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fritznien

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Re: Ultracaps tested for excess energy
« Reply #120 on: December 05, 2009, 05:39:55 AM »
The bit about the Magic powder is real . A man Grew his chopped off finger above the knuckle completely back , finger  nail and all . From his Scientist Brothers powder made from Pig intestines/bladder . . Believe it or not . http://www.boingboing.net/2008/03/24/pig-bladder-powder-r.html
http://multi-medium.net/2008/03/31/the-magic-of-pig-bladder-powder

Some things cannot be explained like >1 that can be SEEN and are POTENTIAL science :
Lee Spievak cut his finger off and then regrew it using pixie dust.

    "I put my finger in," Mr. Spievak says, pointing towards the propeller of a model airplane, "and that's when I sliced my finger off."

Wow, Lee, wow. Reminds me of the time I stuck my tongue in an oscillating fan.

    Today though, you wouldn't know it. Mr Spievak, who is 69 years old, shows off his finger, and it's all there, tissue, nerves, nail, skin, even his finger print. How? Well that's the truly remarkable part. It wasn't a transplant. Mr Spievak re-grew his finger tip. He used a powder - or pixie dust as he sometimes refers to it while telling his story. Mr Speivak's brother Alan - who was working in the field of regenerative medicine - sent him the powder.

The pixie dust, or more appropriately "pigsy dust", is actually made by scraping the cells from the inside of a pig's bladder, treating them with acid, and turning them into a powder. In addition to smelling like urine, the magical substance can regrow fingers lost in the propellers of model airplanes. Scientists hope that within 10 years we will be able to regrow arms and legs. Cool, scientists, but let's think outside the box for a second.

So whats this got to do with Pauls Ultracapacitor thread ....OPEN MINDEDNESS !!
don't be so open minded your brain falls out. a quick google pulls up be for and after pics, he lost just the tip,not the finger not the nail.

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Re: Ultracaps tested for excess energy
« Reply #121 on: December 05, 2009, 09:18:43 AM »
don't be so open minded your brain falls out. a quick google pulls up be for and after pics, he lost just the tip,not the finger not the nail.
Yes it was ,I saw him on TV Unexplained mysteries  . It was cut OFF to the joint !! besides what difference does it make . the dam thing grew Back .. gEEZ

http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=3805459n

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Re: Ultracaps tested for excess energy
« Reply #122 on: December 05, 2009, 01:07:22 PM »
@ Bill,

Jim:

It depends.  Glass and some plastics shield long wave UV but it is the short wave UV that does the damage.  (I hope I don't have this backwards...I don't think so)  I don't know of anything that will shield the short waves and still allow visual monitoring except maybe by filming with a video camera that has "night vision" and playing it back thereby preserving your eyes.

As an aside, in the PI business we use those hand held spot lights of like 2 million candlepower (Q-beam, etc) to which we add an IR filter.  Then we can shoot on night scope and paint the area we want to video up to about 600 feet away. (It shows up like shooting in broad day light)
I know UV and IR are different but, for some reason, I can also see UV on my camera on this setting as well.

Bill
Wow, 600 feet of area litup and it carnt be seen by the eyes, that I would love to actually see happen.

This UV business, I better keep the thing off until I find out more about it, seems safer that way,
Thanks Bill.

jim

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Re: Ultracaps tested for excess energy
« Reply #123 on: December 05, 2009, 01:37:51 PM »
@ Paul,

Hi man, after a busy day I tuned in here for a good read, but had a belly roll of laughter instead he he.

Anyway, lets not forget the real reason for this thread, it's to check out Gadgets claim that these SC are pritty smart doovas.

So Paul, how did your day go, hows the software proceeding, and what success have you had with it today?




@ tishatang,
Sorry my friend, I had to fly into town, something more urgent came up, the cow went dry and I don't like just black tea, then the daughters PC picked up a nasty trojan horse so I brought her PC back home to give it the once over.

@Bill,
Thanks for the email mate, TA

@ Gadget,
If MH sits on a ordinary cap, it'l shock him and instant, if he sits on a SC, he will fry for hours, could hurt a lot more.

jim


 

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Re: Ultracaps tested for excess energy
« Reply #124 on: December 06, 2009, 02:05:15 AM »
@ Paul,

Hi man, after a busy day I tuned in here for a good read, but had a belly roll of laughter instead he he.

Anyway, lets not forget the real reason for this thread, it's to check out Gadgets claim that these SC are pritty smart doovas.

So Paul, how did your day go, hows the software proceeding, and what success have you had with it today?

Hi Jim,

There was a little bit of joy today. Everything's going great so far. Good grief knock on some wood somewhere. I spent my spare time today doing some preliminary tests on a 40000 uF capacitor to make sure it's all working. I've added a new little software feature that shows the continuous total energy, live. So I can see how it's going as the experiment progresses without the need to analyze the data logger files after the experiment. Also there's two new custom buttons, Charge, and Discharge. Anyhow, it took 0.0019 joules (1.9mJ) to charge the 40000uF cap to 0.297 volts, and the total energy that discharged from the capacitor was 0.0015   joules (1.5mJ). For this particular setup that makes the 40000uF cap 79% efficient. Note, this has nothing to do with how efficient the circuit is, but how efficient the capacitor itself is. There was about a minute delay between charging and discharging the capacitor. So the cap leaked a bit, but that probably wouldn't make too much difference.

It's the weekend, but I shouldn't have too many other things to do tomorrow. So lets hope Sunday is the big UC day. After the UC measurements I'll draw nice pretty circuit diagrams of everything, which consists of the data logger circuit, the dual op-amp circuit, and the mosfet current source. I'm not sure where to post the software .exe file, and the source code.

Regards,
Paul

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Re: Ultracaps tested for excess energy
« Reply #125 on: December 06, 2009, 02:21:51 AM »
I'm not sure where to post the software .exe file, and the source code.

Regards,
Paul

Just put it all in a rar or zip file and attach it to your post. You can do the same on your blog by uploading it to a (or several) free file hosting websites like:

http://www.filesavr.com/
http://www.filedropper.com/

Keep up the good job. This circuit and software will definitely be handy for the free energy tinkerer. Be sure to include an open source and copyright disclaimer.

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Re: Ultracaps tested for excess energy
« Reply #126 on: December 06, 2009, 03:11:39 AM »
@ Paul,

That's very good news on your progress with the software, excellent work.

broli has a point there, those would be good sites to post the software and maybe a readme file to explain the installation and operation of the software with a disclaimer too.

I have a suggestion for you Paul.
Get a copy of Install Creator, a very good Install making ZIP file utility, it is cheep, (free) from www.clickteam.com
It can create a single Install and a uninstall file if needed by the user.

The only item they didn't explain in their build, is you need to make a couple of icons and put them somewhere you can access them during the ZIP build.
An icon for the desktop, one for original install and one for removal, it helps a lot.

I use my mob phone camera to make the orig ipg then convert it to a manageable icon size. 

Anyway if you want send me the .EXE via my email address, and I will make a example install zip for you and return it to you for your evaluation.

If you have already the means to do the above, that's OK by me also.


jim
 
 
 

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Re: Ultracaps tested for excess energy
« Reply #127 on: December 06, 2009, 06:41:44 AM »
Paul:

Well, your data is telling you that your test setup for testing that capacitor value is very inaccurate.  I suppose that you are testing an electrolytic capacitor?  You make the intelligent assumption that the electrolytic capacitor is probably at least 99.9% efficient.  It could be much much better that that.  I don't know because this type of measurement almost never comes up in real life.  What you do know for sure is that there is no logical reason for the 40000 uF cap to loose that much energy as heat.  The leads of the capacitor and the capacitor plates are all metal, an excellent conductor that will not really dissipate much energy resistively at all.  It simply doesn't make sense.  Therefore the logical conclusion is that your test setup is extremely inaccurate to the tune of +/-20%.

I suggest that you go back to the drawing board before you start making any measurements on ultracapacitors.

I assume that somebody will send Paul a message because he may have put me on his ignore list.

Just think, if Paul's measurement error was on the positive side, you would all be doing back-flips thinking that Paul had "discovered" free energy with ultracapacitors.

Of course, in this thread I have made an overwhelming case that ultracapacitors are essentially the same as ordinary capacitors with a whole series of technical points and two references from the web.  I don't think that any "believers" out there have made a single comment or acknowledgment of these facts.

This whole thread is a farce.

MileHigh
« Last Edit: December 06, 2009, 07:31:32 AM by MileHigh »

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Re: Ultracaps tested for excess energy
« Reply #128 on: December 06, 2009, 08:45:44 AM »
@ Milehigh,

Your pulling our chain's again you big turkey. :D

You say you "suppose" you are testing an electrolytic capacitor, in other words, all your diatribe is "supposition" or made up, pretending its accurate. :D

Please show us all your math where you get the idea that the cap Paul tested is 99.9% efficient, come on, you stated a fact, back this one up with proof.
You are espousing all these calculations with capacitors over all the above posts, you are trying to impress us all, so come on charlie brown, prove to us all you don't have a lost sheep in the top paddock. :-*

Paul in his post addressed to "me" stated a figure of 79% even a 3rd grade primary school kid can see that 79% is exactly 79%, nothing less or more.
 
This appears on the 4Th line down, 10Th across = 79% anyone who reads this can see you made a mistake, A WHOPPER at that tooooooo. ;D

You state it is 99.9%, sooooooo just how can you come at this figure (wheres the missing 21% in your calculations?  (He musta added it in hisself)) when you weren't even present to the actual tester himself, while the test was done HUH, come on MileHigh, pull the other one it's got bells on it. :o

Math according to Milehigh is     1+1=5   2+6=13  4+4= 23             now get this everyone 79% = 99.9% Bahhhha Ha Ha

You want Paul to go back to the drawing board, I suggest you go back to school chum. :(
You say the whole thread is a farce. :D

OK Mile high, the answer is so clear to me and others, clear off, pack you bag and leave, very simple. :-*

jim





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Re: Ultracaps tested for excess energy
« Reply #129 on: December 06, 2009, 09:34:20 AM »
Hey there Jim:

Your posting just conforms what a farce this thread is.

How much do you know about electronics?  How many years of experience?  The last I heard all of the companies that made capacitors that lost 20% of their energy in a single charge-discharge cycle went bankrupt a long time ago.

If you had any brains in your head you would read what I posted and try to absorb it and understand it.  Instead, you do a big song and dance number about 79% vs. 99.9% like a mischievous schoolboy.

79% means that Paul has got it wrong big time.  Remember that he was unaware about the digital voltage step for his A/D converter?  It wouldn't surprise me if he doesn't have enough precision to record the small voltage increases on the cap step by step, and he is getting cumulative errors.  I am not really sure what he is doing but one thing for sure, he did not think to question his own data, a huge mistake.  Nor would I be surprised if his algorithm is flawed.

You really have to think when you work with electronics otherwise you succumb to the "garbage in - garbage out" phenomenon.

And I want YOU to stop telling me to go away.  Instead, why don't you look up a data sheet for an electrolytic capacitor and see if you can find some sort of spec that relates to energy loss in the cap.  You might not even find one because it's an issue that doesn't really come up that often.

If this farce of a thread does come to its proper conclusion then you and Bill will feel like fools for badgering me all the time.  I tried to give you some good solid information and all that you could do was act like argumentative brats and not budge an inch from your limited perspectives that are skewed by your lust for the dream of free energy.

MileHigh

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Re: Ultracaps tested for excess energy
« Reply #130 on: December 06, 2009, 10:06:05 AM »
MH:

Your posting reveals what a farce YOU are.  WE are living the dream, what are YOU doing? 

Oh, I forgot, you have been busy getting your posts removed from the Rosemary Ainslie topic by the Moderator and banned from further posting there.  Guess they are tired of your "help" too.


Bill

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« Reply #131 on: December 06, 2009, 11:07:12 AM »
Bill:

How many times did you flip-flop on the Mylow affair?   Perhaps about half a dozen?  I knew from the very beginning of the saga that it was a total fake and I never had any doubt for a second.  Why do you believe that ultracapacitors could be a source of free energy?  You are too susceptible.

Mark my words, everything that I have said in this thread is true, and I am trying to help you understand.

Look at Gadget, for the first week he was shouting "energy source of 3000 amps!" when that data is just the short-circuit current from the spec sheet for the ultracapacitor!  Sometimes things get beyond ridiculous.  Just like you ignoring every point I make about capacitor technology and "doing a Mylow flip" and hoping that the dream will come true.  Why don't you just learn about capacitors instead?

I don't harass you in your JT threads, so why are you harassing me?  I can see you trying to turn that around and claim I am harassing this thread.  Nobody owns this thread, thank God, and I am making solid technical arguments and all that you guys can do is puff out your chests and make a big stink.  It is truly ridiculous.

From what I have read, your JT threads are about 50% reasonably accurate information, 25% informed or uninformed speculation with a reasonable technical basis, and 25% wild and ridiculous nonsense.  You don't see me going after you or anyone else on those threads.  I can see that you are all having fun.  Again, the only reason there was a drop-in was because Gadget made his claim and then locked that thread and tried to run away.

I think back a few days ago when you were harassing me and I asked you what did you have to state about the subject matter at hand in this thread.  Your response was that you wanted me to shut up.  That's your comment about the technical aspects of this thread, to tell me to shut up?  When are you going to stop this?  You tell me I have no clue what I am talking about and then when I take a peek in a JT thread there you are all unsure about yourself asking the most basic of questions about electronics making it very clear to others in the thread that you are unsure about your statements.  I don't buy your claim about knowing all of the points about capacitors that I rattled off from the top of my head and I don't give a shit that you contributed to a Mars probe.  I want this bullshit to STOP.

You want to discuss the technical points about ultracapacitors and Paul's test data and testing method then fine.  If not, then stop harassing me.  You are freaking losing it, be a man.  Have the guts to discuss the technical issues or have the guts to say that you don't know something.  Stop acting like a baby and grow up.

MileHigh

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Re: Ultracaps tested for excess energy
« Reply #132 on: December 06, 2009, 11:34:30 AM »
To Mile High,

Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha, ain't you funny, thanks for asking me about how long I have been associated in the electrical game, 50 odd years .
So you think you are on very safe ground here, it's gettin slippery for you.

In the late 50s my dad had a Phillips 5 valve multi band short wave radio, he gave it to me.
One day the main multi tap transformer began to smoke and get extremely hot, black tar was leaking, eventually it stopped working. I grabbed another transformer which was given to me and changed it over. The soldering iron was a 150watt burko, after about 3 hours, I turned the radio on and it worked, in fact I used it for some years after that.
How old was I, just a kid half way through primary school, and before you think to ask, no, I did it all on my own.

On a saturday morning for a couple of years (after I repaired my own radio) I decided to go the the local radio repair mans workshop, just to learn about repairing valve radios instead of going to the saturday matinee pictures. I was taught how to solder, I was the only kid around who could fix his own battery operated toys.

Then the transistor radios came on the scene, I learnt how to use a Analog Multimeter, it had the moving coil back in those days, I was shown how to use a Frequency Generator to line up IF coils, you adjust them from the top of the coil can and can access the bottom slug from inside the radio itself. I was shown how to use a Signal Generator to follow a signal through a valve radio circuit to fault find, in fact I could repair the soldering irons back in those days.
All this was before I left primary school.

Maybe you are too young to know about those above things.

I have been an apprentice at LES, rewinding single phase and 3 phase electric motors, repaired 240 and 315 volt generators, taught how to repair 240volt appliances, did an automotive electricians course also, Fault finding vehicle 12v and 24v electrical systems, repairing C35 and C40 Generators, CAV equipment, Nippon Denso equipment, Mitsubishi equipment, repaired (total overhauls) Alternators, Starter motors for cars and heavy equipment, repaired many house hold appliances. Made a electric 3 phase projectile cannon for a university.
 
My last employment was with Telecom Australia, working in PABX installations, worked also in the Customer Equipment Support Center (Research and Development), making printed circuit boards, drilling correct size holes in them and populating the PCBs, building modems, modifying telephones, make them do what they weren't not supposed to do, then test each one, worked on designing and building phone PMG stuff and test equipment and testing them.
I have built equipment that doesn't officially exist, and NO Im not telling you or anyone what it was.

I'm a Invalid pensioner now, filling my time helping worthy people like Paul, count yourself off the list MH.
You asked for my electrical experience, you got it.


So stick that in your pipe and smoke it.

jim

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Re: Ultracaps tested for excess energy
« Reply #133 on: December 06, 2009, 03:15:54 PM »
Bill:

How many times did you flip-flop on the Mylow affair?   Perhaps about half a dozen?  I knew from the very beginning of the saga that it was a total fake and I never had any doubt for a second.  Why do you believe that ultracapacitors could be a source of free energy?  You are too susceptible.


MileHigh

@MH
That is an interesting statement, as you only join this forum on August 6, 2009.
I remember Bill was very negative about Mylow,I think he was warned about his negativity.
Anyway interesting
cat

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Re: Ultracaps tested for excess energy
« Reply #134 on: December 06, 2009, 03:37:59 PM »
MileHigh you are not going to see Paul posting his results if you keep this slander/bashing/belittling/disrespecting up. There's a limit to "healthy" skepticism and you have crossed it a while ago. You should better leave while you still have your pride or be banned like an idiot. Paul is doing what this forum is all about, if you don't agree then you are not welcome in this home.