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utilitarian

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Re: Ultracaps tested for excess energy
« Reply #480 on: December 17, 2009, 03:55:43 AM »
He may not be running for it but I nominate Wilby as the chief lawyer for the free energy movement. He has all the lingo down pat, just loves to argue, hasn't demonstrated any expertise in the field of electronics and will bore our opposition into submission......Just about the perfect lawyer.

p.s. now what did the do in "Hitch Hiker's Guide to the Galaxy"?

OK, I think I can do a good Wilby here.  (Wilby, you can take a rest, I got this covered.)

"I object, you are committing a logical fallacy, and, and, and a falsehood, too.  I challenge you, a total stranger who owes me no explanation, to prove to my satisfaction the veracity of what you are saying.  And no red herrings!!!!  Or you will be banned from this board for all your logical fallacies, and I will sue you in the Internet Court for defamation, or take other actions, legal or otherwise!!!"

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Re: Ultracaps tested for excess energy
« Reply #481 on: December 17, 2009, 03:59:08 AM »
OK, I think I can do a good Wilby here.  (Wilby, you can take a rest, I got this covered.)

"I object, you are committing a logical fallacy, and, and, and a falsehood, too.  I challenge you, a total stranger who owes me no explanation, to prove to my satisfaction the veracity of what you are saying.  And no red herrings!!!!  Or you will be banned from this board for all your logical fallacies, and I will sue you in the Internet Court for defamation, or take other actions, legal or otherwise!!!"

Very good. You forgot to mention the "ad hominem" rant. :)

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Re: Ultracaps tested for excess energy
« Reply #482 on: December 17, 2009, 04:39:32 AM »
Come on guys, are we not getting just a bit off-topic here?

Bill

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Re: Ultracaps tested for excess energy
« Reply #483 on: December 17, 2009, 05:13:31 AM »
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I object, you are committing a logical fallacy, and, and, and a falsehood, too.  I challenge you, a total stranger who owes me no explanation, to prove to my satisfaction the veracity of what you are saying.  And no red herrings!!!!  Or you will be banned from this board for all your logical fallacies, and I will sue you in the Internet Court for defamation, or take other actions, legal or otherwise!!!

STOP BUSTING MY BALLS!  LOL

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Re: Ultracaps tested for excess energy
« Reply #484 on: December 17, 2009, 05:20:15 AM »
So what if nobody is listening...

My "Gadget" point is simple, if you just produce energy for yourself, what happens when there is no more toilet paper?

Your per capita energy consumption is huge if you live in an industrialized country.  Somebody has to pave the roads and run the potash mines and the trucks have to deliver your food to the supermarket.  I will guess at least 15 times your typical home energy consumption.  You you can't do it all at home.

For my "how does a JT really work" point, nether Bill or Albert know how they actually function.  Do you guys want to know?

In George Orwell's novel "1984" the party said "IGNORANCE IS STRENGTH."  So what's the deal?

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Re: Ultracaps tested for excess energy
« Reply #485 on: December 17, 2009, 06:56:00 AM »
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For my "how does a JT really work" point, nether Bill or Albert know how they actually function.  Do you guys want to know?

No not really, if they wanted to understand the JT they could simply google "boost converters" or "self-oscillating boost converters" and have a wealth of information at their disposal from experts in that field of technology. However, it should be considered that expertise and invention are two very different things, the fathers of modern aviation were bicycle repairmen, the father of modern relativity was a patent clerk, in this respect we could say being an "expert" counts for very little in the evolution of technology. How can you be an expert in something that has yet to be invented?, it is just as likely that an unqualified person working in their garage will develop a new technology as any expert. One statistic stated 80% of all patents that have benefited mankind the most were made by persons with no formal training in that field of technology, that makes a person think doesn't it?
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Re: Ultracaps tested for excess energy
« Reply #486 on: December 17, 2009, 07:05:40 AM »
AC:

You are thinking the wrong way.  Knowledge builds on top of knowledge.  People that push the envelope in their chosen endeavor always master the standard aspects of their craft first before moving beyond.  Picasso and Warhol did conventional paintings and commercial art before they branched out.  What's the point in making long strings of LEDs light if you don't know what's happening?

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Re: Ultracaps tested for excess energy
« Reply #487 on: December 17, 2009, 07:11:23 AM »
@Milehigh
No not really, if they wanted to understand the JT they could simply google "boost converters" or "self-oscillating boost converters" and have a wealth of information at their disposal from experts in that field of technology. However, it should be considered that expertise and invention are two very different things, the fathers of modern aviation were bicycle repairmen, the father of modern relativity was a patent clerk, in this respect we could say being an "expert" counts for very little in the evolution of technology. How can you be an expert in something that has yet to be invented?, it is just as likely that an unqualified person working in their garage will develop a new technology as any expert. One statistic stated 80% of all patents that have benefited mankind the most were made by persons with no formal training in that field of technology, that makes a person think doesn't it?
Regards
AC

AC:

Thanks for your post. Me, and probably most of the folks here have MH on ignore so we don't see what gibberish he may be posting.  I see where you quoted him and he says we don't know what is happening with the JT circuit.  Well, when he can figure out how to light a single led, maybe someone MIGHT listen to him.  He keeps saying stuff like this yet posts no facts to back up his wild claims.  I got tired of him continually showing his ignorance so...POOF...ignore toggle.

Thanks again,

Bill

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Re: Ultracaps tested for excess energy
« Reply #488 on: December 17, 2009, 07:28:31 AM »
Quoting Bill:

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LEDs, we have found, will light using high voltage in the correct frequency ranges. We do not need many mA's to do this.  (Tesla discovered this fact many, many years ago with gas filled tubes) If you load down the circuit with too many LEDs for that particular output voltage and/or the load forces the output frequency to go outside of the parameters required by the LEDs, they will get progressively dimmer and, at the saturation or tipping point, not light at all.

This is completely wrong, it's nonsense.  It has basically nothing to do with voltage and nothing to do with frequency.  It's all based on current and the persistence of human vision.

Enjoy your bliss.

MileHigh

PS:  I almost forgot.  Paul made his "cop out" posting a few pages back and he found nothing after a few days worth of work.  He won't be doing any more testing, high-powered bench expert that he is.  He showed that a JT circuit can never pass more energy out than in.  He also demonstrated that ultracapacitors act exactly the same as regular capacitors as shown in the graph where you see the linearly rising voltage with respect to time as he charges the capacitor with a constant current source.  His conclusions are correct even though he did not really state them.

allcanadian

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Re: Ultracaps tested for excess energy
« Reply #489 on: December 17, 2009, 08:08:49 AM »
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You are thinking the wrong way.  Knowledge builds on top of knowledge.  People that push the envelope in their chosen endeavor always master the standard aspects of their craft first before moving beyond.  Picasso and Warhol did conventional paintings and commercial art before they branched out.  What's the point in making long strings of LEDs light if you don't know what's happening?
You make some very good points as always and I would agree completely but I think there are exceptions to the rule. Have you heard the phrase--"he succeeded because he did not know any better", I have found this is applicable to the learning process in many ways. Gaining knowledge and learning is very important to me but I have found it can also be counter-productive to the evolution of knowledge--knowledge of the unknown. When we learn from others work a bias develops towards that way of thinking until this bias becomes second nature, that is one cannot know they are bias until they meet someone who is not. Gustav Le Bon wrote a very good paper on this subject called "The Crowd:a study of the popular mind". In essence I have found learning from others work can only take you so far and in many cases stifles true creativity. In many cases I have found success by doing exactly the opposite and thinking exactly the opposite to what one normally would. In this case the "wrong way" was in fact a better way of doing things--it was the right way, I hope you can appreciate the paradox here. This is one reason why I am not so quick to judge people here in the forum when I believe they could be misguided in their thoughts, maybe I am the one who is misguided and if I never give them the benefit of the doubt then I am the one who loses in the end. I am just thankful there are still places like this where a person can go and meet people who are nothing like me, I would not have it any other way. If as you say -- I am thinking the wrong way--, then that is not such a bad thing, it's all about perspective.
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Re: Ultracaps tested for excess energy
« Reply #490 on: December 17, 2009, 06:56:47 PM »
OK, I think I can do a good Wilby here....

So can I...

My key phrase is "logical fallacy", doesn't that sound great, I'll bet some idiots have to look that up in the dictionary because it's a really clever word. I pretend that I can hack and other clever stuff, most people believe it because they are fearful I guess. I like trying to make others feel fear, don't you? I get most of my kicks from undermining the work and thoughts of others, it makes me feel bigger. Also because my supreme battles are trashing the livelihood of this forums owner it makes me feel potent, I have POWER yay! But I will let you in on a secret; my insecurities have forced me to groom and conscript others to fight my supreme battles with me, it seems to be working and that makes me happy! Oh and have you seen my cool avatar, it's george bush giving the finger... how cool is that! YAY! Almost as cool as my handle WilbyInebriated, because it's way cool to drink and I feel really grown up doing that with my fake ID, I laserprinted it and it's way cool, I have to keep it out of the rain otherwise it runs but even so it's like way cool. Anyway that's me guys.

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Re: Ultracaps tested for excess energy
« Reply #491 on: December 18, 2009, 01:12:54 AM »
i see Mh is at it but i got himeblocked like the other 4 adn they were all mouth and no action . Check this out My Ou experiment has inproved drastically I am way above unity of the battery and bcap after 3.5 weeks getting close to a month charging My ultracap Mh and not a hint if power loss . I even put it in my camer a few days agi and tooks some pictureds with the flash on too. now its Juking evenafter taking picturs running solid withthe exact same battery . READ ALL ABOUT IT !! post 10829 http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=6123.10829

You guys are Foolish is you explain all that . I have it little closed minded DUDES

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Re: Ultracaps tested for excess energy
« Reply #492 on: December 18, 2009, 04:44:21 AM »
AC:

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Have you heard the phrase--"he succeeded because he did not know any better"

Your point is valid but with that strategy progress moves forward at a glacial pace and is mostly spinning wheels.  It's the needle-in-a-haystack approach, monkeys on typewriters, Shakespeare off in the distance.


Bill:

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Me, and probably most of the folks here have MH on ignore so we don't see what gibberish he may be posting.  I see where you quoted him and he says we don't know what is happening with the JT circuit.  Well, when he can figure out how to light a single led, maybe someone MIGHT listen to him.  He keeps saying stuff like this yet posts no facts to back up his wild claims.  I got tired of him continually showing his ignorance

Really?  OK, let's talk about lighting an LED.  Supposing that you have an LED and the spec sheet.  Let's just assume that it's an ordinary LED, nothing special.  You have a 4.5 volt battery source, and a 12-volt battery.  Tell me how you would light the LED.  No Joule Thief here because in the real world people don't use JTs to light up LEDs.

Go ahead Bill and enlighten me on how to light the LED from the two different battery sources because you claim I am too stupid to light one up.

Bring it on Bill, the challenge has been served up.


Albert:

I am glad that you are all excited about your project but many pages back I explained how it appears that your power consumption is very low and the setup could run for months before you notice the battery loosing voltage.

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after the Bcap reaches over  the unity of the battery all it takes is a one wire jump thru a 1.2 volt light bulb to recharge the battery

If you think when the Bcap voltage is greater than the battery voltage then that is some kind of over unity then that's not correct.  It's normal for the Bcap voltage to go higher than the supply battery voltage.

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the group who is helping will reap the benifits while the lazy neysayers will simply not

Sorry but I am not a "naysayer," I am a "truther."

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Re: Ultracaps tested for excess energy
« Reply #493 on: December 18, 2009, 06:29:54 AM »
No i aanit saying it I am showing IT . Your ass didnt even look !The battery is higher now 3 1/2 weeks later than when i started . DUH/???? You aint explained shi! Explain why the battery jumped up from 1.301 to 1.333 in almost a month and the bcap is over 2 volts still ??? ITs called OVERUNITY !! hell i took the batteries out several days ago and tooks several pictures with an amp hungry cannon digital camera and flashed a bunch of pictures and put the battery back in My machine and its higher now . YOU LOSE !!! loser

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Re: Ultracaps tested for excess energy
« Reply #494 on: December 18, 2009, 06:39:32 AM »
Albert:

I gave you the whole treatise on battery voltages 20 pages back.  A two millivolt increase in battery voltage could be explained by an increase in ambient temperature or simply that there was a more robust mosh pit dance going on inside the battery and more molecules per second were getting it on.  Just random chance.

Eventually your battery is going to go dead.

It's not about me being the loser, I am trying to turn you into a winner.

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