Storing Cookies (See : http://ec.europa.eu/ipg/basics/legal/cookies/index_en.htm ) help us to bring you our services at overunity.com . If you use this website and our services you declare yourself okay with using cookies .More Infos here:
https://overunity.com/5553/privacy-policy/
If you do not agree with storing cookies, please LEAVE this website now. From the 25th of May 2018, every existing user has to accept the GDPR agreement at first login. If a user is unwilling to accept the GDPR, he should email us and request to erase his account. Many thanks for your understanding

User Menu

Custom Search

Author Topic: Ultracaps tested for excess energy  (Read 209769 times)

innovation_station

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 5134
Re: Ultracaps tested for excess energy
« Reply #135 on: December 06, 2009, 03:56:25 PM »
To Mile High,

Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha, ain't you funny, thanks for asking me about how long I have been associated in the electrical game, 50 odd years .
So you think you are on very safe ground here, it's gettin slippery for you.

In the late 50s my dad had a Phillips 5 valve multi band short wave radio, he gave it to me.
One day the main multi tap transformer began to smoke and get extremely hot, black tar was leaking, eventually it stopped working. I grabbed another transformer which was given to me and changed it over. The soldering iron was a 150watt burko, after about 3 hours, I turned the radio on and it worked, in fact I used it for some years after that.
How old was I, just a kid half way through primary school, and before you think to ask, no, I did it all on my own.

On a saturday morning for a couple of years (after I repaired my own radio) I decided to go the the local radio repair mans workshop, just to learn about repairing valve radios instead of going to the saturday matinee pictures. I was taught how to solder, I was the only kid around who could fix his own battery operated toys.

Then the transistor radios came on the scene, I learnt how to use a Analog Multimeter, it had the moving coil back in those days, I was shown how to use a Frequency Generator to line up IF coils, you adjust them from the top of the coil can and can access the bottom slug from inside the radio itself. I was shown how to use a Signal Generator to follow a signal through a valve radio circuit to fault find, in fact I could repair the soldering irons back in those days.
All this was before I left primary school.

Maybe you are too young to know about those above things.

I have been an apprentice at LES, rewinding single phase and 3 phase electric motors, repaired 240 and 315 volt generators, taught how to repair 240volt appliances, did an automotive electricians course also, Fault finding vehicle 12v and 24v electrical systems, repairing C35 and C40 Generators, CAV equipment, Nippon Denso equipment, Mitsubishi equipment, repaired (total overhauls) Alternators, Starter motors for cars and heavy equipment, repaired many house hold appliances. Made a electric 3 phase projectile cannon for a university.
 
My last employment was with Telecom Australia, working in PABX installations, worked also in the Customer Equipment Support Center (Research and Development), making printed circuit boards, drilling correct size holes in them and populating the PCBs, building modems, modifying telephones, make them do what they weren't not supposed to do, then test each one, worked on designing and building phone PMG stuff and test equipment and testing them.
I have built equipment that doesn't officially exist, and NO Im not telling you or anyone what it was.

I'm a Invalid pensioner now, filling my time helping worthy people like Paul, count yourself off the list MH.
You asked for my electrical experience, you got it.


So stick that in your pipe and smoke it.

jim

omg JIM ... SIR TRUELY AN HONOR SIR ...

I HAD NO IDEA...   i guess now i know ... lol 

best advice ... FLY AWAY MILE HIGH ... !!

wow! 

 i cant beleave!   i knew you are a wiz ... but ..  wow!

william ..   

@BILL and for bill...  yes we all get to live the dream ...  we already BUILT IT THIS WAY ..... ; )

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OmjjAPNJknQ&feature=related

heres my limo  ...  were all comeing HOME! ; )


H
« Last Edit: December 06, 2009, 04:23:32 PM by innovation_station »

PaulLowrance

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 2483
    • Global Free Energy
Re: Ultracaps tested for excess energy
« Reply #136 on: December 06, 2009, 04:50:59 PM »
MileHigh you are not going to see Paul posting his results if you keep this slander/bashing/belittling/disrespecting up. There's a limit to "healthy" skepticism and you have crossed it a while ago. You should better leave while you still have your pride or be banned like an idiot. Paul is doing what this forum is all about, if you don't agree then you are not welcome in this home.

Hi Broli,

It's no problem on my end because his posts do not show up since the other day I added his name to my forum ignore list. He kept ignore data that contradicted his own statements, but I drew the line when the guy didn't know about kTC noise. Someone who talks as big as MH should know about kTC noise, and how to derive it.

Anyhow, MH is harmless. My advice is to just ignore the poor guy. If he slanders or attacks people, then Stefan will take care of him.

Paul

gadgetmall

  • elite_member
  • Hero Member
  • ******
  • Posts: 1733
    • Alternative Energy
Re: Ultracaps tested for excess energy
« Reply #137 on: December 06, 2009, 06:02:48 PM »
Paul good Luck Brother . your test will show one way or the other and that shows you care and do have a dream unlike some people . I appreciate you and all this hard work just to prove to your self if i am right or wrong with a VALID experiment .

Guys i know the  circuit i made self runs manually and we are well on our way with working  circuitry using micros and Pics . SO get ready for the WORLDS FIRST PUBLIC SELF RUNNER using an ultracap you can build and own !! I would not be spending all this money nor the people in this group if they didn't see it so you can believe what you want naysayers  but its real .
You can follow the progress In Second Stage Joule Thief Circuits but Be warned We will not tolerate anything that is Not contributory to the project . All other post will Be DELETED ! PERIOD !
Gadget
« Last Edit: December 06, 2009, 06:26:58 PM by gadgetmall »

MileHigh

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 7600
Re: Ultracaps tested for excess energy
« Reply #138 on: December 06, 2009, 06:14:04 PM »
Jim:

With all of your experience how come you are not thinking the following:

1.  40,000 uF sounds like it is most likely an electrolytic capacitor.
2.  It doesn't make sense that Paul concludes that the cap looses 21% of its stored energy.
3.  There must be something amiss with Paul's measurement system.

In my opinion with your background that is what you should be thinking.

Broli:

I will express my opinion.  You should try to talk about the technical aspects of the discussion.

Message to Paul:

You got it wrong, dude, and I sincerely hope that somebody gets that message across to you.  You consistently try to leverage your knowledge way past your true capabilities.  For example, you kept on making reference to transmission line theory in the Rosemary Ainsley thread when that simply made no sense.  You only start talking about transmission lines when the wavelength of your signal is much much shorter than your interconnect medium.  This was not the case for the Ainsley setup but you were unaware.  You are looking at incorrect data from your first test and are not aware of it. 

To ignore me because I am not up on kTC for capacitors is ridiculous, especially when I said that was most likely something to do with thermal noise.  You put me on ignore because I am saying things that make you uncomfortable.  I suggest that you reread this thread from the beginning and consider all of the points that I made.   You are wasting your time with your cap energy measurement system and I have serious doubts that you will be able to pull it off based on reading your posts here and elsewhere.

MileHigh

Pirate88179

  • elite_member
  • Hero Member
  • ******
  • Posts: 8366
Re: Ultracaps tested for excess energy
« Reply #139 on: December 06, 2009, 08:08:26 PM »
I too have put MH on ignore.  If his personal abuse continues, I am confident that Stefan will step in.

@ Powercat:

Yes, you are correct.  I did not flip-flop on the Mylow affair.  I was warned by Stefan, and a few others, for continuing to express my negativity on his device.  They were correct in doing so.  I said my piece once, so folks knew where I stood (well, evidently ALMOST everyone) and I was wrong to continue to express it until the facts were in.  Others, like TK and I am sorry but I forget the rest, were busy proving how it could have been faked and still others were doing time sampling studies of the videos which ultimately proved the scam as a scam.  I, on the other hand, contributed nothing but my negative comments.  Well, I did enhance a few photos showing possible fishing line but it was the others who came up with the solid evidence.

Thank you for correcting MH's incorrect statement.

Bill

PaulLowrance

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 2483
    • Global Free Energy
Re: Ultracaps tested for excess energy
« Reply #140 on: December 06, 2009, 08:23:10 PM »
I'll start the UC tests in about 10 minutes. Although technically I know the UC is safe, but when I see it, I see a bomb! I tested one of my thickest clip leads, although it's also the longest at 3 feet, and it was 60mOhms. Most of that is probably contact resistance. If the UC is 300mV, then the current will be 5 amps. Even if that 5 amps micro welds the metal, and the total resistance is ~~ 20mOhm, the resistance is only 15 amps. Of course the wire will quickly heat up, resistance goes up, and current goes down. 15 amps wouldn't do anything do this UC.

Paul

MileHigh

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 7600
Re: Ultracaps tested for excess energy
« Reply #141 on: December 06, 2009, 08:26:36 PM »
Bill:

For what it's worth, I distinctly remember several times when Mylow came up with a new clip and you flipped, only to retract your statement when more data came in from other sources.

And you should stop your personal abuse of me, I am confident that Stefan will step in.

MileHigh

Pirate88179

  • elite_member
  • Hero Member
  • ******
  • Posts: 8366
Re: Ultracaps tested for excess energy
« Reply #142 on: December 06, 2009, 09:10:11 PM »
Boiling water in a 3kw kettle using ultracaps:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5RWaCE_SW8w&feature=related

This is great as it took only about 20 seconds to do this.


Bill

PaulLowrance

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 2483
    • Global Free Energy
Re: Ultracaps tested for excess energy
« Reply #143 on: December 06, 2009, 09:21:29 PM »
At 4 minutes into the test the UC was 454 farads.

At 9 minutes it said it's taken 0.1640 joules to charge the UC to 25.6mV. I did not time it to get the updated farads.

I'll periodically post the time stamp, total energy, and UC voltage.

Paul

Pirate88179

  • elite_member
  • Hero Member
  • ******
  • Posts: 8366
Re: Ultracaps tested for excess energy
« Reply #144 on: December 06, 2009, 09:25:22 PM »
At 4 minutes into the test the UC was 454 farads.

At 9 minutes it said it's taken 0.1640 joules to charge the UC to 25.6mV. I did not time it to get the updated farads.

I'll periodically post the time stamp, total energy, and UC voltage.

Paul

Excellent Paul.  I am glad you are carrying on with your testing here.  No matter what the outcome, this is still exciting.  I appreciate your taking the time and effort to do this, and I know many others do as well.

Bill

gadgetmall

  • elite_member
  • Hero Member
  • ******
  • Posts: 1733
    • Alternative Energy
Re: Ultracaps tested for excess energy
« Reply #145 on: December 06, 2009, 09:40:02 PM »
How about an aa battery that recharges ITSELF using Super capacitor  technology !
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x92qqJ5yQnM

                        Honda's New ULTRACAPACITOR  CAR

http://world.honda.com/FuelCell/FCX/ultracapacitor/

PaulLowrance

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 2483
    • Global Free Energy
Re: Ultracaps tested for excess energy
« Reply #146 on: December 06, 2009, 10:16:06 PM »
Hi,

No problem. Buying the UC was well worth it regardless, and could come in handy for other projects, especially the data logger.  :)

At 30 minutes the total energy was 1.629 joules, UC voltage was 78.4mV.

At 60 minutes the total energy was 6.268 joules, UC voltage was 152.3mV.
 
Paul

MileHigh

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 7600
Re: Ultracaps tested for excess energy
« Reply #147 on: December 06, 2009, 10:16:50 PM »
Gadget:

The great thing about using ultracapacitors in a vehicle is the regenerative braking.  Instead of turning all of the energy in the moving vehicle into heat in the brake pads it is transferred into the ultracapacitors.  The same thing for rolling down a hill, you can use the gravitational potential energy and put it into the ultracapacitors instead of turning it into heat.

When you brake the car using a generator to charge an ultracapacitor bank you are taking the energy in a mechanical capacitor (the moving car) and transferring it into an electrical capacitor.

The AA battery that recharges itself is not real, just some person's musings in the game Half Life.

MileHigh

PaulLowrance

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 2483
    • Global Free Energy
Re: Ultracaps tested for excess energy
« Reply #148 on: December 06, 2009, 10:25:43 PM »
BTW, if it's not COP>1, then no need for alarm. If it is COP>1, then please quickly spread the word just to be certain this information is not squashed!

Regards,
Paul

broli

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 2245
Re: Ultracaps tested for excess energy
« Reply #149 on: December 06, 2009, 10:29:45 PM »
you are taking the energy in a mechanical capacitor (the moving car) and transferring it into an electrical capacitor.

Thanks captain obvious for your obvious rescue.

@Paul: I wouldn't worry about that. I would worry more about being able to get these ucaps.