Well-that was fun

Anyway,in regards to my question (that was meant for minnie--who did not answer),the below is of course correct,where the wave form is correct for the circuit and scope prob placements on that circuit.

Please remember--the question was specific for the attached schematic,and i only asked if the wave form was correct for that schematic.
It was only a simple question directed at minnie,due to his comment about me needing to learn more about basic induction. Minnie was also the only one that did not answer the question.

Brad

Brad, as I've demonstrated in a video a few pages back, and as we know, the total phase shift that can be measured depends somewhat on the frequency of the oscillation, because different core materials respond differently and there will always be stray inductances and capacitances caused by wiring. SO I had to increase the frequency of my test setup to get the perfect relationship shown below.

I'm using the same setup as in my previous demonstrations, using the random ferrite-cored transformer, except that I am testing two conditions.

First, the transformer secondary open, just connected to the scope probe, so I am testing the _voltage_ across the secondary, unloaded. This produces the first scopeshot below: The 90 degree phase relationship between the applied primary current (i.e. the magnetic field) and the secondary's induced _voltage_. And as I've shown, this nice 90 degree relationship holds across a wide range of applied frequency. (30Hz, 1 kHz, and in the shot below, around 700 Hz.)

In the second scopeshot below I have attached a 1.0 ohm precision non-inductive resistor directly across the transformer's secondary, and then the probe across the resistor. So the resistor is acting both as a load, and its own CSR. Now the scope probe is measuring the _current_ as a voltage drop across this resistor.

As I said, I had to increase the frequency to make the _current_ phase shift look so accurately 180 degrees. If I perform this same comparison test at 30 Hz, I "only" get a total phase shift of about 140 degrees for the _current_, while the _voltage_ phase shift remains at 90 degrees-- as I showed earlier.

Thanks TK for doing these test,and yes,frequency has a lot to do with phase angles.

But i would like to show you a way of changing the phase relationship between L1 and L2 without changing the frequency. This also has the effect that when the two current flows of L1 and L2 are bought into phase with each other,the power drawn by L1 becomes less,and the power delivered by L2 becomes more. We will do this by way of an oscillating PM,where although L1 is the source of energy for the oscillations of the PM,the PMs field will return a higher energy amount to L1 than L1 consumed to oscillate the PM in the first place.

If you are interested in building this simple setup,and working along with me to explain what is taking place within the DUT,then let me know,and i will post a video here- of the DUT,and the effects i am getting.

I have taken into account increasing inductance,reduction in impedance --most of what i can think of,but still the results do not add up to what is taking place--so need a good set of eyes looking at,and working on this.

Due to the fact that this is not a JT setup,i (we)will be shifting to the mechanical resonance thread after initial tests are carried out.


Brad

Thank you Chris, thank you Brad.

Bill

Brad:

Did you just see that insane argument between TK and EMJunkie?  Well you and I had a long version of the very same thing.  It's like being witness to an insane asylum reading what goes on on treads around here sometimes.  You go to hell for having the audacity to tell me I don't know my stuff after all the time I have been around here.  It's a shameful bald-faced lie.  You "flipped" and went to the dark side and severely compromised your integrity instead of just trying to argue your points rationally.  You are a total creeper.

You exist in a cocoon around here, and that includes being in a cocoon with respect to your language problems.  I will just repeat to you that if you were on a real electronics forum you would be sliced to pieces in no time.  No cocoon, you would be sliced to pieces after people saw you in action with your sometimes strange and nonsensical ideas.  When some little project you do goes south and people are explaining to you that what you are doing is not making sense, you always have your Plan B, and that is to simply withdraw without saying anything and let the thread die.  We all know your M.O.

Do your thing, dismantle another motor and look for "energy from magnets."  Make another pulse motor, build another whackadoo transformer that "conventional engineering doesn't understand."  I don't give a rat's ass.

MileHigh

Bill, are you seeing this:

   Chris Sykes
       hyiq.org

Get lost Chris.  I recounted the story from your thread about the question on the coil and you flat-out lied and said that it wasn't true.

Well I am going to try the Google search on this forum and you had better hope that the search engine sucks.

 author=MileHigh link=topic=8341.msg479987#msg479987 date=1460173550]


MileHigh

Did you just see that insane argument between TK and EMJunkie?

I did.
But that argument is not about the wave form that is associated to the schematic i posted.
That argument is more about terminology.

 

Well you and I had a long version of the very same thing.  It's like being witness to an insane asylum reading what goes on on treads around here sometimes.  You go to hell for having the audacity to tell me I don't know my stuff after all the time I have been around here.

All i did MH,was correct you on your incorrect statements in regards to resonant systems associated 
with ICE's--this is !knowing your stuff!

It's a shameful bald-faced lie.  You "flipped" and went to the dark side and severely compromised your integrity instead of just trying to argue your points rationally.  You are a total creeper.

MH
I think you will find that it was you that went to the !dark side! once i started correcting your mistakes. The fact is that you started calling me !wakaddo! and the likes as soon as i mentioned resonant systems within an ICE that increased efficiency's and power output.

You exist in a cocoon around here, and that includes being in a cocoon with respect to your language problems.

As i have said before MH-you seem to be the only one having trouble with my language,and how i word things.

I will just repeat to you that if you were on a real electronics forum you would be sliced to pieces in no time.

If we were on one of your !!real!! electronics forum's,we would not be discussing overunity.
But as we are on a forum that is dedicated in the search for something your !real! electronics forums would laugh at,then there is no real threat toward anyone that i may misspell some words,or be slightly out with how or where i place comers

No cocoon, you would be sliced to pieces after people saw you in action with your sometimes strange and nonsensical ideas.

Ideas like-Why not just use a J/FET,and have a high winding ration between the primary and secondary,where the(high turn) secondary would turn the J/FET off.

And then an EE guy(like your self) would reply with-->But we can't forget that the bench research done around here is bleeding and weeping edge, and conventional EE'rs are stuck in the past and only know what is in books.

Then the hobby bench researcher would say-Common sense say's that if there is not enough voltage to switch on a transistor or mosfet,then you use one that is already in an on state,and boost the voltage via a step up transformer to switch the fet off.

The EE guy that loves his book's,and knows his stuff would say-->Yeah well I would have to say that that doesn't make any sense at all.  But don't let that stop you since this whole thread is filled with nonsensical statements by you and just about nobody says anything about it.

A day later,after Mr EE made an unexpected discovery about a common electronic component,he had to return and say-->I made a mistake an assumed that a JFET required some Gate-Source voltage to be ON, when that is not the case
This was of course after he said--> this whole thread is filled with nonsensical statements by you

When some little project you do goes south and people are explaining to you that what you are doing is not making sense, you always have your Plan B, and that is to simply withdraw without saying anything and let the thread die.  We all know your M.O.

http://iaec.forumco.com/
There you go MH-here is my M.O
Years of my hard work-along with the other members,to build a great little forum from scratch. 100's of started and completed projects. Prize money donated out of my own pocket,and countless hours of organization for the pulse motor build off prizes--along with other members of the OU community.
That little forum grew faster than any other alternative energy forum on the net. You were a member there !U27!,before the owner of the forum had to kick you out for the very same behavior you have displayed on this thread,and many other threads on this forum-to the point where you have been banned from posting without prior approval--something that has never been placed on me.

I am in no way an EE,and in no way will i use terms that EE guys would find acceptable.
This is a forum for hobbyist,and for you to expect every member here to explain in terms that high end EE guys would use,is nothing more than a dream--it just will not happen.

I have been civil in my reply to you ,at the request of Bill,and also because it dose no one any good throwing insults all over the show. You may think i am posting insults in this reply,but i have posted nothing more than the truth of a small portion of the way you react to thing's i say,and only latter you find out i was correct. You are insulted more by the fact that i proved you wrong,and not by how i word thing's.

On another note--i would like to know-or could you tell us all what the magnetic force or field is actually made up of,or what it is,as to make an absolute determination that the PM dose not dissipate any power or energy at all,you would have to know exactly what the magnetic field comprises of in order to make that determination.


Brad.

Do your thing, dismantle another motor and look for "energy from magnets."  Make another pulse motor, build another whackadoo transformer that "conventional engineering doesn't understand."  I don't give a rat's ass.

Yes-i will continue on with my whackadoo experiments,and post things i find !odd!,or do not understand.
One such experiment is about to make it's way here--feel free to post your input or thoughts,if you wish.