experiment, if it fails I know that I could get it to work with heat expansion fluids but then again I am trying to avoid the inevitable.
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i don't get it.
could you be a little more specific on how this should work?
thanks :)
well the capillary effect occurs due to the surface tension variance of water in thin tubes, so one capillary tube of (x) diameter would raise water (y) amount
given that elongating the tube will not have an effect, as the length of the tube does not dictate the amount of water it can raise, but the diameter of the tube itself
with this in mind i think it logical to use increasingly thinner tubes, staggered in a manner as such that the bottom of each proceeding tube would start at the level where the water stops of the preceding one, basically stacking them
image modified from wikipedia, heres the link
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Capillarity.svg
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well the capillary effect occurs due to the surface tension variance of water in thin tubes, so one capillary tube of (x) diameter would raise water (y) amount
given that elongating the tube will not have an effect, as the length of the tube does not dictate the amount of water it can raise, but the diameter of the tube itself
with this in mind i think it logical to use increasingly thinner tubes, staggered in a manner as such that the bottom of each proceeding tube would start at the level where the water stops of the preceding one, basically stacking them
image modified from wikipedia, heres the link
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Capillarity.svg (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Capillarity.svg)
so we would just siphon from the last top capillary tube back down?
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yes, i don't know if it will work or not, it was an idea, but capillary tubes have a max height, and the only other way to get it to raise water higher is to make it thinner, similar to how a more porous material will absorb more faster
from that i wondered if we "stacked" them if the water level wouldn't change, or possibly if it would add up and give extra height
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The problem with capillary action is that you can indeed raise a liquid in this fashion but you cannot drain it from that elevated height.
Capillary action relies on interatomic forces between the capillary material (glass tube, porous material and such) and the liquid. The same forces that raise the liquid are the ones that are holding it in place. Sort of like a magnet stuck to a wall.
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it would be used in combination with the previous set up, this isn't necessarily altering the original idea, just modify it to possibly increase the overall height of the water level
to drain it, the bottom of the first tube could be sealed, and then expose the top to the wick, no pressure variants or anything
like i said i have never tested it nor heard of it, it was just an idea, because like i said before the only way to increase height in a cap tube is to make it thinner, meaning less water, but i just thought it seemed like logically it should be able to be done, getting them to drain is the last step and the easiest
in this application, i wonder if it is possible to use increasingly more porous material to gain distance
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it would be used in combination with the previous set up, this isn't necessarily altering the original idea, just modify it to possibly increase the overall height of the water level
to drain it, the bottom of the first tube could be sealed, and then expose the top to the wick, no pressure variants or anything
like i said i have never tested it nor heard of it, it was just an idea, because like i said before the only way to increase height in a cap tube is to make it thinner, meaning less water, but i just thought it seemed like logically it should be able to be done, getting them to drain is the last step and the easiest
in this application, i wonder if it is possible to use increasingly more porous material to gain distance
are you going to try this out in real life?
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i wish i had the materials to, sorry mate
i was putting it out there so someone might get a better idea out of it, or see if anyone has tried it
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A capillary tube will not drain without external power applied.
Say, you have a very thin capillary tube that raises water one inch. you now remove it. the water will just stay there. The very forces that pulled the water up in the tube are now holding it in place.
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I was Always fasinated by wick's. :)
How they suck up the fuel in lamps and furnace....
So i even tried to build something like this :D :D
M.