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PaulLowrance

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Re: Global Warming
« Reply #60 on: December 03, 2009, 03:27:53 PM »
So far nobody has posted any references to peer reviewed data that shows global warming is not true.

I agree with the science community that global warming is real. Over the decades I've seen the video footage of various glaciers, as they slowly retreat and thin over the decades.

The green movement helps reduce global warming. Spending money on the green movement produces jobs, and for a great cause. IMO the only legit reason to oppose global warming is for the betterment of the oil companies. Ah, very interesting.

IMO the anti global warming movement is more classified as a religion. What's interesting is the high % of anti global warming people in the over unity community. Very interesting, and one day I'll get to the bottom of this. I'd like to find out who these people are in general, are they associated with a club or group or company, etc. If there's an insider out there, please contact me. Even a clue would be greatly appreciated. Maybe it's the rush limbaugh society.  ;)

Paul

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Re: Global Warming
« Reply #61 on: December 03, 2009, 03:40:35 PM »
i think with the slightest bit of reserch it will show this is not only an earthly thing ..

i may show this is a cosmic event ...

it may be the reason for the myian calander .. ya think? lol 

so whats cause in it ...  ?  likely a number of things ... mainly ac grid in my opinion...

HENCE WHY IT IS PUBLIC COMMON KNOWALAGE .. now my work ..

the earth has lay lines and natural engery exchange points about its design ... many are disrupted ... from the grid ... so the grid wires emitt plh  power line harmonics  thease interfear with NATURE ...  and the sclar and many other feilds that are in constant exchange with earth keeping all sound and running ...

look at it like this ...  IT IS A FINLLY TUNED CLOCK .. and you blew a bearing ... and weekened many springs ....

silly humans ...

why is there a hotel ... in my star map ...  why is it at a location quite a ways from earth ...  why if i fail to fix earth will people be move to the temp hotel...? well i bet there is a GATE at the hotel ...

just incase ...  like i said ... 12 lower are closed .. maybe they remain closed ... to prevent furthur destruction from occouring ..


best solution ... GET AND START FIXING THE PROBLEMS NOW ... THERE IS STILL TIME .. 

ATT

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Re: Global Warming
« Reply #62 on: December 03, 2009, 06:23:56 PM »

Well I'll tell you what, gents, I went out and got the raw-data, did the plots and overlayed the graphs and it sure looks to me like there's a direct correlation between population growth, carbon emissions and global temperature rise starting around 150 years ago when we were in the throws of the Industrial Revolution.

Unless some real forward-thinking guy hatched this scheme way back in 1860, I'd say the data holds up to scrutiny, it's pretty hard to fake data that's been around for 150 years, too many have laid eyes on it for too long.

Starting with the latter part of the Industrial Revolution, the global temperature has risen as the population has grown and carbon emissions have increased. There is a direct correlation between all three components.

Data sources:

U.S. population data:
http://www.census.gov/population/www/censusdata/hiscendata.html
Global temp data:
http://www.cru.uea.ac.uk/cru/info/warming/gtc2008.csv
Global carbon emissions data:
http://cdiac.ornl.gov/ftp/ndp006/ndp006.pdf
http://www.eia.doe.gov/iea/carbon.html

The population and temperature plots were taken from year-interval data and reduced to decade-interval data then plotted from Excel.

The Carbon plot was overlayed from a year-interval IPCC graph, however, for any who'd like to take the time to plot this as a 10-year interval the complete datasets are contained in the two carbon-sources listed above.

For reference, the carbon-data begins in 1850 and ends in 2000.

innovation_station

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Re: Global Warming
« Reply #63 on: December 03, 2009, 06:47:31 PM »
i do not dispute this at all .. this is a huge problem ...  not cuz the people .. but there handlers ...  and there handlers greed!

and laque of love for life .. so this is where it is at ... 

hho is age old ...  tesla age old ...  advanced things many ages old ...  earth ... whoooooa    really old ... 

the cosmos ...  yikes ..  my brain aint that good yet ... lol

ist!

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Re: Global Warming
« Reply #64 on: December 03, 2009, 06:47:54 PM »
Hi ATT,

You need to add the solar activity plots over that period of time. The largest contributor to the temperature of the earth is the sun, by far. More than anything else.

The earth would absolutely NOT be warming up without the sun.

RR2

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Re: Global Warming
« Reply #65 on: December 03, 2009, 06:48:39 PM »
I wonder if you could also incorporrate the solar cycle in that graph.

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Re: Global Warming
« Reply #66 on: December 03, 2009, 06:56:18 PM »
i agree i have heated things up ...  you can plainly see that ... 

you need to adress this ... this is why i made the heat!

it is better me doing it on earth than out in space ... 

lets work to a solution ...  ok !

sun#5


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Re: Global Warming
« Reply #67 on: December 03, 2009, 07:03:17 PM »
Also, there is a lag between solar activity and temperature change on the earth. I am very restricted on where I can surf the net from work, so it will be a day or so before I can find a reference to this. I don't recall, off the top of my head, what the delay period is. I am thinking it was a couple of decades or so, I just don't have that information in front of me right now.

ATT

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Re: Global Warming
« Reply #68 on: December 03, 2009, 07:09:57 PM »
You need to add the solar activity plots over that period of time. The largest contributor to the temperature of the earth is the sun...

Excellent point, solar activity should, indeed, be an included component.

Tony

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Re: Global Warming
« Reply #69 on: December 03, 2009, 07:13:39 PM »
Also, there is a lag between solar activity and temperature change...will be a day or so before I can find a reference

It may be that ARRL has data and references, propagation/DX are significantly affected by solar cycles.

Tony

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« Reply #70 on: December 03, 2009, 07:14:03 PM »
Wait, I looked at the temperature change in your graph.

So you are saying over this period of time that the total change in the temperture of the earth was 1.1°C

Am I reading this right?  1.1 degrees Celsius?


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Re: Global Warming
« Reply #71 on: December 03, 2009, 07:25:21 PM »
When you are looking at the graph I fully understand you are looking at the slope of the line to show the acceleration in temperature changes within the last five decades or so. You also need to see how warm the sun was several decades before this and see if there is any correlation.

This is an important variable in the whole picture.

innovation_station

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Re: Global Warming
« Reply #72 on: December 03, 2009, 07:28:45 PM »
perhaps were aproching a harmonic....

maybe things ringggg

in your soul....

ist!

i told ya you wont be the same agin ...  may be this is how this creation is designed ...  maybe ... maybe not ... 

call it your ALARM CLOCK...

ATT

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Re: Global Warming
« Reply #73 on: December 03, 2009, 07:37:37 PM »
Am I reading this right?  1.1 degrees Celsius?

The temperature change over the period shown is 0.9 degrees Celsius. I overlayed two separate graphs and manually moved the 'anomaly' graduations from the left to the right side, this probably introduced an error.

What I'm looking for, however, is a correlation between the components, the 'slope', 'trend', 'influences' that show up over the time period in question.

I'll re-plot all data on the same graph in the next set rather than put separate graphs together as i did here.

Tony

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Re: Global Warming
« Reply #74 on: December 03, 2009, 08:29:25 PM »
Well I'll tell you what, gents, I went out and got the raw-data, did the plots and overlayed the graphs and it sure looks to me like there's a direct correlation between population growth, carbon emissions and global temperature rise starting around 150 years ago when we were in the throws of the Industrial Revolution.

Unless some real forward-thinking guy hatched this scheme way back in 1860, I'd say the data holds up to scrutiny, it's pretty hard to fake data that's been around for 150 years, too many have laid eyes on it for too long.

Starting with the latter part of the Industrial Revolution, the global temperature has risen as the population has grown and carbon emissions have increased. There is a direct correlation between all three components.

Data sources:

U.S. population data:
http://www.census.gov/population/www/censusdata/hiscendata.html
Global temp data:
http://www.cru.uea.ac.uk/cru/info/warming/gtc2008.csv
Global carbon emissions data:
http://cdiac.ornl.gov/ftp/ndp006/ndp006.pdf
http://www.eia.doe.gov/iea/carbon.html

The population and temperature plots were taken from year-interval data and reduced to decade-interval data then plotted from Excel.

The Carbon plot was overlayed from a year-interval IPCC graph, however, for any who'd like to take the time to plot this as a 10-year interval the complete datasets are contained in the two carbon-sources listed above.

For reference, the carbon-data begins in 1850 and ends in 2000.

Hi ATT,

I give you an A++. I agree with your results, and I would encourage everyone who question the numbers to do their own number crunching. Nobody would blame the skeptics to question your number crunching. If your results conflicted with what I believe, I would question it as well. In this case, I agree with your end result-- a warming trend.

I would also agree that humanity is not the only source to global warming, but the data that supports global warming is so overwhelming. The question is, how much is due to humanity, and all of the numbers I've seen say a *noticeable* amount is due to humanity.

Regardless folks, we can *not* afford to take a chance with this rare and beautiful planet filled with life!!! I commend everyone who puts forth at least some effort into being green. That is, use efficient light bulbs, try to minimize the number of lights that are on, minimize water usage, recycle, recycle, recycle.  :)

Regards,
Paul