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Offline Cap-Z-ro

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Re: Ultracaps tested for excess energy
« Reply #555 on: December 20, 2009, 03:49:14 AM »

*ships Paul another dead horse, riding crop - adds crying towel*


Offline Groundloop

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Re: Ultracaps tested for excess energy
« Reply #556 on: December 20, 2009, 04:37:37 AM »
@Kator01,

Thank you for providing the Youtube links.

Alex.

Offline MileHigh

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Re: Ultracaps tested for excess energy
« Reply #557 on: December 20, 2009, 11:12:51 AM »
Albert:

Apology accepted.

Let me give you my spin on free energy for domestic use.  The desire is to get your house off the grid and not significantly change your domestic lifestyle.

The following scenario is not necessarily cost-effective right now, but the trend line is always in its favour and it's a very possible scenario for sometime in the not too distant future.

Take a block in a typical suburban housing development where ten houses are on lots with their backyards all common.  Each house has an insulated cistern in the basement filled with thousands of gallons of water.  Over the course of the summer, solar heat collectors on the roof slowly heat up the water in the cistern.  Water can store a lot of heat and in the wintertime, you tap back into that heat to heat your house.

Each house will also have a large solar panel array.  In the center of the backyards, there is a "power house" that is buried underground that stores the energy collected by the solar panels on all ten houses.  This "power house" will supply the ten houses with their solar-derived electricity and hopefully provide enough electricity so that none of the people on the block have to get power from the grid.

Inside the power house (more like a power bunker) there is a flywheel connected to a motor-generator.  The flywheel is made of carbon composite materials so that it can spin at a very high RPM without eventually breaking apart.  The flywheel is also sitting inside a vacuum chamber to reduce air friction to a minimum.  There are associated electronics systems (inverters, etc) to convert the flywheel energy into conventional mains power to feed each of the ten houses.

So during the day the solar panels on the roofs of the ten houses pump their energy into the flywheel in the power house and the RPM slowly starts to climb.  At night time when people are consuming power the flywheel RPM slowly starts to decrease.  It would be easy to monitor the power consumption of each house to share the available "free" power in a fair manner.  If the flywheel drops below a certain RPM, then you have to draw from the grid to get your power.  If every day you have a net excess of stored flywheel energy, then you could sell it and pump it back into the grid.

That's how I think domestic "free energy" will eventually come about.  I am talking about real AC mains power, just like we are used to.  It is not cost effective right now, but eventually the trend lines will get to the point where it will be.  It is reasonable for ten new home buyers to split the cost of the communal "power house" and we will push our luck and assume that in ten years the cost of solar panels will have dropped ten-fold.  The carbon composite flywheel spinning in a near vacuum solar energy storage system would also drop in cost if you were to build it in volume.

It's a plausible scenario for the not too distant future.

MileHigh

Offline Groundloop

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Re: Ultracaps tested for excess energy
« Reply #558 on: December 20, 2009, 12:12:45 PM »
@MileHigh,

Here is my prediction for power generation in a not so distance future.

Humans will soon discover that "The Laws of Thermodynamics" are flawed and that
energy can be created and destroyed at will. Over unity systems will power everything
from mobile phones to airplanes. We will not need the electric grid anymore and there
will be no reason to fight for energy resources. The "Conservation of energy laws" will be
put onto display in museums for the amusement of coming generations.

THAT is how I see the future and the only way to get there is by doing research. NO
mainstream science will ever do that research. So it it up to us "nut cases", basement
researchers and other good people to find a solution to the energy needs of this world.

And that is THE only reason why I use my time and money on this type of research.

Alex.

Offline ramset

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Re: Ultracaps tested for excess energy
« Reply #559 on: December 20, 2009, 12:44:48 PM »
Alex
I believe you and Tesla have the same dream [vision].

Chet
« Last Edit: December 20, 2009, 01:11:39 PM by ramset »

Offline innovation_station

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Re: Ultracaps tested for excess energy
« Reply #560 on: December 20, 2009, 02:53:48 PM »
incase you missed it ..

lol


here is my latest stupid simple simply huge output

im building a modulator today ...

this has 2 outputs...  1 recharges driveing supply ...

like  jt standard ...  other charges ubc... 

this is not anyones but mine ..  it is retated simple

1 TRANSISTOR..

william

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r5FmO55sBAU

1 DIODE

Offline Groundloop

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Re: Ultracaps tested for excess energy
« Reply #561 on: December 20, 2009, 03:02:57 PM »
@innovation_station,

Great. Post a circuit drawing with part numbers here and I will replicate it.

Alex.

Offline innovation_station

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Re: Ultracaps tested for excess energy
« Reply #562 on: December 20, 2009, 03:36:45 PM »
i have 3 of thease exact same transformers ... 


im selling 2 units ..

100 bucks each  .. i have only the 3 transformers ..

i need to pay my shipping for my 1000 bucks i spent on materials ..

i hope to sell 2 units .. to cover the cost and maybe some one wants to test it ...  : )

ist!

Offline PaulLowrance

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Re: Ultracaps tested for excess energy
« Reply #563 on: December 20, 2009, 03:48:04 PM »
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=6123.msg216127#msg216127
"If nobody can't get the joule thief to self-run, then it would nice for you to do some efficiency tests. So far the record is ~ 55% efficient while charging an ultracap. I'm sure that could easily be topped with a different wound core, different transistor, etc. Dare I say that the Joule Thief could go as high as 90% efficiency?  ;D "

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Re: Ultracaps tested for excess energy
« Reply #564 on: December 20, 2009, 04:39:40 PM »
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=6123.msg216127#msg216127
"If nobody can't get the joule thief to self-run, then it would nice for you to do some efficiency tests. So far the record is ~ 55% efficient while charging an ultracap. I'm sure that could easily be topped with a different wound core, different transistor, etc. Dare I say that the Joule Thief could go as high as 90% efficiency?  ;D "

im not gonna cut you down on this paul  cuz i did ask gadget to do the simple basic jt ... 

this is what you tested ...

thank you ..

w815H

i advanced it ... i split the out put ... and pulsed it ...  jt pulses ..  half go to recharge to source cap  other to out put cap  i will make a flip flop er ... to control it and induce this effect ...

as showen in my videos ......   

since i dont have ubc caps cuz i cant afford to pay the shipping ... yet ... lol   i will use my old cap pac or a 12v .5f cap to charge a 12vdc gel cell battery ... and recharge the source ... 

JUST CUZ I CAN ....... ; )


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Re: Ultracaps tested for excess energy
« Reply #565 on: December 20, 2009, 10:17:54 PM »
All,

Today I started to test my version JT against the Boost Capacitor.
Attached is the circuit drawing of my setup.

The test so far:

BCAP CHARGE TEST 01

BCAP 650 Farad start voltage 0,653 Volt.
Will discharge bcap down to 0,653 when reached 2,600 Volt
and will repeat this test until AA battery is discharged.

Joule = 1/2 * Farad * (Volt*Volt)
Watt_Hour = Joule / 3600

AA Battery "Sunrise 1600mA" rest voltage 1,347 Volt.
AA battery maximum output = 2,1552 Watt_Hour.

Date:         Time:   BCAP Volt:   AA Volt:   Remarks:

20.12.2009 1900     0,653         1,347       Running without LED(s)
                1905     0,744         1,318       Changed battery in voltmeter 2.     
                1910     0,793         1,322       
                1915     0,816         1,318       Fluctuate between 1,326 and 1,318
                1930     0,865         1,328       Steady voltage now.
                1945     0,897         1,325
                2000     0,918         1,325
                2100     0,964         1,324
                2200     0,984         1,323
                2215     0,987         1,323
                2300     0,997         1,322
                2315     1,000         1,322

21.12.2009 0000     1,007         1,321       Day 2
                0110     1,015         1,320
                0200     1,021         1,319
                0300     1,026         1,318       Temperature in room down 2 degrees Celsius.
                0400     1,029         1,317
                0800     1,040         1,310
                0930     1,044         1,311       Temperature in room up 2 degrees Celsius.
                1000                                    Test terminated.

EDIT - I have terminated this test for now. It is taking WAY to long to charge that cap.

Regards,
Alex.
« Last Edit: December 21, 2009, 09:56:55 AM by Groundloop »

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Re: Ultracaps tested for excess energy
« Reply #566 on: December 20, 2009, 11:24:46 PM »
...
NO mainstream science will ever do that research
because … ?

If you are going to try filling in the dots in good fair, you’ll see the original statement does not hold water.
What are Tokamak (TFTR), ITER and even LHC (to mention just few of them) if not free energy research installations?!

Mainstream science is THE ONLY one doing that kind of research (real& rigorous research, I mean). Science by itself will amend the laws of thermodynamics when/if the time will come; so far it is not necessary and it looks very unlikely to be the case in the foreseeable future. Also, the fact that the law of conservation of energy holds true is not the fault of mainstream, less of the legit scientists making it.

Rest assured that most of the scientists are persons of great vision and very passionate, who will push the limit of knowledge beyond immediate interests (money, power, politics etc). If free energy is attainable, you’ll read papers about it.

Cheers,
Tinu

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Re: Ultracaps tested for excess energy
« Reply #567 on: December 21, 2009, 12:35:31 AM »
@tinu,

I'm a firm believer of free speech.
I have read your comments, have a nice day.

Alex.

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Re: Ultracaps tested for excess energy
« Reply #568 on: December 21, 2009, 08:04:04 AM »
Alex:

A few comments about your circuit:

Since one side of L3 is not connected to anything, L3 is not really part of the circuit.  Is it supposed to be doing something?

I don't know what your unit Watt/h is.  Watts per hour is a unit that doesn't make sense since a Watt is a Joule per second; Joule/s.  Perhaps you mean W*h, watt-hours, which are Joules?

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AA Battery "Sunrise 1600mA" rest voltage 1,347 Volt.
AA battery maximum output = 2,1552 Watt/h.

What is the 21,522 number?

If you assume 1600 mAh (milliamp-hours) and keep it simple and assume 1.5 volts, then the Joules in the battery is:

Battery Joules = 1.6 x 1.5 x 3600 = 8640 Joules.

For your test you can see that the battery voltage is not changing.  The very very small changes in the battery voltage are telling you that the battery is still healthy and you can simply ignore them.   You can expect the battery voltage to remain healthy around 1.3 volts for perhaps 90% or more of its life.

When you get the the point where you decide the ultracap is full, it will be interesting if you can make some measurements of the battery recharge process.  Since you know your ultracap starting and ending voltages for the recharging process, you can make an estimate of where the Joules of energy go when you do the recharge.

I am assuming that you are putting a resistor between the ultracap and the battery when you do the recharging step.   Therefore you know that the energy from the ultracapacitor will go to three places:  1) energy dissipated as heat in the resistor, 2) energy dissipated as heat inside the battery, and 3) energy that gets stored as chemical energy in the battery to be reused later.

Good luck with your testing.

MileHigh

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Re: Ultracaps tested for excess energy
« Reply #569 on: December 21, 2009, 09:16:06 AM »
@MileHigh,

Thank you for taking time to read about my bcap testing.

The not connected (NC) end of L3 will be used as a safety method to prevent over charging
of the bcap. Later on I will test what will happen if I connect that NC to the plus of the bcap.

What I think will happen is that when the bcap reach a voltage of batteryvoltage - diodedrop
then a feed back to AA battery will happen and the voltage in the bcap will stop going up,
thus preventing a overcharged bcap.

The other reason for the open ended L3 connected this way is that I found (by testing) that
the output voltage did go from 27 volt to 54 volt when connected this way. I also found that
the JT input usage dropped to almost 1/10 of the input usage than without that connection.
There are some stray capacitance between the windings making the NC a not NC, if you know
what I mean.

My Watt/h is the same as Watt per. Hour. It is just my way of saying Joules / 3600
The Joules in my AA battery at start-up was approx. 2 point 1552 Watt/h.
(2.1552 W/h A little over 2 Watt per. hour. We use comma in Norway not point.)

I'm well aware of the discharge curve of a NiMeH battery. The reason for plotting the AA
voltage is so that I can make a discharge curve in Excel later on to see what discharge curve
I got in this test compared to a standard discharge curve.

I was planning to run this test to the end of the charge in the AA, but this will take forever to do,
and I don't like this test to run unattended, so I will stop this test today. The other reason
to stop this test is that I do not have the same JT as Gadgetmall did use. I will build a better
replica later on when I test the automated feed back circuit I will be building.

I'm also thinking of using my new data sampler and relay board to automate the process of
testing this circuit. This will require new firmware in the data sampler and I don't know if I
have the time to do all this work right now.

I can see that this forum has over 21000 members. Imagine if all of them did actual research
onto something?

Regards,
Alex.