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gadgetmall

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Re: Ultracaps tested for excess energy
« Reply #210 on: December 08, 2009, 05:06:43 PM »
That's great that you use very common parts that most people have. I have everything you mention. My Ge diode is 1N34A. How would you describe the permeability of your toroid-- ultra high, high, medium, low, or ultra low, etc.?

BTW, anyone who wants a bookmark page of my data logger circuit w/ UC slow charge / fast discharge experiment can go here,

http://globalfreeenergy.info/2009/12/08/ultracapacitor-experiment/

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Paul
the toroid specs are unknow but are very common and the conclusion is they are good so i would sayhigh permeability low flux.. What i suspect in this simple circuit ,much like a bedini circuit is the tah out put from the ce junction  contains volts ,amps and High back spikes that this unique  bcap absorb readily and converts that static pulse in energy  unlike a battery that converts it to a static charge (ghost charge)

So simple . The Best Ideas are always simple and right under our noses !Math cant touch it !

Ps . In fact this is a bedini circuit in self oscilation mode . If you were to wind a bifialar coil afouns an iron core you could run a magnet wheel off it for free . A FACT . i have build over 25 Bedini energizers . This is the circuit . trigger will come from the  magnet passing the coil to fire the transistor . RPM can be as high as the transistor oscillates and friction allows  for your mag wheel . Then you can capture EXTRA energy By harnessing is with coils of coper wire without cores in effect  no lenz effect  noticeably .
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Re: Ultracaps tested for excess energy
« Reply #211 on: December 08, 2009, 05:12:37 PM »
I also have lots of NiMH AA, AAA, and 9V, batteries.

BTW, I recall your circuit had an LED as well, but your new one does not?

Paul

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Re: Ultracaps tested for excess energy
« Reply #212 on: December 08, 2009, 05:20:16 PM »
I also have lots of NiMH AA, AAA, and 9V, batteries.

BTW, I recall your circuit had an LED as well, but your new one does not?

Paul
USE a GOOD NI/MH . and i have LEDS IN ALL OF THEM . I use 1 watt leds off an unfiltered 22 turn Secondary . This is an option but makes a nice perpetual light source and my first design uses it so i stuck with it . I now have BIG 3.1/2 inch high perm toroids that fire CFL bulbs and use tip 3055 . It produced 4 times the voltage but it also draws 4 time the current . I am working on lowering the input  of that one . the Nice thing about the OU controller being make is it will accept any jt  transistor junction as long as its not extremely high output .  . It took me 15 minutes to wind the big torroid  and put that circuit together  to fire off a Fl tube . . its still running since yesterday off one of those aa ni/mh 2500 mah batteries . Energizer from wallmart  > i can wind and solder the one your making in less than 5 minutes without looking at a diagram because i have made hundreds of them . ranging from a tiny ferrite bead that fits on a transistor leg to a 6 inch toroid . The big ones take longer of course as some have ober 300 winds on the secondary .
Albert

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Re: Ultracaps tested for excess energy
« Reply #213 on: December 08, 2009, 05:32:27 PM »
i use a 68 pf disk cap across the resistor also .

Thanks for the info. That should be enough to build it, except one thing. In your older circuit I have written down 1000pF across the 2K resistor. That's changed to 68pF? The 2K resistor (now 2.2K) is the one that goes directly to the 2N2222 base.

Thanks,
Paul

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Re: Ultracaps tested for excess energy
« Reply #214 on: December 08, 2009, 05:37:11 PM »
yes gadget ...  math does ANSWER ALL ...

if the HU-MANS ever find the MATH OF CREATION ...  hummmmmm

369 ringggggggg 9 bells?  lol

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Re: Ultracaps tested for excess energy
« Reply #215 on: December 08, 2009, 05:38:25 PM »
Thanks for the info. That should be enough to build it, except one thing. In your older circuit I have written down 1000pF across the 2K resistor. That's changed to 68pF? The 2K resistor (now 2.2K) is the one that goes directly to the 2N2222 base.

Thanks,
Paul
There is no difference in my circuit using 2 or 2.2 k and you will have to play with the capacitors to find the one that matches your wire ,transistor and toroid . I have a lot of 2n2222a transistors and each one is different charistics . Also the toroid might be different as well . Weather 2 k or 2.2 the pot will adjust it out the same . Yes i change it cause i got a bag of 68 pf and a bag of 2.2k. As soon as i recieve a populated board i will update the one on my thread in the prize section to match what the final design looks like . for now its to save the spot ! It works as posted if you use the goldmine toroid

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Re: Ultracaps tested for excess energy
« Reply #216 on: December 08, 2009, 05:41:24 PM »
I don't have $ to even spend on S&H right now so I'll use one of my toroids here, but this might help someone else. Here's search results from goldmine on toroids. Is one of these your toroid?

Paul

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Re: Ultracaps tested for excess energy
« Reply #217 on: December 08, 2009, 05:44:22 PM »
I don't have $ to send on S&H, but this might help someone else. Here's search results from goldmine on toroids. Is one of these your toroid?

Paul
g6683 .. ISt has 500 of them waiting here  !! IST !! I need to get these to ya before Christmas please . Save some of that Green stuff money  :)
Hey if you order from gold mine dont forget to order your self a 5 dollar grab bag . they contain 3 ,4hundre dollars worth of electronics parts ,coils leds , speakers ,switches ,inductors ,connectors ,scrs, supercaps,micro motors and a whole lot more ! .its worth it

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Re: Ultracaps tested for excess energy
« Reply #218 on: December 08, 2009, 05:46:32 PM »
Hey Albert,

Have you tried toroids from https://www.amidoncorp.com ?  I've bought zillions of theirs in the past. Nothing special, but prices seemed good to me back int the days. As for special cores, I highly recommend Metglas & Hitachi, but not sure how they work out for cop>1. J.Naudin said his MEG was a lot more efficient with a Metglas core.

Paul

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Re: Ultracaps tested for excess energy
« Reply #219 on: December 08, 2009, 05:59:48 PM »
Hey Albert,

Have you tried toroids from https://www.amidoncorp.com ?  I've bought zillions of theirs in the past. Nothing special, but prices seemed good to me back int the days. As for special cores, I highly recommend Metglas & Hitachi, but not sure how they work out for cop>1. J.Naudin said his MEG was a lot more efficient with a Metglas core.

Paul
? nope .The Best ones as are determined for Jt research are from MICROMETALS  or magnatics www.mag-inc.com It has been determined thru 1000 pages  that the best torroids are high perm and low flux , At least this is what i am useing . Some toroids dont work at all for transfering to a secondary or starting a transistor in a jt . the BLUE ones SUCK . most out od an old power supply are good . I tor up 10 old computer power supplies and took all the  trorrois out of em . they have 3/4 to one in them also . they work nice. but 5 /1 dollars ones are considered by the Jt group STANDARD  . this is so we all can be on the same page when using toroids . Just like the Jeanna light torrid . I had some that looked like them with gray coating but they Dont work at all . I just got 4 free ones from mag-inc .and a few bigger 5 inch ones . you can order free samples every week up to 10 each  of 7 items(torroids)the biggest i got was the biggest they have 144 MM !!! all i have to do was pay shipping . :) They are very powerful toroids . I got SIX in the last free sample order for 11.95 total . these toroids would have cost hundreds of dollars as the price of the 144 mm is 99 dollars if you buy 158  minimum .The best i have ever wound . Light up cfl bulbs with less than 100 turns off the secondary and only 9 turns on a primary .. please check out joule thief 101 on the first page for an example of a good toroid and the winding by Xee2.
The BIG ring is for something VERY special IST HAS to share with me ! SUPER TPU

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Re: Ultracaps tested for excess energy
« Reply #220 on: December 08, 2009, 06:53:40 PM »
I don't have $ to even spend on S&H right now so I'll use one of my toroids here, but this might help someone else. Here's search results from goldmine on toroids. Is one of these your toroid?

Paul

Paul:

A lot of us have used the 5 for 1$ toroid on your chart there, the 5th one down from the top.  That is what we call the Goldmine toroid.  1" od x 1/2" id x 1/2" thick.

Bill

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Re: Ultracaps tested for excess energy
« Reply #221 on: December 08, 2009, 07:37:24 PM »
I emailed goldmine and they don't know the specs on that toroid, so I just grabbed one in the lab that has some good permeability, about the same size as you guys describe. Then I made the JT with 26 gauge magnet wire, 11 turns. It's probably more difficult to use magnet wire since there's higher chance of the wires coming too close, but after winding it I made sure they wires were as far spread apart as possible to minimize capacitance.

All the parts are on the table now, 1N34A, 2N2222A, a variable high frequency capacitor, and 2.2Kohm R, and 10Kohm pot. I'll use a AA NiMH 2000mAH battery to charge the 650F UC.

Sounds like fun. It should be built in about 10 minutes.

Paul

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Re: Ultracaps tested for excess energy
« Reply #222 on: December 08, 2009, 09:16:06 PM »
The JT is working, but I'll post in the JT thread. The joule thief 101 thread, right?

Paul

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Re: Ultracaps tested for excess energy
« Reply #223 on: December 08, 2009, 09:20:06 PM »
@PAUL

Put it in the jule thief one.

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Re: Ultracaps tested for excess energy
« Reply #224 on: December 08, 2009, 09:22:28 PM »
Paul:

Good going with your JT.  You can post in that one or the regular JT topic...your choice.  Also, check out the JT diagrams topic where we put many of the schematics for the circuits that came up in the JT topic.  There are also page numbers there so you can read the posts associated with the particular schematic you are interested in.

I began work on my Lidmotor "Jeanna's Light" replication last night.  It is going to take a while but it will be worth it.

Bill